Elite armed squad to tackle gangland crime in Limerick

JonAnderton · 15-09-2008 2:07pm

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Even i find some of the new post to be ridiculous

Lol..i love this guy..lol

Fyr.Fytr · 15-09-2008 2:10pm

Whoah easy tiger!

Nice compliment though, oh we're just friends

Gavin · 15-09-2008 2:20pm

It's a fairly safe bet that someone called Lord Haw-Haw is a troll and not to be bothered with.

Fyr.Fytr · 15-09-2008 2:26pm

Its fun to taunt them, while taking no real notice of them. like teasing animals in the zoo with food, then buggering off lol

lordhawhaw · 15-09-2008 2:33pm

Ok lads,

Fair enough. I read through the entire thread. Jon we may be on diametrically opposite sides of the fence. So I'm gonna sit my ass back on the fence. I didnt offend any right thinking Gardai though. Mistakes have been made and will be made. As for barricades and sieges, yep totally civilian, for the Gardai. As for other events, I apologise for bringing them up. I'm certainly proud of the gardai but people have pushed for this paramilitarisation for a bit too long.

dredre · 15-09-2008 2:43pm

lordhawhaw wrote: »

Ok lads,

Fair enough. I read through the entire thread. Jon we may be on diametrically opposite sides of the fence. So I'm gonna sit my ass back on the fence. I didnt offend any right thinking Gardai though. Mistakes have been made and will be made. As for barricades and sieges, yep totally civilian, for the Gardai. As for other events, I apologise for bringing them up. I'm certainly proud of the gardai but people have pushed for this paramilitarisation for a bit too long.

I am not a guard. I do think your post would offend any right thinking guard. References to "idiot Gardai" are uncalled for. You should retract this or be barred.

You should also bear in mind that the Gardai have plenty of experience of "restraint, negotiation and soft power" since 1922. The majority are still unarmed.

Your posts do not help a debate which is important.

There are valid questions and concerns internationally and domestically regarding the use of firearms by police. There is also a large cultural sea-change needed in Ireland (among civilians, guards and military) to accept the increasing use and visibility of firearms by gardai.

I feel that some of the posts from serving officers on this issue are overly defensive and stifle debate. However, inflammatory posts like yours do not encourage a frank discussion.

civdef · 15-09-2008 7:00pm

i'm begining to think that certain posters should have a 'warning:this poster does not base his opinion on any factual evidence and although Ignorant to the topic,still feels qualified to level judgement' stuck on the top of his post

Something like that is being worked on, the level of credibility exhibited on this forum has taken a nosedive in the last 24 hours thanks to some newish contributors, and it is not planned to have that continue.

djtechnics1210 · 15-09-2008 8:00pm

lordhawhaw wrote: »

I am well aware to the Gardai's presence in Cypress.

Karlitosway can you say for certain that the ERU learned lessons from Abbeylara?

A small phone call to professonals would have helped!

5 mins of Siege strategy for Dummies , designed for especially for Gardai, politically promoted beyond any sense of ability.

Also an Garda Siochana need only certify a civil emergency and request the Minister to deploy the Rangers.

The men and women of the defence forcess who have served over a million days of restraint and negotiation and soft power in the worlds hot spots and would be able to teach the Gardai some proper peacekeeping techniques.

I dont like the idea of our own Civilian Police using the H&K mk7 that all.

if a situation calls for the deployment of that sort of fire power the Rangers ought be called in.

surely you will agree with me, Karlitosway.......

Lord Haw Haw, from your comments i take it that you are not a serving member - if you are then you have yet to meet the b**l breaking training called TACTICAL. every aspect of abbeylara was dragged through with a fine tooth comb and then re-examined again and again by senior officers and third parties, aswell as outside bodies. As a direct result of this a member will not even be considered for a known firearm threat if they have not completed firearm training and tactical training with firearms. The training involves every aspect being repeated over and over and over again until you can do it in your sleep so that you eliminate "red mist" and hyper stress when it is done for real (oh and its taught by professionals trained to best international and european practice) and in case you didnt know it members of the ERU actually go over to other armed intervention units throughout europe and show them there methods of armed intervention (they must be good at what they do if other police forces want to learn from them). ERU are involved in armed confrontations everyday, all go off without a hitch. Im all for good healthy debates but please dont make statements regarding ERU/ARW when you cant support them and clearly know very little about the matter at hand. Something for you to think about
(1) Arw train for warfare/anti terrorist/conflict situations in theaters of war
(2) Eru train solely for armed intervention in hostage/gun situations
............If your being held hostage, who would you rather come through the door???????

exbootie · 15-09-2008 11:56pm

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Lord Haw Haw, from your comments i take it that you are not a serving member - if you are then you have yet to meet the b**l breaking training called TACTICAL. every aspect of abbeylara was dragged through with a fine tooth comb and then re-examined again and again by senior officers and third parties, aswell as outside bodies. As a direct result of this a member will not even be considered for a known firearm threat if they have not completed firearm training and tactical training with firearms. The training involves every aspect being repeated over and over and over again until you can do it in your sleep so that you eliminate "red mist" and hyper stress when it is done for real (oh and its taught by professionals trained to best international and european practice) and in case you didnt know it members of the ERU actually go over to other armed intervention units throughout europe and show them there methods of armed intervention (they must be good at what they do if other police forces want to learn from them). ERU are involved in armed confrontations everyday, all go off without a hitch. Im all for good healthy debates but please dont make statements regarding ERU/ARW when you cant support them and clearly know very little about the matter at hand. Something for you to think about
(1) Arw train for warfare/anti terrorist/conflict situations in theaters of war
(2) Eru train solely for armed intervention in hostage/gun situations
............If your being held hostage, who would you rather come through the door???????

Can you name these Euro Police forces you claim the ERU instruct ?

Athy bank raid 91, the ERU opened up on armed raiders with a combat shotgun and uzi's (a weapon total unsuitable for ERUs due to its inaccuracy over 20m, originally designed for Israeli paras for FIBU house clearing), wounding 19 civilians in the st, RTE news said the op was a major success....FACT.

Eru · 16-09-2008 12:02am

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Its fun to taunt them, while taking no real notice of them. like teasing animals in the zoo with food, then buggering off lol

Your a sick man Fyr, a sick man

And my ignore list is fast overtaking my friend list seeing as I just added our elite mercenary / barrister friend (now thats a barrack room lawyer.

yayamark · 16-09-2008 12:11am

Unfortunately over the last few weeks this forum has not been a fun place to be. Too many cooks and all that.

I think this forum is a victim of its own success.

It was fun, lively and interesting when it started off a few months ago. I liked giving my two pence on what i know not what i think i know and i liked listening to members stories of what goes on in their station.

A lot of bull has been written and some regulars are responding to this bull, personally i wouldnt waste my precious time on these "Walters".

I can see this forum going down hill fast unless the mods get a grip on the time wasters here, not saying that the mods aren't doing there job:).

Here's hoping.

deadwood · 16-09-2008 12:13am

exbootie wrote: »

Athy bank raid 91, the ERU opened up on armed raiders with a combat shotgun and uzi's (a weapon total unsuitable for ERUs due to its inaccuracy over 20m, originally designed for Israeli paras for FIBU house clearing), wounding 19 civilians in the st, RTE news said the op was a major success....FACT.

Bootylicious,
It'd help if you'd post reliable links to support your facts and figures. I'm guessing some of the posters here, maybe yourself included, weren't even born or were toddlers then.

+1 for Yaya's post from me.

Duffers · 16-09-2008 12:21am

exbootie wrote: »

*3671*89

If I gave the full number potentially you could access my social security details.

Hey folks, I was just browsing the forum and came across this.
Marines service numbers either begin with 300 or PO in the case of the older numbers.

Answer these, ex bootie

Which side is the 25 metre range at 42 as you go through the camp gate, left or right?

As you enter the main gate of CTC, is Dutchy's to the left of the guard room or the right?

What is the most gopping thing of all the menus in a ration pack?

Who would you most likely hear the phrase 'Tup, three' from?

Is Arbers a hoofin run ashore?

Fyr.Fytr · 16-09-2008 3:20am

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Your a sick man Fyr, a sick man

And my ignore list is fast overtaking my friend list seeing as I just added our elite mercenary / barrister friend (now thats a barrack room lawyer.

i do try master, i do try

petergfiffin · 16-09-2008 9:37am

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Another point, people speak about the Rangers handling situations but its the ERU that handles hostage situations and armed incidents within the Republic.

Not 100% accurate. A defined role of the ARW is and always has been hostage rescue (http://www.military.ie/army/ranger/roles.htm) and they practice this on a constant basis, however this has always been an ATCP (Aid to the Civil Power) role, and would only be in co-operation with the Guards.

The ERU may also do hostage rescue but I think the distinction is in the type of situation. Typically (and internationally) if it's along the lines of criminal holed up somewhere then it's a matter for the police forces, if it's a terrorist or exceptional situation e.g. explosives involved, then typically it will be handled by the military. This reflects the focus of both types of units, police units are typically used where you are hoping to have a non-lethal outcome, deploying military units is basically taking the gloves off, and people WILL be killed. For example I think it's the French who, when they breach a plane, presume anybody standing to be a terrorist and is shot without hesitation.

Whatever people think of Abbeylara and how it was handled (and I have my own opinions) it was a civil matter, can you imagine if he had been shot by a sniper from an army SF team??!!! The press would have had a field-day. Horses for courses!!

I would issue one word of caution, all this cross-pollution of roles and inter-agency rivalry is exactly what contributed to 9/11...play nice

metman · 16-09-2008 10:46am

Duffers wrote: »

Hey folks, I was just browsing the forum and came across this.
Marines service numbers either begin with 300 or PO in the case of the older numbers.

Answer these, ex bootie

Which side is the 25 metre range at 42 as you go through the camp gate, left or right?

As you enter the main gate of CTC, is Dutchy's to the left of the guard room or the right?

What is the most gopping thing of all the menus in a ration pack?

Who would you most likely hear the phrase 'Tup, three' from?

Is Arbers a hoofin run ashore?

Hey Duffers, welcome to the forum. Methinks you know a bit more about the corps than exbootie. Sadly the forum has been discovered by the clan mcwalter and we are presently under siege, however normal service should be resumed shortly.

Paulzx · 16-09-2008 11:04am

[QUOTE=metman;57270153 Sadly the forum has been discovered by the clan mcwalter and we are presently under siege, however normal service should be resumed shortly.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that. Its an emergency services forum. How the f*^k have we ended up talking about the Royal Marines and the SAS etc.!!!

Sorry have to hurry off. I'm in the middle of training for ARW selection. Oh sh*t . Did i just say that?. Oh noooooooooo!!. I'm infected with the dreaded notifiable disease known as Walter Mittyitus. Any doctors around here know a cure? Actually i think i'm a brain surgeon aswell so i'll just cure muself:rolleyes:

Please, please, please get rid of these spanners

metman · 16-09-2008 11:47am

Amen to that. Its an emergency services forum. How the f*^k have we ended up talking about the Royal Marines and the SAS etc.!!!

Perhaps an approach of 'if you want to talk about the military, take it to the military forum', ignore the advice and get reprimanded, as well as tightening up on off-topic postings?

As for waltering, if the mods were amenable, members can flag up the post as a possible instance of waltering, to be then examined by a mod and suitable action taken?

It'd be nice to be able to rely on people to behave like adults but this forum, like so many others that cover such topics, will attract fantasists and as already mentioned is now becoming a victim of its own success.

Ultimately I am feeling less inclined to visit this site as its becoming like the school playground, i.e my dad is bigger than your dad, rangers better than seals, MP7 better than M16, transformers better than star wars.....:rolleyes: get a life! If it carries on like this, well suffice to say I've better things to do than spend my time reading about the fictional experiences of 17 year olds who've done it all already. Its embarrassing and if not addressed will do this forum damage.

civdef · 16-09-2008 8:11pm

I'm agreeing here guys, it's just taking a while to come up with a feasible way of doing things in accordance with forum rules. In the meantime, a narrower definition of what's off topic than before will be applied.

Im going to close this thread too, it appears to have run its course, and is currently about the only place the special forces foolishness resides.

Elite armed squad to tackle gangland crime in Limerick

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