Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Motivator · 02-12-2012 5:22pm

Deise Tom wrote: »

However in saying this, I think it is an open secret that Martin Cullen when he was the Environment Minister had money sorted (I heard a eight digit figure mentioned) to due up Walsh Park as some sort of a development thing for areas where there is large amounts of Unemployment (something like that anyway), but the then County Board wanted to get involved with WIT in what they were then planning at Carriganore, but I dont think the Government wanted to get involved in such a project.

Not true in the slightest.

deisebhoy17 · 02-12-2012 7:07pm

WumBuster wrote: »

Wudnt have a problem with him carrying on next year if he so wishes. Sure he dosent have same pace as before but he was still one of our better performers against Cork and Tipp last year. Dont know what young lads exactly he's stopping coming through Id rather have his experience, skill and presence. he might stay on for one more year I reckon. he might as well now and become the first man to play in the Munster championship at 40 since Christy Ring. If there is fellas better than him to be starting before him they would be already and he'd be gone years ago. TB is a legend of the Deise and of the game and deserves a little bit more respect than fellas trying to retire him on boards.ie.

hes not up to 70 minutes hurling anymore that was proven in both the games you mentioned. so imo he has no business on the panel. to suggest that he should stay on for the sake of being the first 40 year old to play championship is ludicrious. if he is good enough to last 70 minutes Id have no issue with it no matter what age he is but you cant just keep a felah on for the sake of sentiment and reputation. There are loads of young hurlers chomping at the bit to get in that can hurl for 70 mins and that need game time to improve and progress.

Its going to be scully ryans biggest challenge as waterford manager to see But lets just see how he handles this. Has he got the balls to make the hard call if Tony does decide to give it another year?

Morte · 02-12-2012 9:40pm

At worst I don't see why he couldn't be back up and an option for a substitute. If he's happy being on the panel without being guaranteed a place on the team I don't see the problem. Nor would I have a problem if he decided to call it a day in that case.

Mountainlad · 02-12-2012 9:51pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

hes not up to 70 minutes hurling anymore that was proven in both the games you mentioned. so imo he has no business on the panel. to suggest that he should stay on for the sake of being the first 40 year old to play championship is ludicrious. if he is good enough to last 70 minutes Id have no issue with it no matter what age he is but you cant just keep a felah on for the sake of sentiment and reputation. There are loads of young hurlers chomping at the bit to get in that can hurl for 70 mins and that need game time to improve and progress.

Its going to be scully ryans biggest challenge as waterford manager to see But lets just see how he handles this. Has he got the balls to make the hard call if Tony does decide to give it another year?

The reason Tony got back in the starting 15 was because there was nobody good enough at wing back to take his place. He already had been dropped for the game against Clare, and he was very good for most of the Munster Final, he destroyed Pa Bourke. He can't last 70 minutes, that was one thing the management were slow to acknowledge last year in the other games, but there hand was forced.

With Fives back, Tony could lose his place, but he's probably still good enough to be on the panel. I don't know that Tony would want to be a bench warmer, I'd miagine he'd walk in that scenario.

It would be an outright PR disaster for Michael Ryan, however, if he just dropped Tony Browne. Look at the media reaction to Eoin Kelly being dropped, which in my opinion was still the right call. And then he had to row back on that because things weren't going well. That decision ultimately led to criticism of Ryan for not bringing him on against Cork, even though he was absolutely cat against both Clare and Tipp.

So, if things go badly, what will people say? He should never have dropped Tony? That he showed very poor treatment to a Waterford legend? That he doesn't have a clue?

The only way Ryan could drop Tony is if he had a private conversation with Tony and said he's not in his plans and that he should retire, but that might not work because Tony may well be too proud to be forced into retirement.

I think publicly dropping him though would be as good as putting his head in the guillotine.

WumBuster · 02-12-2012 10:10pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

hes not up to 70 minutes hurling anymore that was proven in both the games you mentioned. so imo he has no business on the panel. to suggest that he should stay on for the sake of being the first 40 year old to play championship is ludicrious. if he is good enough to last 70 minutes Id have no issue with it no matter what age he is but you cant just keep a felah on for the sake of sentiment and reputation. There are loads of young hurlers chomping at the bit to get in that can hurl for 70 mins and that need game time to improve and progress.

Its going to be scully ryans biggest challenge as waterford manager to see But lets just see how he handles this. Has he got the balls to make the hard call if Tony does decide to give it another year?

I cant really agree with much you are saying there. Whats the big deal about playing 70 mins. Its a panel game now you are allowed to bring on substitutes, which is an important part of the modern game. If he can still play a good 55-60 mins dont see what the problem is. By the way you're talking we must have a few Tommy walsh's or JJ Delaneys imported down from Kilkenny waiting on the wings.I wish there were but there isnt. who could play that position maybe someone like Richie Foley, Dara Fives, David o Sullivan etc I wouldnt rate any of them a patch on Tony Browne as a hurler, tbh. Mick Ryan is no eejit and he knows that too.

PTH2009 · 03-12-2012 12:48am

Its a pity Eoin Kelly Retired he was still young enough.

What are the chances of him returning for a new management panel??

Deise Hurler · 03-12-2012 12:51am

WumBuster wrote: »

I cant really agree with much you are saying there. Whats the big deal about playing 70 mins. Its a panel game now you are allowed to bring on substitutes, which is an important part of the modern game. If he can still play a good 55-60 mins dont see what the problem is. By the way you're talking we must have a few Tommy walsh's or JJ Delaneys imported down from Kilkenny waiting on the wings.I wish there were but there isnt. who could play that position maybe someone like Richie Foley, Dara Fives, David o Sullivan etc I wouldnt rate any of them a patch on Tony Browne as a hurler, tbh. Mick Ryan is no eejit and he knows that too.

Have to agree with that. Tony still has a role to play just not for 70 mins. Was one of our better players last year. The key is to bring on the fresher legs from 50 mins on.

Cake Man · 03-12-2012 1:27am

PTH2009 wrote: »

Its a pity Eoin Kelly Retired he was still young enough.

What are the chances of him returning for a new management panel??

If Eoin Kelly gets involved in management we may as well call it a day!

Mountainlad · 03-12-2012 1:41am

Cake Man wrote: »

If Eoin Kelly gets involved in management we may as well call it a day!

Don't think that's what he meant

solarith · 03-12-2012 11:58am

Eoin Kelly return to panel.. Lads I don't know what planet you are all on at all.

ManFromCheese · 03-12-2012 1:33pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Its a pity Eoin Kelly Retired he was still young enough.

What are the chances of him returning for a new management panel??

eventhough management in general is a problem, i dont think its the issue here, if God himself was manager eoin kelly would have a problem, its a pity because he is young and still has something to offer, i just hope for eoins sake he doesnt regret it in years to come.

deisebhoy17 · 03-12-2012 1:59pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Its a pity Eoin Kelly Retired he was still young enough.

What are the chances of him returning for a new management panel??

Kelly is finished.. end of. He was still good in 09', 10 he was very much on the wane and 2011 and 2012 he was off the pace.

The only regret Id have was him not being brought on against Cork in the quarter final this year. When Walsh went off injured we were lacking a serious threat in at full forward. Eoin McGrath fluffed a ball into his hand and Shane Casey made a complete hames of an oppertunity when straight through on goal. I guarantee Kelly wouldnt have dropped that ball or mis-hit a shot from 5 yards. That could have been his one last hurrah but it didnt happen. Its time to move on now and start building for the future.

Mountainlad · 03-12-2012 5:33pm

Anyone know where the Club season tickets are available? Is it club secretaries?

WumBuster · 03-12-2012 6:28pm

I dont know if you could say kelly is finished, he's still only 29-30 and could have something to offer but the last year or 2 his head or heart didnt seem to be in it at all. He's a confidence player and always wants to be the main man, when the management started lessening his role in the team it affected his confidence big time. In a way i wouldnt blame him for packing it up, its a disgrace he wasnt brought on against Cork when we needed a goal.

deisebhoy17 · 03-12-2012 8:01pm

WumBuster wrote: »

I dont know if you could say kelly is finished, he's still only 29-30 and could have something to offer but the last year or 2 his head or heart didnt seem to be in it at all. He's a confidence player and always wants to be the main man, when the management started lessening his role in the team it affected his confidence big time. In a way i wouldnt blame him for packing it up, its a disgrace he wasnt brought on against Cork when we needed a goal.

Having seen him play the last 2 seasons Id say he is finished. Everyone was hoping this year that hed come back hungry and stronger after a poor couple of seasons but its worse he seemed to getting. There was controversy with the management at the beginning and to be fair they gave him every chance to come back and get fit even bent the rules for him a bit but it just didnt seem to happen.

He is 30 you'd think there is still time but his attitude has always been a problem. He got away with it in his early to mid 20s becuase he had the ability but as you get older the body gets more weary and you have to work harder to get the fitness right. Hes obviously not willing to put it in and unfortunately his time is up

Straight Talker · 03-12-2012 8:45pm

Im wondering could any anoraks of Waterfords gaa history could help out a fellow anorak.Were all aware of the 48 all ireland winning team and the 57 to 63 team of Seamus Power Phil Grimes and Tom Cheasty etc and the Tony Browne Ken McGrath and Dan Shanahan from 98 onwards generation.But what about the generation of players from post 63 to pre 98.There was a few highlights in that time.

In 1967 Cork the then all ireland champions came down to suirside to play Waterford.Waterford beat them and Cork were sent back to leeside stripped of their munster and all ireland crowns.In 1974 Waterford beat Cork in Walsh Park in the championship.Paddy Barry got sent off in his last championship appearance for Cork.Waterford in 1977 gave the three in a row Cork team a few hairy moments but Cork eventually pulled through.Of course Waterford played in three munster finals in the 80's in 82 83 and 89 although they got destroyed in all three of them.They beat Cork after a replay in 89 although Ger Cunnigham got knocked out with concussion.In 1991 Waterford actually only lost to Cork by three points.In 1992 they gave a Limerick a close match and then there was the nadir of losing to Kerry in 93.Waterford did give Limerick a close game in 94 and they gave away a few soft goals against Limerick in 97.

Who were the star players for Waterford in that era?I know of Ken McGraths father Pat,Shane shinner Ahern,Mossy Walsh and the winner of Waterfords first all star John Galvin i think his name was.Who were the others though that stood out for Waterford in that barren era?btw It would be great if some releases a book covering the Waterford hurling story up to the present times.

Straight Talker · 03-12-2012 8:48pm

WumBuster wrote: »

I dont know if you could say kelly is finished, he's still only 29-30 and could have something to offer but the last year or 2 his head or heart didnt seem to be in it at all. He's a confidence player and always wants to be the main man, when the management started lessening his role in the team it affected his confidence big time. In a way i wouldnt blame him for packing it up, its a disgrace he wasnt brought on against Cork when we needed a goal.

While at the time i was saying that Cork had the better bench maybe it was a case of JBM making better use of his resources than what Michael Ryan made of his.Taking off Tony Browne was a huge mistake.All Michael Ryan achieved by that was letting Cork know that his team were beaten.

ManFromCheese · 04-12-2012 1:49am

Straight Talker wrote: »

Im wondering could any anoraks of Waterfords gaa history could help out a fellow anorak.Were all aware of the 48 all ireland winning team and the 57 to 63 team of Seamus Power Phil Grimes and Tom Cheasty etc and the Tony Browne Ken McGrath and Dan Shanahan from 98 onwards generation.But what about the generation of players from post 63 to pre 98.There was a few highlights in that time.

In 1967 Cork the then all ireland champions came down to suirside to play Waterford.Waterford beat them and Cork were sent back to leeside stripped of their munster and all ireland crowns.In 1974 Waterford beat Cork in Walsh Park in the championship.Paddy Barry got sent off in his last championship appearance for Cork.Waterford in 1977 gave the three in a row Cork team a few hairy moments but Cork eventually pulled through.Of course Waterford played in three munster finals in the 80's in 82 83 and 89 although they got destroyed in all three of them.They beat Cork after a replay in 89 although Ger Cunnigham got knocked out with concussion.In 1991 Waterford actually only lost to Cork by three points.In 1992 they gave a Limerick a close match and then there was the nadir of losing to Kerry in 93.Waterford did give Limerick a close game in 94 and they gave away a few soft goals against Limerick in 97.

Who were the star players for Waterford in that era?I know of Ken McGraths father Pat,Shane shinner Ahern,Mossy Walsh and the winner of Waterfords first all star John Galvin i think his name was.Who were the others though that stood out for Waterford in that barren era?btw It would be great if some releases a book covering the Waterford hurling story up to the present times.

Jim Greene of course...
Pat Ryan mt sion, nicky cashin abbeyside, tom casey dunhill, daithi foran portlaw, noelie crowley roanmore, damien byrne erins own, chuck o connor erins own....to name a few

Straight Talker · 04-12-2012 2:12am

ManFromCheese wrote: »

Jim Greene of course...
Pat Ryan mt sion, nicky cashin abbeyside, tom casey dunhill, daithi foran portlaw, noelie crowley roanmore, damien byrne erins own, chuck o connor erins own....to name a few

I don't mean to be overly pedantic here but could you tell what years those players were in service?

ManFromCheese · 04-12-2012 2:43am

Straight Talker wrote: »

I don't mean to be overly pedantic here but could you tell what years those players were in service?

Jim Greene late 60s,70s early 80s, Pat Ryan mt sion late 70s, 80s, nicky cashin abbeyside 70s, 80s, tom casey dunhill 70s, 80s, daithi foran portlaw late 80s, early 90s, noelie crowley roanmore mid 80s to mid 90s, damien byrne erins own mid 80s to mid 90s, chuck o connor erins ownmid 80s to mid 90s

avonmore · 04-12-2012 11:51am

Along with those already mentioned, Pat Flynn, Paul's father was a great servant in goal back in the 60's and up to '74. Paddy Coady RIP from Erin's Own was the stalwart full back in that era.
Shamie Hannon and Mossy Walsh from Ballyduff would have been ever presents from the early 70s up to the mid 80s. John Dalton from Touraneena gave great service at wing back in the 70's.

The Whelans from Portlaw also, Mossy RIP and Peter along with Martin Hickey and John Galvin were to the forefront at that time in what was a golden era for Portlaw. Ducky Ormonde from Lismore, sadly recently deceased, was a very good corner forward.

Pat Enright from Abbeyside was a brilliant forward in the 60s and 70s but sadly gave up inter county hurling at a relatively young age. John McGrath was also very good.

Noel Connors Snr gave great service at centre forward around that time. Andy Heffernan from Ferrybank was a class act at centre forward until he did his cruciate in that game against Cork in '74. The late Davy Duggan and Sonny Walsh were stalwarts too.

In the 80's you had Jimmy Beresford from Colligan, what a corner back, Paco Curran from Stradbally a top class goalkeeper and Kieran Delahunty from Roanmore a very accurate forward.

To me though the pick of that era was Pat McGrath. What a hurler, he was peerless. How he never got an All Star was incredible.

There are several more worthy of mentioning. As the previous poster said it would need a book to do them justice. In what was overall a bleak time for Waterford hurling these guys kept the flame alight.

Deise Tom · 04-12-2012 2:40pm

avonmore wrote: »

Along with those already mentioned, Pat Flynn, Paul's father was a great servant in goal back in the 60's and up to '74. Paddy Coady RIP from Erin's Own was the stalwart full back in that era.
Shamie Hannon and Mossy Walsh from Ballyduff would have been ever presents from the early 70s up to the mid 80s. John Dalton from Touraneena gave great service at wing back in the 70's.

The Whelans from Portlaw also, Mossy RIP and Peter along with Martin Hickey and John Galvin were to the forefront at that time in what was a golden era for Portlaw. Ducky Ormonde from Lismore, sadly recently deceased, was a very good corner forward.

Pat Enright from Abbeyside was a brilliant forward in the 60s and 70s but sadly gave up inter county hurling at a relatively young age. John McGrath was also very good.

Noel Connors Snr gave great service at centre forward around that time. Andy Heffernan from Ferrybank was a class act at centre forward until he did his cruciate in that game against Cork in '74. The late Davy Duggan and Sonny Walsh were stalwarts too.

In the 80's you had Jimmy Beresford from Colligan, what a corner back, Paco Curran from Stradbally a top class goalkeeper and Kieran Delahunty from Roanmore a very accurate forward.

To me though the pick of that era was Pat McGrath. What a hurler, he was peerless. How he never got an All Star was incredible.

There are several more worthy of mentioning. As the previous poster said it would need a book to do them justice. In what was overall a bleak time for Waterford hurling these guys kept the flame alight.

I'm glad John Dalton was named. It might not be the most popular thing to say in the company of some, but he was one great player. I think he was the first player to hold Cork's Jimmy Barry-Murphy scoreless in a championship game which was no mean achievement. It would be the same as holding someone like Henry Sheflin scoreless now. Maybe it might have been an even greater achievement to hold JBM scoreless as Hurling was more competitive in the days when he was playing. There was more teams capible of winning each year anyway.

Some of the other names that were mentioned above were also great hurlers in their day and could hold their own in any company.

Straight Talker · 04-12-2012 6:35pm

Thank you for the replies.I think some historian needs to get working on a history of Waterford hurling book to ensure that these players get the recognition that they deserve.There have been books released in recent years documenting Corks hurling and football history and Henry Martin with his Unlimited Heartbreak book and The Mick Mackey story has done a great job at documenting Limericks hurling history.It's about time there was one done about Waterford.Of course there was no backdoor in those times and Waterford had to deal with very strong Cork and Limerick teams and a strong Clare team in the late 70's to get out of munster.In the 80's you had strong Cork and Limerick teams and Tipp also came good towards the end of that decade.So when you look it that way it's understandable how that era ended up being such a barren period.

comeraghs · 04-12-2012 6:41pm

Pat Bennett of Ballysaggart! The slowest forward ever to play inter-county ?????? & one of the best free takers!

Ballyvoile Boy · 04-12-2012 7:52pm

Black Suir wrote: »

Does anyone know if it is true that County Adult Board are about to abolish Bord na nÓg as it is in the County, it might even be a Croke Park thing. I saw someplace a while back that the officers of Adult County Board might get the right to pick the best people to run underage activities in the county. If it is correct it should be a welcome move because as it is Bord na nÓg in this county is a bit of a joke. There is some good Bord Bord na nÓg Officers in the county, so wont tar them all with the one brush, but in the main most of them are of a liability rather than an assett.

I'm new here, but yes you are right, Bord na nÓg has been abolished (I found this post by Googling). The adult chairman Tom Cunningham (or his successor) will be choosing who administers juvenile/underage games in the county from now on. It was announced last night at the agm and he said that it was a direct instruction to all co. chairmen from Liam O' Neill.

Juvenile clubs will have to make representations through their adult clubs, as they will have no power to elect a board or effect change of any kind in their own right. Apparently, it's coming in all over the country. I first noticed it when Louth scrapped theirs and it was in the papers.

The Waterford chairman also said that all divisional boards will be scrapped in Co. Waterford. He did however allow one last election last night and the incumbent Co. Bord na nOg were returned for one final year.

The ruling is an interpretation of rule 3.21 in the official guide. There were a few raised eyebrows at the looseness of the interpretation and the fact that there was no paperwork to accompany the decree. The whole decision was delivered verbally and no answer was given to questions about whether there was a letter, or minutes of a meeting to explain the decision.

deisebhoy17 · 04-12-2012 8:53pm

Ballyvoile Boy wrote: »

. The Waterford chairman also said that all divisional boards will be scrapped in Co. Waterford. He did however allow one last election last night and the incumbent Co. Bord na nOg were returned for one final year.

The ruling is an interpretation of rule 3.21 in the official guide. There were a few raised eyebrows at the looseness of the interpretation and the fact that there was no paperwork to accompany the decree. The whole decision was delivered verbally and no answer was given to questions about whether there was a letter, or minutes of a meeting to explain the decision.

This is positive news. Its the only way to do it. Just implement it everyone wants it yet if it goes to a vote you know whats going to keep happening. A step in the right direction hopefully

in the meantime... I just couldnt resist attaching

Teebor15 · 05-12-2012 1:30am

avonmore wrote: »

The late Davy Duggan

Is that the same davy duggan who runs the garage down poleberry? When did he pass on? Or isthere another davy duggan?

avonmore · 05-12-2012 11:48am

Teebor15 wrote: »

Is that the same davy duggan who runs the garage down poleberry? When did he pass on? Or isthere another davy duggan?

Sorry Teebor meant Sonny Walsh only to be included there. Thankfully from what I know Davy is very much alive thank God.

Apologies if I gave you a shock.:o

Teebor15 · 05-12-2012 7:21pm

avonmore wrote: »

Sorry Teebor meant Sonny Walsh only to be included there. Thankfully from what I know Davy is very much alive thank God.

Apologies if I gave you a shock.:o

You did yeah..i need to book the car in next week for a service!!

zol 2 · 07-12-2012 10:05pm

Congrats to Ian Kenny and Shane Roche who played on the UCC winning freshers team against LIT today. Ian was cornerback and Shane was at midfield and both had fine games. Nice to see 2 lads from Waterford making the first 15 at anytime on a UCC team as traditionally this college would have a large pool of players to pick from.Congrats again.

zol 2 · 07-12-2012 11:10pm

zol 2 wrote: »

Congrats to Ian Kenny and Shane Roche who played on the UCC winning freshers team against LIT today. Ian was cornerback and Shane was at midfield and both had fine games. Nice to see 2 lads from Waterford making the first 15 at anytime on a UCC team as traditionally this college would have a large pool of players to pick from.Congrats again.

Sorry guys i forgot to include Jamie Barron in this aswell today. Another fine prospect who scored 7 pts in this final today. Congrats to all 3 of the boys again.

thesultan · 08-12-2012 10:34pm

Bar Barron what clubs are the two boys from?

Mountainlad · 08-12-2012 11:49pm

thesultan wrote: »

Bar Barron what clubs are the two boys from?

Kenny is Mount Sion, and Shane Roche is Shamrocks Knockanore.

IanVW · 09-12-2012 9:11am

Ian Kenny is ballygunner

zol 2 · 09-12-2012 9:52am

Best of luck to Jason Ryan in his new post with Kildare senior footballers. It will be very interesting to see what exact role he plays with Kieran McGeeney? Good coach and a solid guy i hope it works out for him and Kildare.

thesultan · 09-12-2012 12:47pm

Any truth in the rumour of Offaly's free taker coming down to a city club?

suitcasepink · 09-12-2012 1:39pm

thesultan wrote: »

Any truth in the rumour of Offaly's free taker coming down to a city club?

Nahh he said himself on twitter its not true! (Sadly...)

ManFromCheese · 09-12-2012 2:57pm

thesultan wrote: »

Any truth in the rumour of Offaly's free taker coming down to a city club?

who is that

deisebhoy17 · 09-12-2012 9:06pm

ManFromCheese wrote: »

who is that

shane dooley takes the frees for offaly. doubt its him though

Mountainlad · 09-12-2012 10:52pm

IanVW wrote: »

Ian Kenny is ballygunner

Sorry, you're correct

zol 2 · 09-12-2012 11:09pm

thesultan wrote: »

Any truth in the rumour of Offaly's free taker coming down to a city club?

Ya Niall McNamee is going to Gaultier:D

alllcounty · 12-12-2012 5:56pm

I see the western board chairman Eddie Cunningham is up to his nasty tricks again. This time he has put forward a proposal on behalf of Tallow (much to the annoyance of many Tallow people) to reverse the progress made at minor club championships in Waterford since 2008. He wants the minor hurling and football championships to go back to a divided and weak west versus east championship. Not happy with holding back the standard and quality of games at intermediate and junior level he now wants to destroy the minor championship. This is Eddie Cunningham and nothing is more important to him other than his ego as chairman of a western board that has long past its purpose. Goodman Eddie, I don’t know any Waterford person who hates Waterford gaa as much as you do.

Jarjohn · 12-12-2012 7:29pm

Bit harsh to be abusing the man personally. Fully entitled to put forward a proposal. If it gets the necessary support then so be it. The main issue afaik is travelling down to Waterford from Tallow (50 miles?) and mentors, supporters and even some players trying to get off work if game set for 6.30.

zol 2 · 12-12-2012 7:52pm

alllcounty wrote: »

I see the western board chairman Eddie Cunningham is up to his nasty tricks again. This time he has put forward a proposal on behalf of Tallow (much to the annoyance of many Tallow people) to reverse the progress made at minor club championships in Waterford since 2008. He wants the minor hurling and football championships to go back to a divided and weak west versus east championship. Not happy with holding back the standard and quality of games at intermediate and junior level he now wants to destroy the minor championship. This is Eddie Cunningham and nothing is more important to him other than his ego as chairman of a western board that has long past its purpose. Goodman Eddie, I don’t know any Waterford person who hates Waterford gaa as much as you do.

What next! The 2 best county minor championships we've had in years were the last 2 where the standard of hurling was brilliant to watch and where anyone of 4 or 5 teams could have won them as the games were so close that the results could have gone either way on numerous occasions. As a result of these championships being run on a county basis the standard have increased dramatically,all for the betterment of our county teams to prosper from in years to come.
Lets be realistic here. The Western championship would be contested between St Carthages and Dungarvan for the foreseeable future with maybe Cappoquin and Abbeyside adding to it slightly whereas the Eastern championship would be very strong in comparison with the likes of DLS,Ballygunner,Mt.Sion,Roanmore and Butlerstown all competing for the eastern title. The idea of the championship being run on a county basis was to improve standards and quality of games and this has definitely been a success and the sooner the Intermediate and junior championships are run in this manner maybe then our county champions in these grades will be more competitive in the Munster club championships.
Where in gods name is the logic in going back to east versus west? Beggars belief the mentality of these old school delegates and their out of date ideas.

deisebhoy17 · 12-12-2012 9:29pm

Looks like werethe laughing stock again

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=182381

second year running is a year too many. time for heads to roll

solarith · 12-12-2012 11:59pm

zol 2 wrote: »

What next! The 2 best county minor championships we've had in years were the last 2 where the standard of hurling was brilliant to watch and where anyone of 4 or 5 teams could have won them as the games were so close that the results could have gone either way on numerous occasions. As a result of these championships being run on a county basis the standard have increased dramatically,all for the betterment of our county teams to prosper from in years to come.
Lets be realistic here. The Western championship would be contested between St Carthages and Dungarvan for the foreseeable future with maybe Cappoquin and Abbeyside adding to it slightly whereas the Eastern championship would be very strong in comparison with the likes of DLS,Ballygunner,Mt.Sion,Roanmore and Butlerstown all competing for the eastern title. The idea of the championship being run on a county basis was to improve standards and quality of games and this has definitely been a success and the sooner the Intermediate and junior championships are run in this manner maybe then our county champions in these grades will be more competitive in the Munster club championships.
Where in gods name is the logic in going back to east versus west? Beggars belief the mentality of these old school delegates and their out of date ideas.

It's proof enough he should be thrown out.

hardybuck · 13-12-2012 10:23am

Jarjohn wrote: »

Bit harsh to be abusing the man personally. Fully entitled to put forward a proposal. If it gets the necessary support then so be it. The main issue afaik is travelling down to Waterford from Tallow (50 miles?) and mentors, supporters and even some players trying to get off work if game set for 6.30.

Sure if that's the only obstacle it wouldn't be a huge exercise to ensure that trips of that distance weren't fixed for weekday nights.

deisebhoy17 · 13-12-2012 11:12am

Jarjohn wrote: »

Bit harsh to be abusing the man personally. Fully entitled to put forward a proposal. If it gets the necessary support then so be it. The main issue afaik is travelling down to Waterford from Tallow (50 miles?) and mentors, supporters and even some players trying to get off work if game set for 6.30.

Pretty lame excuse if thats the case. There are club players from all over the country who have to travel a lot further than 50 odd miles for training 2 or 3 evenings a week, some are even commuting from overseas in the current environment. If that is his reasons then its nothing short of pathetic.

Its ironic that this proposal has been put forward in a week where weve shown to have incurred massive financial losses for the second year running. Its obvious that the people running our county and divisional boards are not capable of making the right decisions to move GAA in the county forward.

Its pitiful

premierstone · 13-12-2012 12:27pm

deisebhoy17 wrote: »

Pretty lame excuse if thats the case. There are club players from all over the country who have to travel a lot further than 50 odd miles for training 2 or 3 evenings a week, some are even commuting from overseas in the current environment. If that is his reasons then its nothing short of pathetic.

Its ironic that this proposal has been put forward in a week where weve shown to have incurred massive financial losses for the second year running. Its obvious that the people running our county and divisional boards are not capable of making the right decisions to move GAA in the county forward.

Its pitiful

you are talking about school going minors tbf so the logic is not patethic as you have put it and infact most counties of any significant geographical size run their championship on a divisional basis.

hardybuck · 13-12-2012 1:06pm

premierstone wrote: »

you are talking about school going minors tbf so the logic is not patethic as you have put it and infact most counties of any significant geographical size run their championship on a divisional basis.

As I've mentioned previously, each club would only have a handful of games which involve that sort of travel. Maybe only a couple.

In the 2012 Minor hurling Div 1 there are 7 teams. 4 of them are city teams, then Dungarvan, Lismore and Naomh Brid?

Just looking at the fixtures, Lismore had to travel to DLS once, and then the rest of the games were at home or in Dungarvan. The DLS game in fairness was on a Wednesday evening - but for that one occasion a solution should be sought and play it on the weekend.

The proposal by Cunningham isn't driven by logistics anyway. Those sort of issues can be easily overcome on the rare occasion they present themselves.

This proposal is driven by fear. Fear that those who were big fish in small divisional pools will lose power and influence as the divisional boards are eventually disbanded.

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