Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

jill_valentine · 30-07-2012 9:55pm

Nodin wrote: »

Not a one between yez? Jaysus, times are bad....

That's Fine Gael for you.

Nodin · 30-07-2012 9:56pm

Sappa wrote: »

............
Let's face it,a married couple with children are under a lot more financial pressure on average to a working gay couple.
The hetero couple are doing society a service by creating life and future taxpayers who will inevitably pay for the gay couples pension.
Hence the married hetero couple deserve better conditions for making these sacrifices that a gay couple can never do.
.......

You mean a married couple with children are under more pressure than a married couple without....

Do you propose a second tier of marriage for infertile couples or those who just don't want any?

What about gay couples who adopt/have artificial insemination? Do they get 1st tier marriage?

Wiggles88 · 30-07-2012 9:56pm

Sappa wrote: »

Gay people have to accept they are different in their sexual orientation and cannot demand the same as heterosexuals.

Why?

Let's face it,a married couple with children are under a lot more financial pressure on average to a working gay couple.

If the gay couple have kids I dont see how they are in less financial pressure, equally if both herero and homosexual couples have no kids.

The hetero couple are doing society a service by creating life

Not all hetero couples have kids, should these couples have their rights taken from them too?

and future taxpayers who will inevitably pay for the gay couples pension.

Yeah because gay people dont pay taxes themselves...

Hence the married hetero couple deserve better conditions for making these sacrifices that a gay couple can never do.

lol they were some of the laziest excuses I've ever heard, try to put some effort into the next set of excuses you come up with.

Politicians who are in favour of it are point scoring and the general population is not up for it no matter what any poll says which are massively inaccurate .

If you dont trust the polls than what do you base this assertion on?

Delirium · 30-07-2012 9:56pm

Sappa wrote: »

Majority rules

Unless the majority happen to disagree with what you want, i.e. supporting gay marriage.

Nodin · 30-07-2012 10:00pm

Sappa wrote: »

Majority rules

We live in one of these....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_republic

30-07-2012 10:01pm

Sappa wrote: »

Gay people have to accept they are different in their sexual orientation and cannot demand the same as heterosexuals.

Why can't they demand the same rights? What's wrong with equality that transcends sexual orientation?

Let's face it,a married couple with children are under a lot more financial pressure on average to a working gay couple.
The hetero couple are doing society a service by creating life and future taxpayers who will inevitably pay for the gay couples pension.
Hence the married hetero couple deserve better conditions for making these sacrifices that a gay couple can never do.

A few questions:

If a gay couple were to adopt one or more children--if adoption were to be allowed--should they then, in your view, "deserve better conditions", as the married, child producing couple deserve?

If a hetero couple who are married do not wish to have children, should they be afforded the same rights as gay couples? Or do they deserve the same rights as child-producing, married couples, despite their unwillingness to have children?

You talk of those who can contribute to society deserving better conditions (whatever these conditions are). So, do those who are capable of contributing more to society--in the form of "future taxpayers", i.e. children, in this case--deserve "better conditions" than those who are incapable to contributing a lot to society? Say, for example, a severally mentally handicapped person: since they can't contribute to society to the same degree as a mentally functional person, do they deserve "lesser conditions"?

I find the idea that the "conditions" which one deserves being tied to how much one contributes to society to be disturbing, I have to say.

Zillah · 30-07-2012 10:06pm

Sappa wrote: »

Politicians who are in favour of it are point scoring and the general population is not up for it no matter what any poll says which are massively inaccurate .

There is this weird middle zone with some people whose brains seem so dysfunctional that I can't decide if they're incredibly stupid or actually insane. I'm trying to come up with a compound word for it, like mixing "idiocy" and "insanity" or something like that - it's hard though. It needs to convey that almost zen-like dissonance I feel when a person blithely sails from non sequitor to non sequitor in a cunning imitation of human thinking.

What I'm trying to say is that the thoughts in your brain don't work properly and you'll never understand why.

Bannasidhe · 30-07-2012 10:13pm

Sappa wrote: »

Some societies recognise homosexuals very early,in south east Asia I have seem cases where families accept their child is gay or wants to be a ladyboy at 5yrs old.
I witnessed one family who lived next door,who embraced this and their attitude was up to him.
Europe has come a hell of a long way from the days where a lobotomy was performed on a gay person,this was widespread even up to the early 80's leading to serious complications.
Gay people have to accept they are different in their sexual orientation and cannot demand the same as heterosexuals.
Let's face it,a married couple with children are under a lot more financial pressure on average to a working gay couple.
The hetero couple are doing society a service by creating life and future taxpayers who will inevitably pay for the gay couples pension.
Hence the married hetero couple deserve better conditions for making these sacrifices that a gay couple can never do.
Ireland has loads of rights afforded to homosexuals,they have their own bars,clubs,parades and are for the most part are left in peace here.
Some societies are more liberal than others ours is not as liberal as some but more than others.
Politicians who are in favour of it are point scoring and the general population is not up for it no matter what any poll says which are massively inaccurate .

Ok - I created a life, sent him to school, paid for child minders, school books, uniforms, what ever clothes were 'must have' that season, I personally kept lego profitable through the 80s and 90s, bought countless blasted Transformers, computers, games consoles and games, searched the country to get shoes/boots/trainers to fit his mutant size 13 feet, paid more then the GDP of a small nation for food to fill his bottomless pit of a stomach, paid a fortune for sports equipment so the sod could decide with a month or so that he didn't like riding/tennis/ice hockey/rugby/soccer but now wanted to play some other sport which required even more expensive equipment, sat up all night in hospitals when he had his latest accident while skate boarding/rollerblading/sunbathing on the kitchen roof, took him on holidays in Ireland and abroad every year, My OH and I worked -still do, paid our taxes - still do ( 50% rate back in the 80s :mad:), bought a house, paid my mortgage, bought another house - still paying that mortgage, I have paid for every single birthday party for my grandchildren (current total is 8 - #9 is next month), take my grand kids away for a week every Easter for a holiday in Ireland, bring them camping in Ireland for 2 weeks every July ....yet not once have I ever been charged less then heterosexual couples so I fail to see how was I under less financial pressure then they were?

I made my sacrifices. I contributed more then many of my childless straight friends - why the hell should I not be entitled to the same fecking rights as they have????

:mad::mad::mad:

MagicMarker · 30-07-2012 10:14pm

Sappa wrote: »

Majority rules

Reaaaallly?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0915/1224278900109.html

Two-thirds support gay marriage, poll finds
JUST OVER two-thirds of people (67 per cent) believe gay couples should be allowed to marry, according to an Irish Times/Behaviour Attitudes social poll.

It is one of a series of findings in a poll on “sex, sin and society” that indicates Irish people have adopted a more liberal attitude towards personal relationships and sexual behaviour.

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-should-ireland-introduce-same-sex-marriage-446094-May2012/

Poll: Should Ireland introduce same-sex marriage?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/elections/opinion-polls/more-than-six-in-10-now-want-samesex-marriage-legalised-2554026.html

More than six in 10 now want same-sex marriage legalised

THE majority of people want gay marriage to be legalised.

More than six out of every 10 voters believe same-sex marriages should be recognised by the State, according to the latest Irish Independent/Millward Brown Lansdowne survey.

The figures show just 27pc of voters are opposed to the idea of gay marriage.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/poll-73-of-public-back-allowing-same-sex-marriage-in-constitution-184849.html

Poll: 73% of public back allowing same-sex marriage in Constitution

Three in four people agree with allowing the principle of same-sex marriage in the Constitution, a poll has revealed.

The findings are part of research done in connection with last year’s referendum seeking to beef up the powers of Oireachtas inquiries, a referendum that was rejected by the electorate.

It's seems the numbers of bigoted, homophobic numptys are dwindling.

Bannasidhe · 30-07-2012 10:17pm

Nodin wrote: »

Not a one between yez? Jaysus, times are bad....

Can't even afford a dildo as the grand kids are bleeding me dry so even if I was inclined to try and persuade herself that sodomy was compulsory for all homosexualists and in the highly unlikely event that she didn't slap me upside the head for even suggesting bum sex I couldn't afford the equipment to enable us to have a go and see what the fuss is all about.

NuMarvel · 30-07-2012 10:18pm

Sappa wrote: »

Some societies recognise homosexuals very early,in south east Asia I have seem cases where families accept their child is gay or wants to be a ladyboy at 5yrs old.
I witnessed one family who lived next door,who embraced this and their attitude was up to him.
Europe has come a hell of a long way from the days where a lobotomy was performed on a gay person,this was widespread even up to the early 80's leading to serious complications.
Gay people have to accept they are different in their sexual orientation and cannot demand the same as heterosexuals.
Let's face it,a married couple with children are under a lot more financial pressure on average to a working gay couple.
The hetero couple are doing society a service by creating life and future taxpayers who will inevitably pay for the gay couples pension.
Hence the married hetero couple deserve better conditions for making these sacrifices that a gay couple can never do.
Ireland has loads of rights afforded to homosexuals,they have their own bars,clubs,parades and are for the most part are left in peace here.
Some societies are more liberal than others ours is not as liberal as some but more than others.
Politicians who are in favour of it are point scoring and the general population is not up for it no matter what any poll says which are massively inaccurate .

Just curious. What do your "queer" friends think of your points of view? Are they in agreement that they are 2nd class citizens, though equal taxpayers, because of their sexuality?

Because right now, you're the equivalent of the bus driver telling Rosa Parks to stand at the back of the bus, and she's damned lucky she's allowed on the bus in the first place.

rock chic · 30-07-2012 10:18pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

How dare you say such a thing about the clergy!

i take it your being sarcastic

Sappa · 30-07-2012 10:20pm

Zillah wrote: »

Sappa wrote: »

Politicians who are in favour of it are point scoring and the general population is not up for it no matter what any poll says which are massively inaccurate .

There is this weird middle zone with some people whose brains seem so dysfunctional that I can't decide if they're incredibly stupid or actually insane. I'm trying to come up with a compound word for it, like mixing "idiocy" and "insanity" or something like that - it's hard though. It needs to convey that almost zen-like dissonance I feel when a person blithely sails from non sequitor to non sequitor in a cunning imitation of human thinking.

What I'm trying to say is that the thoughts in your brain don't work properly and you'll never understand why.

Your entitled to your opinions but since you I have not attacked any poster here you seem to need to attack my intelligence without an idea of the reality that is my situation just because my views differ to yours.
Not that I need to justify my educational or intellectual achievements but I hold an undergrad as well as 2 post graduate qualifications,shame on you for feeling the need to stoop this low.

Gbear · 30-07-2012 10:21pm

Sappa wrote: »

Majority rules

Really? Great. Better tell that to some of the southern states in the US so they can get those blackies back to work on the plantations.

Or is that just utter bollocks that ignores the notion of constitutional democracy?

Sappa wrote: »

Europe has come a hell of a long way from the days where a lobotomy was performed on a gay person,this was widespread even up to the early 80's leading to serious complications.
Ireland has loads of rights afforded to homosexuals,they have their own bars,clubs,parades and are for the most part are left in peace here.

Those bloody gays! They should be happy we don't beat them up (much) anymore. What is with them and their fag agendas? Constantly moaning that they don't deserve to be treated as sub-human. I mean come on!

Sappa wrote: »

The hetero couple are doing society a service by creating life and future taxpayers who will inevitably pay for the gay couples pension.

The point of social welfare is that you put money in with the expectation of getting it back when you're down on your luck or retired.
That we have to keep churning out babies to keep it funded, like a giant pyramid scheme, is a fault with the system, not a reason to bash people for not making babies.

Sappa wrote: »

Hence the married hetero couple deserve better conditions for making these sacrifices that a gay couple can never do.

Because as it is, we just dump unwanted children in the bin?

Are you suggesting that it's better to have children in state care rather than in loving homes? Even if all the evidence suggests that two gay parents lead to no more problems than straight ones?

Sappa wrote: »

Gay people have to accept they are different in their sexual orientation and cannot demand the same as heterosexuals.

Why? Jesus tap-dancing christ why? Because they're "icky", which is pretty much the long and short of the reasons that always seem to be given, is not enough!

Sappa · 30-07-2012 10:21pm

Zillah wrote: »

Sappa wrote: »

Politicians who are in favour of it are point scoring and the general population is not up for it no matter what any poll says which are massively inaccurate .

There is this weird middle zone with some people whose brains seem so dysfunctional that I can't decide if they're incredibly stupid or actually insane. I'm trying to come up with a compound word for it, like mixing "idiocy" and "insanity" or something like that - it's hard though. It needs to convey that almost zen-like dissonance I feel when a person blithely sails from non sequitor to non sequitor in a cunning imitation of human thinking.

What I'm trying to say is that the thoughts in your brain don't work properly and you'll never understand why.

Your entitled to your opinions but since I have not attacked any poster here you seem to need to attack my intelligence without an idea of the reality that is my situation just because my views differ to yours.
Not that I need to justify my educational or intellectual achievements but I hold an undergrad as well as 2 post graduate qualifications,shame on you for feeling the need to stoop this low.

Bannasidhe · 30-07-2012 10:26pm

rock chic wrote: »

i take it your being sarcastic

absolutely.

NuMarvel · 30-07-2012 10:29pm

Sappa wrote: »

Majority rules

Personally, I don't believe that human and civil rights should go to a referendum unless absolutely necessary.

There was never a referendum when the Equal Status Acts were passed. Or when same-sex sexual activity was decriminalised. Or when women were allowed to stay in the civil service after marriage. And that's even though the Constitution strongly implies a married woman's place is in the home.

Similarly, because the extension of civil marriage rights to same sex couples doesn't impinge on anyone else's freedoms in any way, and the Constitution doesn't have a clear ban on it, I don't see why it needs to go to the people in the first place.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Can't even afford a dildo as the grand kids are bleeding me dry so even if I was inclined to try and persuade herself that sodomy was compulsory for all homosexualists and in the highly unlikely event that she didn't slap me upside the head for even suggesting bum sex I couldn't afford the equipment to enable us to have a go and see what the fuss is all about.

Have Hasbro not released a suitable Transformer yet?? You'd think with all those Optimus Primes and Megatrons and Ultra Magnuses, they'd have released something you could try

Dades · 30-07-2012 10:31pm

Sappa, forgetting the fact that number seem to be against you, your must know that this "majority rules" argument is utterly bereft of any merit?

Just like your anecdotal evidence concerning situations you've come across (5 yr old ladyboys? Really?) has no relevance to the laws of a modern society.

jill_valentine · 30-07-2012 10:33pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Can't even afford a dildo as the grand kids are bleeding me dry so even if I was inclined to try and persuade herself that sodomy was compulsory for all homosexualists and in the highly unlikely event that she didn't slap me upside the head for even suggesting bum sex I couldn't afford the equipment to enable us to have a go and see what the fuss is all about.

I'd hold off on that for a while anyway, I think we're still waiting on a ruling from Actor on whether or not lesbians exist.

Sappa · 30-07-2012 10:35pm

Dades wrote: »

Sappa, forgetting the fact that number seem to be against you, your must know that this "majority rules" argument is utterly bereft of any merit?

Just like your anecdotal evidence concerning situations you've come across (5 yr old ladyboys? Really?) has no relevance to the laws of a modern society.

Rules ate made for the majority right?
I was giving am example of a highly liberal society to homosexuality directly as a result of their Buddhist faith but we won't go into that here.

Nodin · 30-07-2012 10:36pm

jill_valentine wrote: »

I'd hold off on that for a while anyway, I think we're still waiting on a ruling from Actor on whether or not lesbians exist.

...he does seem a bit fixated on the male, its true.

Bannasidhe · 30-07-2012 10:38pm

Sappa wrote: »

Your entitled to your opinions but since you I have not attacked any poster here you seem to need to attack my intelligence without an idea of the reality that is my situation just because my views differ to yours.
Not that I need to justify my educational or intellectual achievements but I hold an undergrad as well as 2 post graduate qualifications,shame on you for feeling the need to stoop this low.

You have stated that I am not entitled to the same legal rights as either my sister or brother simply because I am Gay and they are straight. I take that as an attack.

Bannasidhe · 30-07-2012 10:39pm

jill_valentine wrote: »

I'd hold off on that for a while anyway, I think we're still waiting on a ruling from Actor on whether or not lesbians exist.

No way am I going to be able to explain to herself that we don't exist :eek:

Nodin · 30-07-2012 10:40pm

Sappa wrote: »

Rules ate made for the majority right?
..........

Rules are made for society and, in theory, to protect minorities within that society from the "tyranny of the majority".

oldrnwisr · 30-07-2012 10:45pm

Sappa wrote: »

Rules ate made for the majority right?

In a word, no.

What you are talking about is an ochlocracy, mob rule. We live in a democracy.

The problem with your argument, as Dades has already explained is that an appeal to the majority or an argumentum ad populum has no merit. Something doesn't become true because lots of people believe in it. For example, back in 1897 the state legislature of Indiana tried to pass a bill which would have officially declared pi to be 3, in keeping with biblical principles. Had they succeeded they would have given legal recognition to something which is demonstrably false, just as you are attempting to do by arguing for denying equal rights to gay couples.

Finally, although the urge to use the Picard facepalm for your last post was strong, I think a quote from him might be more useful:

"With the first link the chain is forged, the first thought forbidden, the first speech censured, the first freedom denied chains us all irrevocably. The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we're all damaged by it."

jill_valentine · 30-07-2012 10:50pm

Nodin wrote: »

...he does seem a bit fixated on the male, its true.

He fixates on sodomy in particular, so until we get a bit more clarification on the issue I think gay chaps will just have to make do with frottage, oral, mutual masturbation and anilingus.

You know, for society's sake.

jill_valentine · 30-07-2012 10:54pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

No way am I going to be able to explain to herself that we don't exist :eek:

Further complicated if you don't exist either.

NuMarvel · 30-07-2012 11:01pm

jill_valentine wrote: »

He fixates on sodomy in particular, so until we get a bit more clarification on the issue I think gay chaps will just have to make do with frottage, oral, mutual masturbation and anilingus.

You know, for society's sake.

As long as it's not for too long, I'm okay with that. And nipple play. And neck and ear nibbling. And.... Actually never mind, I'm just gonna go have a cold shower.

fitz0 · 30-07-2012 11:03pm

jill_valentine wrote: »

He fixates on sodomy in particular, so until we get a bit more clarification on the issue I think gay chaps will just have to make do with frottage, oral, mutual masturbation and anilingus.

You know, for society's sake.

Technically oral is sodomy as well, so none of that ya hear?

Bannasidhe · 30-07-2012 11:10pm

jill_valentine wrote: »

Further complicated if you don't exist either.

ARRRRRGGGGHHHH I'm having an existentialist crises now. Do I exist? Does my OH exist? Do we have Gay sex? Is it Gay sex if it's not bum sex?

I'm sooooo confused.

PopePalpatine · 30-07-2012 11:14pm

Galvasean wrote: »

I'm willing to wager he'll ignore that and return a bit later nd say "Sodomy is wrong."
Why are hardcore Catholics obsessed with sodomy?

Because they're trying to block out the numerous occasions where paedophile priests have done it to children?

jill_valentine · 30-07-2012 11:16pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

ARRRRRGGGGHHHH I'm having an existentialist crises now. Do I exist? Does my OH exist? Do we have Gay sex? Is it Gay sex if it's not bum sex?

I'm sooooo confused.

/frantically consults bible

Sarky · 30-07-2012 11:19pm

If neither of you exist, any sodomy you engage in doesn't exist either, so go forth and, er, whatever.

Bannasidhe · 30-07-2012 11:23pm

Sarky wrote: »

If neither of you exist, any sodomy you engage in doesn't exist either, so go forth and, er, whatever.

Have Hot Lesbian Sex*

*by 'sex' I mean Tea, but at least it's hot.

robindch · 30-07-2012 11:39pm

Actor wrote: »

You're easily offended by people saying "bad things" on the internet.

I'm not offended. In my position as moderator, I'm simply doing what's necessary to maintain the high standard of debate that's a feature of this forum, but conspicuous by its absence from your input to it.

Galvasean · 30-07-2012 11:41pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

*by 'sex' I mean Tea, but at least it's hot.

I will see you in the elevator

Sierra 117 · 30-07-2012 11:44pm

Mmm... hot lesbian tea...

Turtwig · 30-07-2012 11:49pm

Sappa wrote: »

Your entitled to your opinions but since you I have not attacked any poster here you seem to need to attack my intelligence without an idea of the reality that is my situation just because my views differ to yours.
Not that I need to justify my educational or intellectual achievements but I hold an undergrad as well as 2 post graduate qualifications,shame on you for feeling the need to stoop this low.

It doesn't matter how many Nobel prizes you've won, if what you say is wrong, then it's wrong. Your reasoning throughout this thread has been fallacious and no amount of achievements in academia or otherwise are ever going to offset that.

Zillah · 31-07-2012 12:08am

MagicMarker wrote: »

Reaaaallly?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2010/0915/1224278900109.html

http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-should-ireland-introduce-same-sex-marriage-446094-May2012/

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/elections/opinion-polls/more-than-six-in-10-now-want-samesex-marriage-legalised-2554026.html

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/poll-73-of-public-back-allowing-same-sex-marriage-in-constitution-184849.html

It's seems the numbers of bigoted, homophobic numptys are dwindling.

Ehhhhh...he already addressed this, silly: The polls are wrong.

Sure, he's heard it from both the lads down the pub and the mother-in-law; no one in the country is going to vote for gay marriage.

Sarky · 31-07-2012 12:11am

Nobody wants you to list your qualifications Sappa, they're irrelevant.

We just want you to acknowledge that without anything to back them up, your opinions so far on gay marriage are stupid, and I'd you have no evidence otherwise then you should consider changing them.

OldNotWIse · 31-07-2012 9:05am

Actor wrote: »

Gay if you like men, gay if you don't like men... Phucked either way...

Chance'd be a fine thing

old hippy · 31-07-2012 12:19pm

Actor wrote: »

Sodomy is, quite frankly, disgusting. I'd sooner put my micky in a blender than have my sexual organ covered in faeces. Sodomy is the essence of my point against gay "marriage". There are also biblical references to the behaviour, but seeing as this is the atheist forum; we're not allowed to discuss them...

And "oh, but heterosexuals do it too" is not an explanation for the behaviour.

Why O why are pious folk so concerned with other peoples sex lives?

Surely there's more pressing issues to get worked up over?

doctoremma · 31-07-2012 12:41pm

old hippy wrote: »

Why O why are pious folk so concerned with other peoples sex lives?

Surely there's more pressing issues to get worked up over?

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught in foreign towers.
Slash and burn, return, listen to yourself churn.
Locking in, uniforming, book burning, blood letting.
Every motive escalate. Automotive incinerate.
Light a candle, light a votive. Step down, step down.
Watch your heel crush, crushed. Uh-oh, this means no fear cavalier.
Renegade steer clear! A tournament, a tournament, a tournament of lies.
Offer me solutions, offer me alternatives and I decline.

It's the end of the world as we know it.

MrPudding · 31-07-2012 12:47pm

Things are really heating up...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19017526

MrP

OldNotWIse · 31-07-2012 12:49pm

old hippy wrote: »

Why O why are pious folk so concerned with other peoples sex lives?

Surely there's more pressing issues to get worked up over?

Not sure, I mean, if we were asking them to put their er...mickeys in someone else's hole that would be fair enough, but I really dont understand why some people have such an "issue" with gay peoples sex lives - I mean, if they were normal, they wouldn't be giving so much thought to what others do between the sheets in the first place...

doctoremma · 31-07-2012 12:55pm

MrPudding wrote: »

Things are really heating up...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19017526

MrP

Brilliant. One more to add to the Oreo List of boycotted products (although without their computers, I guess Amazon was already out).

Shredder66 · 31-07-2012 1:19pm

Beruthiel wrote: »

You're dead right Sappa, you've got them gays sussed!

Jeez, things keep going as they are, society might actually start treating them like equal human beings.
Can't be having that, the universe might implode.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...i believe it was a homosexual who said that

Bannasidhe · 31-07-2012 1:23pm

Shredder66 wrote: »

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit...i believe it was a homosexual who said that

Care to give the rest of the sentence?

'Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence'

Shredder66 · 31-07-2012 1:25pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Care to give the rest of the sentence?

'Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but the highest form of intelligence'

I agree with the first part only

MagicMarker · 31-07-2012 1:27pm

Shredder66 wrote: »

I agree with the first part only

Naturally, you're not very....... sarcastic.

Gay Marriage/Marriage Equality/End of World?

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