CAGE CONTENDER XIII : BELFAST : 28 APRIL 2012

Spideog Rua · 14-04-2012 4:16pm

roro1neil0 wrote: »

this is a mismatch based on paper, a huge one. but it happens in mma fairly regularly at different levels (brock lesnar etc.).

the proof will be in the pudding, the good thing about mma, if it is a mismatch, you won't get a guy getting the ****e kicked out of him for 10 rounds, it will be over in the first minute.

having said that i don't beleive in awarding foolhardiness but i understand from the grape vine that jorge couldn't get anyone else to fight and greg probably doens't have too many volunteers either.

it's a sporting mismatch but i don't think there is any real 'danger'

Good post.

nino1 · 14-04-2012 4:19pm

Plastikman_eire wrote: »

Personally I think Cage Contender should be ashamed of themselves for putting a guy who has lost a quarter of his fights by submission, in the cage with a BJJ black belt. Hang your head John Ferguson.

its not a bjj fight, its an mma fight between probably irelands most experienced fighter against probably the least experienced mma fighter in ireland.

jorge is a big boy and decided that he wanted to take the fight but just because he is a bjj black belt doesnt mean its not a mismatch.

most pure bjj practioners (and jorge much prefers gi to no-gi) take around 2 years training mma before they take their first fight and then get matched to a similiarly experienced opponent.

John Ferguson · 14-04-2012 4:22pm

nino1 wrote: »

just out of curiosity how much info do the promotion look for when matching fighters such as length of time training etc?

We try to gather as much information as possible from the beginning. Things like MMA record, total combat experience, length on time training, level of expertise in their own disciplines, walk about weigh, size of last minute weight cut, length of time training, who they have been trained by, details of martial arts success and at what level, age, height and anything else we can gather.

It's only when we have assessed all details and are happy that a potential match balances we move to giving both sets of coaches/manager all of the details and let them look at the oponnents etc. Then coaches discuss with the fighters then come back to us with a possible yes. The last step then is to discuss the financials, ticketing and so on. When everyone is in agreement we have a match.

cowzerp · 14-04-2012 4:24pm

nino1 wrote: »

its not a bjj fight, its an mma fight between probably irelands most experienced fighter against probably the least experienced mma fighter in ireland.

jorge is a big boy and decided that he wanted to take the fight but just because he is a bjj black belt doesnt mean its not a mismatch.

most pure bjj practioners (and jorge much prefers gi to no-gi) take around 2 years training mma before they take their first fight and then get matched to a similiarly experienced opponent.

Agreed, but Tony in Lucan know's his guy and feels he has a shot, it's worth noting that getting Jorge a match would be extremely hard and mainly only experienced lads would be willing to get in with him anyway.

I know who I think will win but been high level at BJJ gives Jorge a chance.

Also it is not like they don't know what they are getting into and are arriving to a mismatch on the day that was a set up.

John Ferguson · 14-04-2012 4:30pm

Plastikman_eire wrote: »

Personally I think Cage Contender should be ashamed of themselves for putting a guy who has lost a quarter of his fights by submission, in the cage with a BJJ black belt. Hang your head John Ferguson.

10 of his 18 losses have been by submission. And this was a sizeable issue with the Loughran camp when it was offered to them. They took alot longer to take the fight than Lucan did.

Plastikman_eire · 14-04-2012 4:34pm

John Ferguson wrote: »

10 of his 18 losses have been by submission.

Yeah, but slightly over a 1/4 of his total fights.

I think this will be more competitive than people expect.

roro1neil0 · 14-04-2012 4:39pm

John Ferguson wrote: »

10 of his 18 losses have been by submission. And this was a sizeable issue with the Loughran camp when it was offered to them. They took alot longer to take the fight than Lucan did.

if i was greg's manager i wouldn't take the fight either. he touts himself (and rightfully so imo) as Ireland's best fighter but if he loses to a 0-0 brazilian he will look **** and will find it harder to get big fights internationally. if he wins he gets a win over a bjj blackbelt who is 0-0, a nice feather for the cap but not worth the risk.

he's probably itching for a scrap and doesn't want the training and dieting to be for nothing so he is taking what ever fight he can.

John Ferguson · 15-04-2012 11:47pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3uyK7wJSoI

wingnut4 · 16-04-2012 3:45pm

Correct me if im wrong, i may be, but was it not the last cage contenders or the one before where Norman Park took apart a BJJ Blackbelt from Scotland?

Niall0 · 16-04-2012 4:40pm

wingnut4 wrote: »

Correct me if im wrong, i may be, but was it not the last cage contenders or the one before where Norman Park took apart a BJJ Blackbelt from Scotland?

That was Cage Contender 11 and it was Marcos Nardini who was 2-1 i think when he fought Norman Parke.

John Ferguson · 16-04-2012 4:45pm

wingnut4 wrote: »

Correct me if im wrong, i may be, but was it not the last cage contenders or the one before where Norman Park took apart a BJJ Blackbelt from Scotland?

Norman had a game plan that he stuck to and it worked well. He kept it standing for the 3 and refused to go to ground. If it had got to ground it may have been a different out come.

Barry.Oglesby · 16-04-2012 4:50pm

Pretty much everyone would look like a novice when their record is placed alongside Greg's. He is rightly revered as one of Ireland's best ever, and was a trailblazer for the sport.

However look just a couple of fights up the card and you'll see an ADCC champ, UFC vet, Pride vet taking on Rod Moore, and no one is shouting mismatch.

Why is this?

darced · 16-04-2012 7:30pm

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Kieran81 · 16-04-2012 10:45pm

darced wrote: »

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same logic could be applied for someone who's signed up to fight a ufc vet , a former adcc absolute champ and reigning divisional champ , they might have been in with plenty before, but none can compare to what lister can bring .

i'm still very interested to see how both fights unfold

nino1 · 16-04-2012 10:54pm

darced wrote: »

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i agree. I think both are mismatches but it is more dangerous for Jorge because its his first ever mma fight.

Barry.Oglesby · 16-04-2012 11:17pm

Look personally my money's on Loughran and the form would always suggest that. My point is that Jorge Santos is a grown up, Lucan MMA are grown ups, they've had plenty of fighters in shows at high levels in Irish MMA, so I don't see why people have suddenly got the hump about this match. From what I hear they both had trouble getting matched up.

MMA Lucan · 16-04-2012 11:49pm

There's no doubt it's a very tough debut for Jorge, & it is true that finding a match up for him at any level was very tough. But don't judge him based on what you think you know about him. No Lucan fighter enters the octagon unprepared, & you have to consider the calibre of guys Jorge has been working with on a daily basis for the past few months -

Henry Fadipe (Pro mma & Pro K1)
Blaine O'Driscoll (Cage Contender semi pro of the year, ISKA G'n'P champ)
Aslan Bisayev (Pro K1, Pro Muay Thai)
Fabio Viti (Pro K1, 2/1 mma)
Anzor Atsaev (3/0 mma, All Ireland boxing Semi finalist)
Islam Bisayev (Pro Muay Thai)

That's just to name a few. Jorge has a great team of guys to work with.

I'm not going to get into a debate, & regardless people will voice they're opinions, but there will be no more replies from our side. But if we felt Jorge wasn't ready, he wouldn't be entering the octagon.

John Ferguson is a true professional who cares about the sport, & would not put his own reputation on the line for the sake of a fight. He knows our fighters & how well prepared they are when they attend Cage Contender. Thanks

John Ferguson · 17-04-2012 8:41pm

Ahead of Cage Contender XIII in association with FIGHTSHOP.com we have gathered some quotes from interested parties and fans

Great fighters, great entertainment, great show! - Stephen McCourt, Fighter & fan

Being a big fan of MMA, I'm looking forward to attending Ireland's biggest MMA event, CCXIII this month! Fantastic fight card lined up, this event is not to me missed! Good luck to the boys from FAI! - Patrice O'Hagan, Leisure Industry Academy

Its Go Time for Cage Contender! I cant wait for CCXIII! This card is one of the best ever, and the fans in Belfast are second to none! Don't miss this one boys and girls its will be an amazing night! - Bret "Holywood" Freeman

It doesn't matter how good the last one was , because Cage Contender put on a better show each time. Can't wait to interview Dean Lister! - Andrew McGahon, Journalist & Fan

Cage Contender are forever improving as an MMA promotion and their cards get better with every show. CCXIII is no exception; not only do we get to see another three rounds of action between Wain and Robinson, but we also get to see submission wizard Dean Lister fight on Irish soil. Unmissable! - Mike Clarke, The Fight Lounge

Belfast loves a fight... And this card is full of potential barn burners. It won't disappoint. As an MMA fan, I can't wait! Watch out for The Hooligan, JMS and Levi Kehoe! - Cathal Pendred, Cage Contender Welterweight Champion

Sbg's fighters are ready to put on a great show for Irelands no.1 promotion - John Kavanagh

wingnut4 · 18-04-2012 8:16am

This actually looks like the best card to date. There will be some cracking fights. Greg Loughran fight will be interesting, never underestimate any fighter, thats what i say!

mmmm...not sure · 22-04-2012 1:05pm

Whats the final fight card for this? Has Karl Moore got a fight what a talent he is hope to see him in action at this

John Ferguson · 22-04-2012 1:11pm

mmmm...not sure wrote: »

Whats the final fight card for this? Has Karl Moore got a fight what a talent he is hope to see him in action at this

Will be announcing Karl's match up tomorrow. The pro card on the CC website (LINK) is always the first place that we update.

Karl is a great talent and in my view for what it's worth could have a great future in MMA!

John Ferguson · 22-04-2012 7:31pm

The Boogeyman getting ready at Functional Patterns ahead of meeting Rodney this coming weekend

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ThEHF3TH8k

John Ferguson · 23-04-2012 12:37am

Some clips from the CCXIII press event!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6sAdSOL26g

Barry.Oglesby · 23-04-2012 3:54pm

John Ferguson wrote: »

Some clips from the CCXIII press event!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6sAdSOL26g

Awesome!

The guys look in great shape. I hope they prove my predictions wrong!

roro1neil0 · 23-04-2012 7:35pm

if that's the extent of lister's training, doing some drill with a jkd fitness instructor maybe rod has a chance?

SBG Ireland · 23-04-2012 10:37pm

roro1neil0 wrote: »

if that's the extent of lister's training...

yeah its probably not though

roro1neil0 · 24-04-2012 1:54am

yeah he probably did a couple of weeks training else where, wonder if he will come in in shape

SevereMMA · 24-04-2012 5:37am

I think Alan Belcher said on the MMA hour that he was training with Lister for his fight with Palhares in May

John Ferguson · 24-04-2012 2:57pm

GETTING CLOSE!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEEaMjWW8cU

John Ferguson · 25-04-2012 12:38pm

***** CAGE CONTENDER XIII in association with FIGHTSHOP.com *****

CAGE CONTENDER HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE
Neil "Old Skool" Wain -v- Colin "Big C" Robinson (Next Gen NI)

MIDDLEWEIGHT
Rodney Moore (Next Gen NI) -v- Dean "The Boogeyman" Lister

BANTAMWEIGHT GRAND PRIX
Damien "The Rage" Rooney -v- Paddy "The Holigan" Holohan (SBGi)

LIGHTWEIGHT
Greg "The Hitman" Loughran (EFR/Next Gen NI) -v- Jorge Santos (MMA Lucan)

MIDDLEWEIGHT
John Michael Shiel (SBGi) -v- Conor "DaCrook" Cooke (Red Dragon)

PRELIM CARD

FEATHERWEIGHT
Stephen Kilfin (FAI) -v- Marty Kayas (Ind)

LIGHTWEIGHT
Joe McColgan (FAI) -v- Levi Kehoe (SBGi)

BANTAMWEIGHT
Gavin "Heamie" Kelly (Evolve) -v- Dee Dee Murray (FAI)

LIGHTWEIGHT
Fran O Kelly (Coolmine BJJ) -v- Martin Kelly (PHK)

HEAVYWEIGHT
Nial Houston (FAI) -v- Piotr Nowaki (CSC)

We have had a few last minute injuries so I hope this is the final fight card

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In advance of the event I would like to thank all of the coaches, fighters and clubs involved!!

SevereMMA · 28-04-2012 3:31pm

Is it doors at 6pm, fights 7pm?

El Guapo! · 28-04-2012 4:16pm

Really wish I was going to this tonight!

jitz · 29-04-2012 12:23am

Great night of fights, Wain hits like a truck and great KO from Holohan, some cracking fights looking forward to the next one

Professey Chin · 29-04-2012 12:33am

Got results?

Stephen_King · 29-04-2012 12:54am

Barry Oglesbys twitter gottem methinks.

El Guapo! · 29-04-2012 2:22am

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

Got results?

Yeah anybody have results from this? Raging I couldn't make it to the event.

El Guapo! · 29-04-2012 2:25am

Stephen_King wrote: »

Barry Oglesbys twitter gottem methinks.

What's Barry's exact twitter name?

Professey Chin · 29-04-2012 2:29am

Dean09 wrote: »

Yeah anybody have results from this? Raging I couldn't make it to the event.

Thrown together from Barrys twitter updates

CAGE CONTENDER HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE
Neil "Old Skool" Wain -v- Colin "Big C" Robinson (Next Gen NI) RD1 KO

MIDDLEWEIGHT
Rodney Moore (Next Gen NI) -v- Dean "The Boogeyman" Lister Heel Hook RD3

BANTAMWEIGHT GRAND PRIX
Damien "The Rage" Rooney -v- Paddy "The Holigan" Holohan (SBGi) Rd1 KO

LIGHTWEIGHT
Greg "The Hitman" Loughran (EFR/Next Gen NI) -v- Jorge Santos (MMA Lucan) 2nd Rd TKO

MIDDLEWEIGHT
John Michael Shiel (SBGi) -v- Conor "DaCrook" Cooke (Red Dragon)

PRELIM CARD

FEATHERWEIGHT
Stephen Kilfin (FAI) -v- Marty Kayas (Ind)

LIGHTWEIGHT
Joe McColgan (FAI) -v- Levi Kehoe (SBGi) Decision

BANTAMWEIGHT
Gavin "Heamie" Kelly (Evolve) -v- Dee Dee Murray (FAI) UDecision

LIGHTWEIGHT
Fran O Kelly (Coolmine BJJ) -v- Martin Kelly (PHK) UDecision

HEAVYWEIGHT
Nial Houston (FAI) -v- Piotr Nowaki (CSC)

Jason McCabe · 29-04-2012 11:33am

Paddy H pulled out a sick performance. Did not realise how good his standup was

Rod put in a massive performance. Got dominated in round one. From then on he was winning. Landed some nice shots.

Roof was ready to blow off the hall.