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it baffles me that they would implement this at all if that's the case? why bother their arses putting the restriction in place if they will remove it for you if you ask or you can unlock it yourself with a local sim even outside of the country of origin?You just need a sim from the any EU mobile provider to activate, no need to actually be in the country and once it's activated you can use any sim regardless of region.
If you don't have access to a sim card from the original region then Samsung will unlock the device for you, but not sure how someone goes about doing that.
just seems like a total PR clusterfluck to me.
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it baffles me that they would implement this at all if that's the case? why bother their arses putting the restriction in place if they will remove it for you if you ask or you can unlock it yourself with a local sim even outside of the country of origin?
just seems like a total PR clusterfluck to me.
I agree, it's a terrible idea, but they are doing it to stop reseller/grey imports which can have a negative effect on their business as well as issues with returns.
The real problem was their communication of what was actually happening and not truly advertising what was going to happen.
The region lock won't affect over 90% of users and the other 10% will only have the minor issue of having to get it unlocked.
While I 100-percent think it is a pointless restriction to implement, it's not nearly as bad as originally reported due to the incorrect information on the stickers and the fact no retailers even knew about it until they got stock in.
The real issue for Samsung was that a lot of resellers would buy the cheaper stock in one region and sell it for higher in another, and since Samsung's warranty doesn't carry from one region to another and consumers who purchase a device from a different region won't have warranty in their on so Samsung are trying to put a stop to that and keep all devices in one region unless you specifically wish to import it yourself. I'm not 100-percent on that but it makes sense if true.0 -
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Why is it that these days contracts are even longer and the phones are even more expensive!?
The phones are more expensive because they are much much higher spec and have a lot more functionality than 2-3 years ago. For network operators to subsidise the more expensive phones they need to spread the cost over 18 or even 24 months rather than 12. The alternative to long contracts is to just buy the phone directly for the full price yourself and then purchase whatever service plan you want from whatever network operator you want. This is increasingly how the mobile phone market is going. In some countries it is already the prevalent model.
IMHO separating the purchase of the device from the provision of the service is a very good thing for consumers. Think of TV's. You don't have Sky / UPC selling you your TV at a discounted price in order to lock you into a long term contract do you so why should the people providing the mobile service sell you the hardware you need? It's an old business model which will eventually fade away. Just look at the 48 Months business model. You get your own phone, they give you a free sim and off you go using their network. http://www.48months.ie/freesim Simples
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I seem to remember paying €625 for a SIM free N97 when they were launched (yes, i know, the shame!The phones are more expensive because they are much much higher spec and have a lot more functionality than 2-3 years ago. For network operators to subsidise the more expensive phones they need to spread the cost over 18 or even 24 months rather than 12.), so i don't think that's the case.
I think it's just that the networks are finding new and interesting ways to screw the consumer out of more money over a longer period of time.0 -
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philthrill69 wrote: »Ah come on man, you can't just drop a bomb and tell us you've been using this phone we all want so much for the last month and say don't ask!
Battery life? Do the air gestures work without the S Pen?
Nope, the air gestures don't work without the pen. Although on the lock screen the images moves when you have your finger above the screen - When you have the pen out, you just click the button to bring up the Air command menu - the pen does need to be very near the phone though.
How about a photo of it taken with the Samsung Gear Watch........:D
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rabbitinlights wrote: »Nope, the air gestures don't work without the pen. Although on the lock screen the images moves when you have your finger above the screen - When you have the pen out, you just click the button to bring up the Air command menu - the pen does need to be very near the phone though.
How about a photo of it taken with the Samsung Gear Watch........:D
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Definitely looks like an S2 from that angle
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you don't happen to work in the banking sector do you? :pac:If that's true then people (as they invariably do) are choosing to be voluntarily screwed.
Why should the network operators not seek longer contract terms if people are prepared to sign up to them? Surely it's the network operators objective to maximise their profit and locking people into longer contracts will help them do that. How is that screwing the consumer when the consumer has alternative choices??? If lazy consumers don't research their options and sign up for long contracts they quickly regret then shame on them, not on the operators. It takes two willing parties to enter any contract.
Ben
(seriously, just kidding, don't want to be getting myself in trouble for slander!
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the problem with the whole "voluntarily screwed" thing is that not everyone has €600-800 to blow up front to get the latest and greatest smartphone.
NO, of course they don't NEED the latest and greatest smartphones, but the industry makes everyone want one to such a degree that they feel like they need it and for a lot of people, the pay monthly option is a quick fix of their electronic drug of choice.
I checked the UK mobile operators earlier to see what they had on offer for the Note 3 and ALL of them are only offering a 24 month contract now, so no doubt that will be the way it goes in Ireland before too long as we follow suit.
personally it doesn't make much difference to me either way as whether it's a mobile phone purchase or a mobile phone bill, it all goes down as a business expense, but not everyone is so lucky.0 -
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that's fine from a business perspective for the companies involved, but i don't get why it bothers you so much that i object to it from a consumer perspective?
unless you are actually the head of a major mobile operator, you are effectively arguing against your own best interests as a consumer?
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that's fine from a business perspective for the companies involved, but i don't get why it bothers you so much that i object to it from a consumer perspective?
unless you are actually the head of a major mobile operator, you are effectively arguing against your own best interests as a consumer?
You're right Vibe, from a consumers perspective I can't understand why 12 and 18 month contracts are no longer available, it's unbelievable. No wait, hang on, as a consumer I'm also capable of understanding the business logic (even though I don't work for a network operator) so it turns out I can't pretend to be upset or shocked or accuse the network operators of "screwing" me because what they are doing is totally logical.
I bet you don't go into Tesco looking for burger buns for a BBQ and accuse them of screwing you because all suppliers of burger buns want you to buy a minimum of six buns :eek: Shock horror :eek::eek::eek:
Pedro - I promise not to talk about the scandalous way network operators offer subsidised phones to people who can't afford to buy them any more :rolleyes:
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