Formula 1 2014: General Discussion Thread

MS.ing · 18-04-2014 1:10pm

Im amazed we know how its all done and so soon, one thing engineers involved to know (including those on the other side of the industrial espionage) about the workings, another thing entirely for the public (us) to know!

If I was Merc Id have a contract out on whoever let the cat out of the bag.

when I heard about the method though there was a "well duh course youd seperate the hot and cold parts of the turbo!" heinsight a wonderfull thing though spose. the lower end teams though they will be the ones who will gain most from this wont they?

_rebelkid · 18-04-2014 1:40pm

MS.ing wrote: »

Im amazed we know how its all done and so soon, one thing engineers involved to know (including those on the other side of the industrial espionage) about the workings, another thing entirely for the public (us) to know!

If I was Merc Id have a contract out on whoever let the cat out of the bag.

when I heard about the method though there was a "well duh course youd seperate the hot and cold parts of the turbo!" heinsight a wonderfull thing though spose. the lower end teams though they will be the ones who will gain most from this wont they?

It's not that the public figured it out (although technical commentators wrote about separating the Turbo in the off-season in 2013), but rather the teams had to disclose it to the FIA and FOM way back in the design certification. It was known in testing that Mercedes HAD separated the turbo, and Renault would have known it.

The lower teams running Mercedes engines already have the split turbo, and have done since they were given the engines from Mercedes. SO any gain from it is already there.

_rebelkid · 18-04-2014 1:41pm

Top Dog wrote: »

Is it just me or does the exhaust manifold on the Renault engine look seriously convoluted?

Renault do like single piping the cylinders. It's basically the manifold from the V8 with one pipe lopped off...

_rebelkid · 19-04-2014 6:10am

So Red Bull's own measurement said they were above the fuel flow limit. How the hell did they think they'd be able to win the appeal with that in their data?

From the full FIA decision:

35. The FIA then adds that the Apellant's own estimation of its car No. 3's FFR in Melbourne also showed that the car exceeded the FFL during the Australian Grand Prix.

19-04-2014 7:37am

_rebelkid wrote: »

So Red Bull's own measurement said they were above the fuel flow limit. How the hell did they think they'd be able to win the appeal with that in their data?

_rebelkid · 19-04-2014 7:46am

The Irony hurts...

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19-04-2014 7:57am

_rebelkid wrote: »

The Irony hurts...

I can't help but feel that should be a pic of Charles Manson wearing a tshirt with Che Guevara wearing a tshirt with Jesus on it.

Or something.

ScumLord · 19-04-2014 11:46am

_rebelkid wrote: »

The Irony hurts...

While he's taking that picture he can't be on the road. It is said for every hour Maldonado is kept off the road 4 lives are saved on roads around the road.

_rebelkid · 19-04-2014 12:08pm

McLaren to take Formula 1 rival Red Bull to court over Dan Fallows

McLaren is planning to take Formula 1 rival Red Bull to court in its dispute with the team over head of aero Dan Fallows, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

The Woking-based team insists it has a legally binding contract with Fallows, but Red Bull announced last week that he was returning to its fold rather than joining McLaren.

ScumLord · 19-04-2014 1:15pm

_rebelkid wrote: »

McLaren to take Formula 1 rival Red Bull to court over Dan Fallows

Shouldn't they be sueing Dan? They had a contract with him not red bull.

ZiabR · 19-04-2014 10:35pm

ScumLord wrote: »

Shouldn't they be sueing Dan? They had a contract with him not red bull.

Agreed, seems any amount of teams are waiting for their chance to take Red Bull to court. F1 is becoming so political, I know it always has been but it is becoming a joke.

Jordan 199 · 20-04-2014 11:22pm

Article about the Mercedes W05 steering wheel.

smellslikeshoes · 23-04-2014 12:59am

Jordan 199 · 24-04-2014 2:15am

McLaren confident over victory chances.

They will have to do serious work on this years car if they want to win races.

GarIT · 24-04-2014 2:28am

Jordan 191 wrote: »

McLaren confident over victory chances.

They will have to do serious work on this years car if they want to win races.

In the article they basically say they lack downforce but are fast, which translates to the car is useless but it has a Mercedes engine.

ZiabR · 24-04-2014 12:24pm

GarIT wrote: »

In the article they basically say they lack downforce but are fast, which translates to the car is useless but it has a Mercedes engine.

And to think they did look stong in testing. Bet they cant wait to get their new Red Bull aero guys to work.

Gillespy · 24-04-2014 12:57pm

Their move to the x rated nose hasn't worked. Honda will want to hit the ground running if they don't want to be bringing up the rear next year if they're no where now with Merc power.

mickdw · 24-04-2014 1:03pm

Gillespy wrote: »

Their move to the x rated nose hasn't worked. Honda will want to hit the ground running if they don't want to be bringing up the rear next year if they're no where now with Merc power.

I don't think they are as far away as it looks in terms of performance. I think they may well be strong in a couple of months.
By all accounts, the car is a good base and is adaptable.
The high nose is a disgrace though.

Zcott · 24-04-2014 1:25pm

Hopefully getting back to Europe will help McLaren develop their car quicker than the likes of Sauber and Force India, who they really shouldn't be racing.

ZiabR · 24-04-2014 4:39pm

Zcott wrote: »

Hopefully getting back to Europe will help McLaren develop their car quicker than the likes of Sauber and Force India, who they really shouldn't be racing.

But they are not racing Sauber or FI. Sauber has a worse car than McLaren and FI have a better car than McLaren, at least at the moment. McLaren are fighting with the likes of Torro Rosso at the moment. I to hope McLaren can get the development of the car moving in the right direction.

mickdw · 24-04-2014 4:51pm

Of course they are racing FI. Maybe not in the last race or 2 but I would bet good money that McLaren will finish the season ahead of FI and Williams.

Myrddin · 24-04-2014 5:39pm

I wonder if Button will be offered a McLaren seat in 2015...

smellslikeshoes · 24-04-2014 5:48pm

mickdw wrote: »

Of course they are racing FI. Maybe not in the last race or 2 but I would bet good money that McLaren will finish the season ahead of FI and Williams.

I'm not so sure, FI made a seriously good car last year and if it wasn't for the tire changes and DiResta's ****ty luck in the first half of the season I think they could have beaten Mclaren. This year they have a much stronger driver lineup and an even quicker car. Mclaren's Australia result is making them look much closer to FI than they actually are, right now they are the 7th fastest team.

24-04-2014 6:26pm

mickdw wrote: »

By all accounts, the car is a good base and is adaptable.

That's what they've said since the start, doesn't seem to have happened yet though.

Mike Litoris · 24-04-2014 9:14pm

New Sebastian Vettle t-shirt

Jordan 199 · 25-04-2014 1:40am

GarIT wrote: »

In the article they basically say they lack downforce but are fast, which translates to the car is useless but it has a Mercedes engine.

Right on mister

Jordan 199 · 25-04-2014 1:44pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsOQWbJZ9mY

SnowDrifts · 25-04-2014 2:00pm

^^ Think they need to bring the top RPM down to under 12k

MS.ing · 25-04-2014 4:01pm

whats going on with the gear changes, it drops from 5th to 1st in a couple tenths of a second (which is not humanly possible) referring to one minute in btw

Zcott · 26-04-2014 12:13am

MS.ing wrote: »

whats going on with the gear changes, it drops from 5th to 1st in a couple tenths of a second (which is not humanly possible) referring to one minute in btw

I think it's more an example of what happens rather than what actually happens on a lap.

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