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premierstone · 08-02-2012 5:14pm

Huntey wrote: »

I am, are you missing the various posts where I have said his post is misleading?

You must also have missed the part where I said I have no interest in delving further into the topic of knowing who or how.

You should be the last person requesting info aswell considering the garbage you posted about HF going to be ruled out for the season from a reliable source.

I'm back to the formbook anyway, ante-posts bets to be placed.

So you think its unreasonable for people to request you to back up your assertions, public forums maybe aren't for you.

Yes my info on HF was incorrect and I hold my hand up on that all I can say is I trusted the source at the time and had no reason to doubt him, obviously I wouldnt repeat any other info I may receive from him.

But I wont go on like a martyr of some sort, ''oh your wrong cos I know something you dont, but Im not going to tell you what the something is'' LOL I thought midterm wasnt untill next week

Huntey · 08-02-2012 5:20pm

premierstone wrote: »

So you think its unreasonable for people to request you to back up your assertions, public forums maybe aren't for you.

Yes my info on HF was incorrect and I hold my hand up on that all I can say is I trusted the source at the time and had no reason to doubt him, obviously I wouldnt repeat any other info I may receive from him.

But I wont go on like a martyr of some sort, ''oh your wrong cos I know something you dont, but Im not going to tell you what the something is'' LOL I thought midterm wasnt untill next week

I never said it was unreasonable, just that I have no interest delving further into the matter.

You are totally inept of grasping anything I have said and have resulted to childish remarks to bait me into discussing the issue further. I have no interest in discussing it further, I have posted what I feel is relevant and whatever your views are on that do not bother me, so probably best to keep them to yourself.

ste2010 · 08-02-2012 5:26pm

Huntey wrote: »

I am not being negative, I just felt that it would be a bastard thing to do if I didn't let people, and yourself, know that your information about the horses prospects and preparation is misleading.

I have no interest delving further into the matter of knowing who or how, and it is no skin off my back should you or others not believe what I am saying.

So you obviously know more about Minsk but your refraining from giving the details I would assume. I will take this on board and interrogate my source violently

. For the record I don't consider a source a randomer who knocks around a bookies. My source is good and has ties and family who works in horse racing.

Either way-I'll confirm to everyone as courtesy and a lesson will be learned either way

For the moment I would take your side huntey as you wouldn't put up an argument like that if u didn't know some more recent information

premierstone · 08-02-2012 6:10pm

Just did a bit of digging myself re. Minsk and the plan is for him to debut on Feb 25 in Fiaryhouse, according to Hughes.

mr.jingle · 08-02-2012 6:13pm

Regarding Minsk

How can a horse get into a race such as the Triumph without having 1 single run over hurdles?

Surely they need to have one run to get entered into a race of that magnitude as i'm sure if he doesn't live up to expectations then there was a chance another horse had a chance of getting into the race

If he does run and wins it will be some training performance by Hughes but personally without seeing him jump a hurdle i wouldn't go near him in a race with some horses with good hurdles form

ste2010 · 08-02-2012 6:50pm

premierstone wrote: »

Just did a bit of digging myself re. Minsk and the plan is for him to debut on Feb 25 in Fiaryhouse, according to Hughes.

Cheer PS. Before I lynch my source I'll give him a chance to explain..he is reliable as they come. Whatever I get I'll share it's better to have info to prove for or against than not to have any at all IMO I will post pictures of his defacement if he is acting The clown!

Huntey · 08-02-2012 8:00pm

ste2010 wrote: »

it's better to have info to prove for or against than not to have any at all IMO

It's probably better to not mention anything unless you are 100% certain so you don't end up looking foolish IMO.

hucklebuck · 08-02-2012 8:28pm

premierstone wrote: »

Just did a bit of digging myself re. Minsk and the plan is for him to debut on Feb 25 in Fiaryhouse, according to Hughes.

The first way I want to respond to you sir is, cough.. cough... "SAMAIN"

Ahem, it was around then that Zarkandar ran his first race of the season around then in his prep for the Triumph.

I believe you Ste, I am having a few bob ew.

Huntey · 08-02-2012 8:31pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

I believe you Ste, I am having a few bob ew.

Ste's source has already proven to be misleading and you still think this "info" is credible?

By all means have your few bob e/w, but don't do it based on the above gurgle.

ste2010 · 08-02-2012 8:31pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

premierstone wrote: »

Just did a bit of digging myself re. Minsk and the plan is for him to debut on Feb 25 in Fiaryhouse, according to Hughes.

The first way I want to respond to you sir is, cough.. cough... "SAMAIN"

Ahem, it was around then that Zarkandar ran his first race of the season around then in his prep for the Triumph.

I believe you Ste, I am having a few bob ew.

Wait for the confirmation...he's calling me in 5

ste2010 · 08-02-2012 8:50pm

Huntey wrote: »

hucklebuck wrote: »

I believe you Ste, I am having a few bob ew.

Ste's source has already proven to be misleading and you still think this "info" is credible?

By all means have your few bob e/w, but don't do it based on the above gurgle.

Huntey - first of all my questions to my source last night clarified 100% to any normal person and luckily for all of us if you didn't have knowledge of Yoda there would be nothing to suggest otherwise. I would never consider posting anything I wasn't sure of and I won't be posting anything I get from this lad again even though he has given me positives in the past and has good connections.
HOWEVER thanks to you, I poked more holes in his comments and he is talking absolute sh*te about going straight to chelt

I would appreciate if you weren't so condescending in your typing tone

Thanks for prompting the questions, I was the first sucker to place money on the back of it.

HANDS UP - LESSON LEARNED - APOLOGIES LADS IF I SET ANYONE ON THe WRONG TRACK - either way let's hope he wins (or hisabaat who I have also backed @ 33-1)

Hulk Hands · 08-02-2012 9:02pm

Going down this road after being stung slightly before. Sprinter Sacre to win on Saturday and win the Arkle, 5/1

Huntey · 08-02-2012 9:06pm

Contrary to popular belief I wasn't trying to be a dickhead, just that your sources info was misleading and I didn't want you or anyone else to be placing money on something that was different from what the yard were saying themselves.

Huntey wrote: »

I just felt that it would be a bastard thing to do if I didn't let people, and yourself, know that your information about the horses prospects and preparation is misleading.

hucklebuck · 08-02-2012 9:37pm

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qzy · 08-02-2012 9:45pm

From Boylesports....

"The first of the Grade 1s to be staged is the opener on the card (1:05pm), the Spring Juvenile Hurdle. A total of 28 horses have stood their ground at the latest declaration stage, 21 of them being previous winners.
One horse that will miss the race, though, is the Dessie Hughes-trained Minsk, who will instead head to Fairyhouse on 15 February. He won last season’s Irish Cesarewitch from a mark of 93 and is rated as an exciting hurdling prospect"

Huntey · 08-02-2012 10:08pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

How has he been proven to be misleading?

The source suggested that the intention of the yard was for the horse not to have a prep race, that has proven to be incorrect without me even stating my own knowledge.

hucklebuck wrote: »

Would you have said the same if Paul Nicholls said the plan for Zarkandar was the Triumph before he jumped a hurdle in a race?

If Paul Nicholls had told me Zarkandar was going to have one race prior to the Triumph and somebody started telling everyone he was going straight to the Triumph, well then yes I would have said that info was misleading.

hucklebuck wrote: »

Can't help but notice that you always put the burden of proof on the other person you disagree with.

This may be the case but observations mean little without examples, can you provide some?

Furthermore, you are failing to read my posts correctly. I never put any burden of proof on Ste. I simply stated his source had supplied misleading information, I did not request that he state who his source was.

hucklebuck wrote: »

How do you know he won't be going for the Triumph

Again, you are failing to read my posts correctly. I never suggested he wasn't going for the Triumph.

Ste stated that his source informed him that "Minsk was a definite for the Triumph".
I am not sure whether he means (1) he is a sure thing to win or a (2) sure thing to participate. If it was the former (1) than that would have been incorrect, the latter (2) would have been correct to my knowledge as of two weeks ago.

hucklebuck wrote: »

and where did you hear it?

I have already stated numerous times that I have no interest in discussing the who or how I am aware that the info was misleading. Just as I have no interest in finding out how Ste's source is and have never requested so. I have also stated that I do not care if people do not believe me (although I have since been proven correct), it bears no relevance on me and I will not be baited into discussing the issue further.

If you are going to respond can you please read my posts correctly, I have established three separate instances where you have questioned something that has already been stated in my previous posts. Cheers

hucklebuck · 08-02-2012 10:40pm

Huntey wrote: »

The source suggested that the intention of the yard was for the horse not to have a prep race, that has proven to be incorrect without me even stating my own knowledge.

That is an assumption, just because a horse holds and entry in a race doesn't mean he will run, that is why I questioned it.

Huntey wrote: »

If Paul Nicholls had told me Zarkandar was going to have one race prior to the Triumph and somebody started telling everyone he was going straight to the Triumph, well then yes I would have said that info was misleading.

If you read my post I asked "Would you have said the same if Paul Nicholls said the plan for Zarkandar was the Triumph before he jumped a hurdle in a race?" there was no mention of a prep run.

Huntey wrote: »

This may be the case but observations mean little without examples, can you provide some?

Lol, so the burden of proof is on me

Not off the top of my head but I will return if I see where you did it.

Huntey wrote: »

Furthermore, you are failing to read my posts correctly. I never put any burden of proof on Ste. I simply stated his source had supplied misleading information, I did not request that he state who his source was.

The inference was his source was clueless or an idiot which resulted in Ste checking this. A burden of proof generally lie with the person making the claims so in this case Ste.

Huntey wrote: »

Again, you are failing to read my posts correctly. I never suggested he wasn't going for the Triumph.

Ste stated that his source informed him that "Minsk was a definite for the Triumph".
I am not sure whether he means (1) he is a sure thing to win or a (2) sure thing to participate. If it was the former (1) than that would have been incorrect, the latter (2) would have been correct to my knowledge as of two weeks ago.

I took this as he is running in the Triumph and concluded that you were saying you knew he wouldn't. I accept that was probably a miscalculation on my behalf.

Huntey wrote: »

I have already stated numerous times that I have no interest in discussing the who or how I am aware that the info was misleading. Just as I have no interest in finding out how Ste's source is and have never requested so. I have also stated that I do not care if people do not believe me (although I have since been proven correct), it bears no relevance on me and I will not be baited into discussing the issue further.

If you are going to respond can you please read my posts correctly, I have established three separate instances where you have questioned something that has already been stated in my previous posts. Cheers

That's fine and your perogative but I don't think saying a guy in the yard knows a mate of mine and says he won't be running there or whatever would get back as you could be anyone that knows anyone in the yard.

I am well able to read thanks very much, perhaps we can all read a but better.

I deleted my post after I saw Ste's confirmation that his mate was waffling and responded as you took the time to reply.

ste2010 · 08-02-2012 11:04pm

In fairness lads this is my mates fault and my fault for posting. He said last night he was definitely going for the triumph. I asked without even jumping a hurdle your confirming that he's going..he said yes..my response was how.. if he hasn't even jumped a hurdle (inferring what we All thought, what happens if his hurdle debit was a disaster etc..) I then asked so what your saying is he's going straight to chelt and he said yes..I don't know whether he was under pressure or what and answered stupidly..but that's what happened..I thought questionIng was enough to confirm (as would both of u if he was completely genuine). Huntey raised his doubts and rightly so whatever way it was communicated. So I waterboarded him and brought out the gimp and got the truth..
I'm sure he's going all going well on his debut. Anyway looking forward to the weekend seeing how ut de sivola gets on if he races
Either way I think we are hijacking the forum for antepost.

Huntey · 08-02-2012 11:15pm

I'll get things back on topic,

Minsk for the Triumph Hurdle at 10's.

hucklebuck · 08-02-2012 11:23pm

ste2010 wrote: »

I poked more holes in his

ste2010 wrote: »

gimp

ste2010 wrote: »

I waterboarded him

ste2010 wrote: »

last night he was definitely going for the triumph

ste2010 wrote: »

I then asked so what your saying is he's going straight

ste2010 wrote: »

and he said yes

ste2010 wrote: »

Either way I think we are hijacking

ste2010 wrote: »

the gimp

ste2010 wrote: »

and

ste2010 wrote: »

going straight to chelt

Very disturbing and off topic but at least you are going to Cheltenham

ste2010 · 08-02-2012 11:29pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

ste2010 wrote: »

I poked more holes in his

ste2010 wrote: »

gimp

ste2010 wrote: »

I waterboarded him

ste2010 wrote: »

last night he was definitely going for the triumph

ste2010 wrote: »

I then asked so what your saying is he's going straight

ste2010 wrote: »

and he said yes

ste2010 wrote: »

Either way I think we are hijacking

ste2010 wrote: »

the gimp

ste2010 wrote: »

and

ste2010 wrote: »

going straight to chelt

Very disturbing and off topic but at least you are going to Cheltenham

I am crying with tears of laughter here

Colonel Sanders · 11-02-2012 3:43pm

Barry Connell on ATR

Minsk hopefully to run at Fairyhouse & he'd need to win very well to consider the Triumph

sting60 · 12-02-2012 1:22am

DO NOT ,have any bet until the day.

Huntey · 12-02-2012 1:34am

sting60 wrote: »

DO NOT ,have any bet until the day.U are a fool like everyone else bar the bookies.Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease wait.Im not so sure about ,the stayers,Champion hurdle,Gold Cup, all three favs will not win.I think ,layed Big Bucks wont win to 7,000e.Hurricane fly lay 4,570e, Long Run lay 8,5750e .I think my nap is Big Bucks not to to win [.GET ON]

Good God. I hope you are using monopoly money.

hucklebuck · 12-02-2012 1:45am

sting60 wrote: »

DO NOT ,have any bet until the day.U are a fool like everyone else bar the bookies.Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease wait.Im not so sure about ,the stayers,Champion hurdle,Gold Cup, all three favs will not win.I think ,layed Big Bucks wont win to 7,000e.Hurricane fly lay 4,570e, Long Run lay 8,5750e .I think my nap is Big Bucks not to to win [.GET ON]

Gadzooks man, you need to re-read the instructions I left:

Unblock the sink with the drain fluid
Drink the beer

Guess I am going to have to get the plunger out when I get home ;-)

sting60 · 12-02-2012 12:15pm

Huntey wrote: »

Good God. I hope you are using monopoly money.

Well gargled frinds over for the rugby last night wrote this post,just saw it this morning.

Colonel Sanders · 12-02-2012 1:18pm

Crus looks set for RSA as owner knocks Gold bid

knockostia · 12-02-2012 2:30pm

I'd get on Darroun quick enough for triumph, represents excellent value, line been drawn in form, mullins best prospect, don't think the novice english hurdlers are that good, 20-1 still with ladbrokes, also tipped to me by a man in the know when still available @ 100-1 on betfair

Huntey · 12-02-2012 2:39pm

You would have to pay me to back an Irish horse in the Triumph.

knockostia · 12-02-2012 2:42pm

Why is that Hunty?

Huntey · 12-02-2012 2:44pm

Because they never win. The form of Irish trained horses in the Triumph is pretty brutal.

Huntey · 12-02-2012 2:49pm

Your 100-1 is a lovely bet to lay though.

UrbanSea · 12-02-2012 2:56pm

Huntey wrote: »

Because they never win. The form of Irish trained horses in the Triumph is pretty brutal.

This is true. But if a horse is good enough to win it should, it doesn't matter if it is Irish or not

Huntey · 12-02-2012 3:41pm

UrbanSea wrote: »

This is true. But if a horse is good enough to win it should, it doesn't matter if it is Irish or not

I wouldn't dispute that, but I would be slightly hesitant about backing one from over here unless I felt it was a bit special.

Colonel Sanders · 12-02-2012 4:17pm

I backed Countrywide Flame each way at 6/1 as I was very unsure of Ut De Sivola's form (and the others by association)

I won't be touching any Irish horse in the Triumph, it's historically a race we've struggled in also

Colonel Sanders · 12-02-2012 5:10pm

More on Minsk:

Minsk set for jumping bow

Minsk is on course to make his eagerly awaited National Hunt debut at Fairyhouse later this month.

The Dalakhani gelding is a 10-1 shot for the JCB Triumph Hurdle at Cheltenham next month, mainly down to his form on the Flat. He won his last three starts for trainer John Oxx, culminating in the Irish Cesarewitch, where he romped home by five and a half lengths.

Owner Barry Connell sent Minsk to Dessie Hughes to be trained for a hurdling campaign, with the Triumph the target should all go well, and it looks like the Winning Fair Juvenile Hurdle at Fairyhouse on February 25 will be his only public outing before Cheltenham.

"He's good. He's going to Fairyhouse for the Winning Fair on the 25th," said Hughes.

"That will probably be his only run before Cheltenham. It might be enough. It just depends on the company he faces and how he runs.

"I expect him to be in top form for it. He likes the hurdles, but we'll see how he takes to them when he runs."

hucklebuck · 12-02-2012 11:51pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

Anyone else think Hisaabaat is a huge price for the Triumph @ 55 on Betfair?

I hope some of you got stuck in, now in to 20. He seemed to travel very nicely today and hopefully quicker ground will be the making of him.

ste2010 · 13-02-2012 12:05am

hucklebuck wrote: »

hucklebuck wrote: »

Anyone else think Hisaabaat is a huge price for the Triumph @ 55 on Betfair?

I hope some of you got stuck in, now in to 20. He seemed to travel very nicely today and hopefully quicker ground will be the making of him.

Got on at 33's a while back :-) wrote him off since to be honest and had a sneaky smirk on my face today!
Still not to sure about him winning in chelt though. Hopefully...better ground...still think sous les cieux will do well at chelt

kiers47 · 13-02-2012 12:06am

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/pique-sous-cheltenham-festival-unaccompanied-to-skip-festival-says-weld/987009/

Unaccompanied out of Champion Hurdle to concentrate on a flat campaign. What you guys think?

ste2010 · 13-02-2012 12:08am

sting60 wrote: »

Huntey wrote: »

Good God. I hope you are using monopoly money.

Well gargled frinds over for the rugby last night wrote this post,just saw it this morning.

Gargled as in your still laying the 3 of them but you were joking about the amounts?

UrbanSea · 13-02-2012 12:47am

kiers47 wrote: »

http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-racing/pique-sous-cheltenham-festival-unaccompanied-to-skip-festival-says-weld/987009/

Unaccompanied out of Champion Hurdle to concentrate on a flat campaign. What you guys think?

Not really surprised

Huntey · 13-02-2012 12:51am

Smart cookie is Weld.

She wasn't going to win the CH and wouldn't beat Quevega in the DN. Only four and if they aren't going the broodmare route than no rush in sending her over this year.

hucklebuck · 13-02-2012 7:06pm

hucklebuck wrote: »

Can't help but notice that you always put the burden of proof on the other person you disagree with.

Huntey wrote: »

This may be the case but observations mean little without examples, can you provide some?

hucklebuck wrote: »

Lol, so the burden of proof is on me
Not off the top of my head but I will return if I see where you did it.

In the "Flappin aka horse and pony racing query" thread you commented that ft9's jockey must be scraping the bottom of the barrell, he said not at all and you asked him who the jockey is.

You have stated

Huntey wrote: »

I have already stated numerous times that I have no interest in discussing the who or how I am aware that the info was misleading.

I just think it's funny that you are not willing to say but try to find out who others are talking about.

Don't worry you can ask away I won't repost on the matter just an example when I saw it.

hucklebuck · 13-02-2012 7:08pm

ste2010 wrote: »

Got on at 33's a while back :-) wrote him off since to be honest and had a sneaky smirk on my face today!
Still not to sure about him winning in chelt though. Hopefully...better ground...still think sous les cieux will do well at chelt

I layed him at 21, so now I have my stake back and a free bet @ 34.

hucklebuck · 13-02-2012 7:13pm

sting60 wrote: »

Well gargled frinds over for the rugby last night wrote this post,just saw it this morning.

You must have been trashed, the rugby was postponed

Colonel Sanders · 13-02-2012 7:30pm

Just thinking, this thread is very cluttered

Maybe an idea to start a few threads
- one for the championship races
- one for the novices
- one for the handicaps

Huntey · 13-02-2012 7:58pm

Do you know what putting the burden of proof on somebody means? I asked ft9 a question, not to put the burden of proof on him to show that the jockey wasn't scrapping the barrel but because I was just interested in knowing who would travel without expenses.

hucklebuck wrote: »

I just think it's funny that you are not willing to say but try to find out who others are talking about.

Ft9 declined to say on thread which I respected and did not question, I declined to mention how I knew the info on thread and you and others questioned me! Can you not see the irony in suggesting I am the one who asks for proof?

Me stating that he must have been scrapping the barrel was just an assumption, I never requested anybody to prove me wrong and thus didn't put any burden of proof on anybody.

hucklebuck wrote: »

Don't worry you can ask away I won't repost on the matter just an example when I saw it.

I certainly am not worried, but your example is completely flawed anyway as I have just proven.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Now before we go off in another roundabout I want to finally clarify my position on that incident and put it to bed.

Ste posted information that he said was from a source. The information stated that Minsk was going to the Triumph without a prep and that he was a definite for the Triumph (meaning he was going to run in it as Ste later clarified)

I told Ste his source hadn't a clue and was misleading. I believe a direct quote would be me suggesting that he was incorrect about the horses "preparation and prospects."

I continuously stated that I had no interest in getting involved in discussing how I knew it was misleading, I just stated that it was misleading and people could take it how they wanted.

After Ste's source was proven to be incorrect about the horses preparation, you posted saying you believed his source. I highlighted to you that his info was already proven false, which you seemed to ignore and question where I got this info. Seemingly, me previously stating I had no interest in discussing that issue hadn't sank in with you yet.

Yesterday, Barry O'Connell said that Minsk is not a definite to run in the Triumph.

So Ste's source was completely wrong in both departments when he said the horse was a definite for the Triumph and would go there without a prep run.

I was 100% correct when I said his information was misleading. It does not matter where it came from, I was giving people a heads up who may have followed blindly relying on this info. Would you rather I said nothing and people may be following that false info blindly?

I don't have time to be discussing needless arguments because you want to question me, I told people the info was false which was correct. I do not under any circumstances need to provide proof of the who and how I knew it was incorrect. I was trying to do yourself, Ste and others a favour. I do not need the aggravation which you are persisting with.

Slattsy · 13-02-2012 7:59pm

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Just thinking, this thread is very cluttered

Maybe an idea to start a few threads
- one for the championship races
- one for the novices
- one for the handicaps

Yeah i totally agree, i'd start one or two now myself if i wasnt too busy eating a thai red curry and having a beer !!

Maybe a thread for each grade One race going forward, or is that too many ? possibly just the novice Grade One's then ?

Slattsy · 13-02-2012 8:11pm

Huntey wrote: »

Do you know what putting the burden of proof on somebody means? I asked ft9 a question, not to put the burden of proof on him to show that the jockey wasn't scrapping the barrel but because I was just interested in knowing who would travel without expenses.

Ft9 declined to say on thread which I respected and did not question, I declined to mention how I knew the info on thread and you and others questioned me! Can you not see the irony in suggesting I am the one who asks for proof?

Me stating that he must have been scrapping the barrel was just an assumption, I never requested anybody to prove me wrong and thus didn't put any burden of proof on anybody.

I certainly am not worried, but your example is completely flawed anyway as I have just proven.
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Now before we go off in another roundabout I want to finally clarify my position on that incident and put it to bed.

Ste posted information that he said was from a source. The information stated that Minsk was going to the Triumph without a prep and that he was a definite for the Triumph (meaning he was going to run in it as Ste later clarified)

I told Ste his source hadn't a clue and was misleading. I believe a direct quote would be me suggesting that he was incorrect about the horses "preparation and prospects."

I continuously stated that I had no interest in getting involved in discussing how I knew it was misleading, I just stated that it was misleading and people could take it how they wanted.

After Ste's source was proven to be incorrect about the horses preparation, you posted saying you believed his source. I highlighted to you that his info was already proven false, which you seemed to ignore and question where I got this info. Seemingly, me previously stating I had no interest in discussing that issue hadn't sank in with you yet.

Yesterday, Barry O'Connell said that Minsk is not a definite to run in the Triumph.

So Ste's source was completely wrong in both departments when he said the horse was a definite for the Triumph and would go there without a prep run.

I was 100% correct when I said his information was misleading. It does not matter where it came from, I was giving people a heads up who may have followed blindly relying on this info. Would you rather I said nothing and people may be following that false info blindly?

I don't have time to be discussing needless arguments because you want to question me, I told people the info was false which was correct. I do not under any circumstances need to provide proof of the who and how I knew it was incorrect. I was trying to do yourself, Ste and others a favour. I do not need the aggravation which you are persisting with.

Have to agree with Huntey here. Was following the flow of that topic with interest and Huntey called it correctly.

Im not saying Ste was trying to cod a few people with his posts on Minsk, but it has made him look a bit silly, even if his 'source' was leading him up the garden path, it comes back upon who posted it up.

kiers47 · 13-02-2012 8:28pm

On this Minsk topic. Even if ste was right and he is going straight to cheltenham (which isnt the case). You'd have to be absolutely bonkers to back a horse that was never seen jumping a hurdle in public at 10/1 in the triumh. I dont care who trains him or how good he was on the flat its the wrong price. He is at best a lay until more is publicly known!!

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