Anxiety and/or depression discussion.

CZ 453 · 15-09-2014 6:56pm

Roquentin wrote: »

well im unemployed at the moment, but the days and weeks seem to fly by. il be an old man soon. im in a midlife crisis:pac:

Life flies by regardless. For me, doing something new or enjoyable allows me to reflect on the week positively. It can fly by or it can fly by with memories.

fr336 · 15-09-2014 6:57pm

Anxiety sky high. Can't function. Where do I go from here

Roquentin · 15-09-2014 7:00pm

shezer wrote: »

Life flies by regardless. For me, doing something new or enjoyable allows me to reflect on the week positively. It can fly by or it can fly by with memories.

i think that im no longer young and there is so much expectation and responsibility on me, i just want go back to being young (14/15/16). that was a good time. I had my whole life ahead of me. needless to say it hasnt turned out how i dreamt.

when i was young the world was a great place and everyone was nice. As you grow older you it is not the case.

Roquentin · 15-09-2014 7:01pm

fr336 wrote: »

Anxiety sky high. Can't function. Where do I go from here

GP for medication id say

CZ 453 · 15-09-2014 7:03pm

fr336 wrote: »

Anxiety sky high. Can't function. Where do I go from here

Nowhere. Stop. Go to your safe place. Think about nothing but the here and now. Forget the stressors. Take the 1 minute to look at your surroundings. Every little thing that makes it your safe place(eg. Strong walls that keep people out or a roof that keeps out the rain).

allandanyways · 15-09-2014 7:03pm

Family not speaking to me, had to ask them for money again.

Can't get a handle on my spending. No idea where the money goes.

Just want to black out for a few months and get over this.

fr336 · 15-09-2014 7:03pm

Roquentin wrote: »

GP for medication id say

Thanks for the fast reply. I've resisted medication for a long time, I just can't handle the risks for what is sleep deprivation issues at its root. Get more sleep, build up a few nights of sleep and I become a different person. It's just decluttering my head and lots of things going right at the same time for this to come round again...I stupidly threw away the last opportunity by getting into a bad diet again.

fr336 · 15-09-2014 7:05pm

shezer wrote: »

Nowhere. Stop. Go to your safe place. Think about nothing but the here and now. Forget the stressors. Take the 1 minute to look at your surroundings. Every little thing that makes it your safe place(eg. Strong walls that keep people out or a roof that keeps out the rain).

I wish I had a safe place. My worst enemies are my own family - seemingly willfully ignorant of what I'm going through despite telling them both in speech and word countless times. It boils down to them not actually giving a toss and being stupid mindless individuals. If it was the rest of their family rather than a son who has grown up late but shown potential, they'd crawl over broken glass. Said family treats them badly, go figure.

Argh hate to feel sorry for myself but I am so much better than this :mad::(

CZ 453 · 15-09-2014 7:05pm

Roquentin wrote: »

i think that im no longer young and there is so much expectation and responsibility on me, i just want go back to being young (14/15/16). that was a good time. I had my whole life ahead of me. needless to say it hasnt turned out how i dreamt.

when i was young the world was a great place and everyone was nice. As you grow older you it is not the case.

Are you a parent or carer?

Roquentin · 15-09-2014 7:07pm

fr336 wrote: »

Thanks for the fast reply. I've resisted medication for a long time, I just can't handle the risks for what is sleep deprivation issues at its root. Get more sleep, build up a few nights of sleep and I become a different person. It's just decluttering my head and lots of things going right at the same time for this to come round again...I stupidly threw away the last opportunity by getting into a bad diet again.

i couldnt survive without my meds. ok some of them knock me out cold like a zombie (not good for job interviews) but id take comfortably numb over anxiety any day.

Roquentin · 15-09-2014 7:09pm

shezer wrote: »

Are you a parent or carer?

no. profound loner. i think i need to get work. But i cant work with people. a farm would suit me.

fr336 · 15-09-2014 7:11pm

Roquentin wrote: »

i couldnt survive without my meds. ok some of them knock me out cold like a zombie (not good for job interviews) but id take comfortably numb over anxiety any day.

Is there not risks of them changing your thinking e.g. suicidal thoughts etc? I appreciate these may be slim risks, and I respect all who take meds over anxiety, but for me personally I'm over the top anyway and I feel that a few things coming together can solve this for me naturally. It is bloody torture though

Every sound, hell even the sound of silence sometimes, gets on my nerves, no mental energy to speak of, likewise physical much of the time...just a completely but utter mess. Yet I want to get through it alone

:rolleyes:

Dr.Alucard · 15-09-2014 7:30pm

Roquentin wrote: »

no. profound loner. i think i need to get work. But i cant work with people. a farm would suit me.

I know what you mean, i struggled a bit with social anxiety today, worst day in a longtime for me and im glad im home again, cant wait to shower i was saturated with sweat and feeling sick. If this college thing doesn't work out for me ive been considering jobs that doesn't involve interaction with lot of people, the one that fits that description is lorry driving. Im definitely gonna get a licence and drive lorrys for a living!!!

is mise spartacus · 15-09-2014 8:51pm

I take back what I said yesterday
Today was the worst day I've ever had.
I'm in a deep depression that suddenly engulfed me like a wave
It feels like I'm drowning

CZ 453 · 15-09-2014 9:01pm

is mise spartacus wrote: »

I take back what I said yesterday
Today was the worst day I've ever had.
I'm in a deep depression that suddenly engulfed me like a wave
It feels like I'm drowning

What happened?

is mise spartacus · 15-09-2014 9:05pm

shezer wrote: »

What happened?

I don't know, I was fine until I was in school and the anxiety and depression hit me I've been in a deep dark mood ever since. Hopefully it's just a hiccup with the medication

CZ 453 · 15-09-2014 9:06pm

Delayed reaction to something maybe?

is mise spartacus · 15-09-2014 9:10pm

I assumed that but I don't know what it could be

Roquentin · 15-09-2014 9:47pm

Dr.Alucard wrote: »

I know what you mean, i struggled a bit with social anxiety today, worst day in a longtime for me and im glad im home again, cant wait to shower i was saturated with sweat and feeling sick. If this college thing doesn't work out for me ive been considering jobs that doesn't involve interaction with lot of people, the one that fits that description is lorry driving. Im definitely gonna get a licence and drive lorrys for a living!!!

thats a good idea. I may look into that myself.

i

Esel · 15-09-2014 10:34pm

^ We got us a convoy!

is mise spartacus · 15-09-2014 10:37pm

first time crying since starting my meds properly in march/April
horrible

fr336 · 15-09-2014 10:54pm

is mise spartacus wrote: »

I take back what I said yesterday
Today was the worst day I've ever had.
I'm in a deep depression that suddenly engulfed me like a wave
It feels like I'm drowning

Same

handbagmad · 16-09-2014 1:00am

Smile though ur heart is aching
Smile even though it's breaking
When there are clouds in the sky
You'll get by.

damn such a simple song, hitting my heart tonight

cloud493 · 16-09-2014 8:52am

'After all this has passed, I still will remain
After I've cried my last, there'll be beauty from pain
Though it won't be today, someday I'll hope again
And there'll be beauty from pain
You will bring beauty from my pain'

handbagmad · 16-09-2014 10:35pm

How's everyone doing.

alaskayoung · 16-09-2014 11:07pm

Had a full blown panic attack while out walking today. So overwhelmed with life at the moment. Couldn't breathe and my throat just closed up

Scary as hell. In a way I was kind of relieved to feel some emotion though, I feel like I'm in a trance most of the time..

cloudatlas · 17-09-2014 9:00am

No idea where to go from here. I am more or less homeless not in the most awful sense but I have to rely on the kindness of others, my pride has taken a massive hit. Everything seems so simple to other people I get criticized and it is implied that I'm not employing my best efforts to get out of the situation. Other people seem unable to empathise unless they find themselves in a similar situation. I know I'm not happy here but there is no other choice.

Gremlinertia · 17-09-2014 9:12am

Can you contact Threshold perhaps? I was briefly homeless myself, and relying on other people at the time made my mindset worse, so went to Simon charity instead who helped out. One step at a time..

cloudatlas · 17-09-2014 9:47am

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Can you contact Threshold perhaps? I was briefly homeless myself, and relying on other people at the time made my mindset worse, so went to Simon charity instead who helped out. One step at a time..

Thanks for the advice. When I said not in the most 'awful sense' I meant that I'm not under threat of being on the streets but I still have to live with others until I'm am financially secure enough to move out. Those charities do tremendous work.

Gremlinertia · 17-09-2014 9:52am

I hope it's something you can rectify soon, relying on friends isn't always good for the self-esteem, though that might just be me..

Killer_banana · 17-09-2014 1:40pm

Relatively okay last two days. Now I have to work and I'm struggling to get out of bed. I was feeling so decent yesterday decided not bother with the go like I planned. I really hope I don't have to go go me early again.

I even had a panic attack in a dream. I am so ****ed up.

Roquentin · 17-09-2014 5:29pm

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turn your anxiety into something positive

CZ 453 · 17-09-2014 5:50pm

Roquentin wrote: »

turn your anxiety into something positive

Fear and Anxiety are different.No???

Roquentin · 17-09-2014 5:59pm

shezer wrote: »

Fear and Anxiety are different.No???

well if you know kafka, his fear was the anxiety he felt in life, particularly about who he was.

if you could rewind the domino's backwards from anxiety, you would find often that fear was the first domino to fall. Anxiety comes from flight or fight response and the fight or flight comes from fear. What happens with man is the mind mixes up situations where it shouldnt feel anxiety, which means the mind is appropriating fear to a situation it should not. often this anxiety comes from a deep rooted insecurity of oneself, which is what kafka had. he saw others as threats, but only because he saw himself as weak. No fear, no anxiety

edit: if you notice as well he has the word fear in quotes. he is trying to emphasize his anxiety. The Trial is really the corner stone of how he portrays this anxiety. A man is arrested for a crime he does not commit and is flaunted before the public. Basically the world and its people attack him, but he knows not what for. Its a brilliant metaphor (although hard to read book) for the anxiety individuals feel when silhouetted against the world

is mise spartacus · 17-09-2014 8:50pm

Relevant lyrics right now:
Hold on, baby, you're losing it
The water's high, you're jumping into it
And letting go... and no one knows
That you cry, but you don't tell anyone
That you might not be the golden one
And you're tied together with a smile
But you're coming undone

kronsington · 18-09-2014 2:29am

Anyone in here practice meditation? Been reading up about it and keen to give it a try

Esel · 18-09-2014 2:57am

kronsington wrote: »

Anyone in here practice meditation? Been reading up about it and keen to give it a try

In one way it is a bit like exercise / running / going to the gym / learning to play a musical instrument - for it to work, you have to keep at it.

A simple method I find very effective:

Sit comfortably somewhere quiet. Close your eyes. Breathe naturally but maybe a bit slower than usual. Use your diaphragm (this bit is important). Counter-intuitively, when breathing in (your belly goes out if you are using your diaphragm) mentally say the word 'out'. Then, when breathing out, mentally say the word 'in'. So, when belly goes out, think 'out' and when your belly goes in, think 'in'.

Thoughts will intrude, always, for everyone. When you notice this, just return to your breathing, silently saying 'out' and 'in' as you breathe in and out.

The above paragraph is the important one! Don't be discouraged by the distraction, just return your focus to your breathing. This bit is very important - even crucial.

Ten to twenty minutes twice a day is often recommended, but even a minute or less when you can is great. You don't even have to close your eyes sometimes! You can do it in work, on the bus, walking down the street, waiting in a queue, etc.

A single cycle of slow(er) breathing using your diaphragm can work wonders in helping you to relax.

Breathing using your diaphragm is the thing. You can do it after getting into bed to sleep, and it can help a lot in falling asleep.

As I said above, keep at it. Don't be discouraged if it is difficult at first.

Edit: If doing the 10/20 minute version, loosen anything tight around your waist so your diaphragm can do its job.

Diaphragmatic breathing is what we should use all the time tbh - unless we need a major inhalation for some reason, in which case use the upper (think rib cage) muscles as well.

Non-diaphragmatic breathing does not promote relaxation, imo.

Using your diaphragm to breathe, and the benefits it brings, are well worth the effort - again imo.

Also added: the sentence in bold above.

Roquentin · 18-09-2014 1:37pm

kronsington wrote: »

Anyone in here practice meditation? Been reading up about it and keen to give it a try

i do cycling. has a similar effect. just go off on a fine day at your own pace, down by lakes. very nice. trust me you should try it. Its a bit more difficult to find a good day during the winter, so i stick to short 15km journeys. but during the summer i would do 70/80 at a time

handbagmad · 18-09-2014 5:41pm

This hot Sticky weather is driving me insane.

Roquentin · 18-09-2014 6:08pm

handbagmad wrote: »

This hot Sticky weather is driving me insane.

find it hard to sleep alright. can only imagine what qatar is like without air con

fr336 · 18-09-2014 6:39pm

Breathing so hard today..so shallow..a midst of anxiety over me. Got to take the first step towards freedom again and never look back (exercise..diet..exercise..diet)

fr336 · 18-09-2014 6:59pm

shezer wrote: »

Went for a run/jog/walk today. Good god, I thought I was done for at one stage. I'm off out for another walk later. I'm going to aim for a walk a day and see how that goes. Meds are fine.

I find it easier in the autumn / winter. No heat baking me and crowds getting in the way (sorry, but some people are just like buzzing bees standing around doing not much at all)

Rogaine2 · 18-09-2014 7:00pm

Roquentin wrote: »

well if you know kafka, his fear was the anxiety he felt in life, particularly about who he was.

if you could rewind the domino's backwards from anxiety, you would find often that fear was the first domino to fall. Anxiety comes from flight or fight response and the fight or flight comes from fear. What happens with man is the mind mixes up situations where it shouldnt feel anxiety, which means the mind is appropriating fear to a situation it should not. often this anxiety comes from a deep rooted insecurity of oneself, which is what kafka had. he saw others as threats, but only because he saw himself as weak. No fear, no anxiety

edit: if you notice as well he has the word fear in quotes. he is trying to emphasize his anxiety. The Trial is really the corner stone of how he portrays this anxiety. A man is arrested for a crime he does not commit and is flaunted before the public. Basically the world and its people attack him, but he knows not what for. Its a brilliant metaphor (although hard to read book) for the anxiety individuals feel when silhouetted against the world

What is the name of the book?

CZ 453 · 18-09-2014 7:02pm

fr336 wrote: »

I find it easier in the autumn / winter. No heat baking me and crowds getting in the way (sorry, but some people are just like buzzing bees standing around doing not much at all)

:pac: A picture of aimless robots walking into each other just popped into my head

Roquentin · 18-09-2014 7:05pm

Rogaine2 wrote: »

What is the name of the book?

The Trial. it serves as a metaphor for such and such an anxiety that i mentioned. Its not an easy book to read. some of camus's books which share similar themes (the stranger) are much easier to read.

fr336 · 18-09-2014 7:06pm

shezer wrote: »

:pac: A picture of aimless robots walking into each other just popped into my head

If you're not near the sea I just can't stand too hot / sticky weather. I love sun with a nice breeze but that is rare where I am, it's just plain mugginess. On and let's not start on the fat blokes going topless..:eek::o

Roquentin · 18-09-2014 7:09pm

fr336 wrote: »

If you're not near the sea I just can't stand too hot / sticky weather. I love sun with a nice breeze but that is rare where I am, it's just plain mugginess. On and let's not start on the fat blokes going topless..:eek::o

have to admit i share similar views. was asked to go over to spain this summer and turned it down, purely because i cant hack that heat. Ok in the day time you can be in the pool, but ****ing hell at night it gets serious, even with air con.

have to admit i love the winter. escpecially the cool summer days that merge into the cool starry nights

CZ 453 · 18-09-2014 7:11pm

Roquentin wrote: »

have to admit i share similar views. was asked to go over to spain this summer and turned it down, purely because i cant hack that heat. Ok in the day time you can be in the pool, but ****ing hell at night it gets serious, even with air con.

have to admit i love the winter. escpecially the cool summer days that merge into the cool starry nights

There is a lovely breeze in Lanzarote at night. Mainland Spain is a nightmare at night

fr336 · 18-09-2014 7:11pm

Roquentin wrote: »

have to admit i share similar views. was asked to go over to spain this summer and turned it down, purely because i cant hack that heat. Ok in the day time you can be in the pool, but ****ing hell at night it gets serious, even with air con.

have to admit i love the winter. escpecially the cool summer days that merge into the cool starry nights

Yeah I feel from here on in the weather has lots of character about it too...it just feels more interesting

:D

Roquentin · 18-09-2014 9:57pm

tis roasting alright tonight lads and ladies

Anxiety and/or depression discussion.

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