Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Out of Bounds rule and water hazard

Options
2»

Comments

  • Options
    #32
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    GreeBo wrote: »
    No point in waiting until its an issue, Id rather give them the chance to either learn the rule or realise that I know it.

    Now in a match on the other hand...

    For most it wouldn't be an issue as they'd know the ruling anyway. Calling a provisional is like learning to walk in golf. Hence not calling has its implications too.


  • Options
    #33
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,088 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Slicemeister wrote: »
    What would they normally reply with?

    "what does it matter"


  • Options
    #34
    Slicemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    GreeBo wrote: »
    "what does it matter"

    :-).

    Monty Python stuff.


  • Options
    #35
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Nope, you cannot declare a ball lost, ever.
    A ball is deemed lost if not found and identified within 5 mins or another ball is put into play.

    You dont have to look for it, but you cannot stop someone else looking.

    You can declare it unplayable anywhere on the course though. End result is the same.


  • Options
    #36
    kieran.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭kieran.


    Boskowski wrote: »
    You can declare it unplayable anywhere on the course though. End result is the same.

    You need to find to it first to declare it unplayable?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #37
    SnowDrifts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,733 ✭✭✭SnowDrifts


    kieran. wrote: »
    You need to find to it first to declare it unplayable?

    28/1
    When Necessary to Find and Identify Ball Deemed Unplayable

    Q.A player hits his tee shot into a deep canyon. The player immediately deems the ball unplayable and plays another ball from the tee under the stroke-and-distance option of Rule 28. May a player deem unplayable a ball which has not been found?

    A.Yes. A player may proceed under the stroke-and-distance option (Rule 28a) without finding his ball.

    However, since Rules 28b and 28c require reference to where the ball lay, the player must find and identify his ball in order to proceed under either of these options.


  • Options
    #38
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,088 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Boskowski wrote: »
    You can declare it unplayable anywhere on the course though. End result is the same.

    End result is not the same, say you have got a Provo 1inch from the hole, you can't declare the original unplayable or lost, you can't prevent someone looking for it if they find out then you can declare it unplayable but the provi is no longer in play.
    So you have to declare unplayable before you out another in play and you can never declare it lost.

    My earlier reference to 28-2 was irrelevant as it's only pertinent if a Provo had been played.


  • Options
    #39
    whizbang
    Registered Users Posts: 1,924 ✭✭✭whizbang


    Q.A player hits his tee shot into a deep canyon. The player immediately deems the ball unplayable and plays another ball from the tee under the stroke-and-distance option of Rule 28. May a player deem unplayable a ball which has not been found?

    A.Yes.
    (Rule 28a)

    28/1, which says in effect that a player may proceed under the stroke-and-distance option of the unplayable ball Rule without finding his ball

    Rule 28b, Rule 28c, need reference to the original ball for positioning, so this (Rule 28a) allows replay from the tee. (without finding the original)

    Decision 28/2 is in relation to a player who hit a second provisional from the tee. ie 3 balls!


  • Options
    #40
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,088 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    whizbang wrote: »
    (Rule 28a)

    28/1, which says in effect that a player may proceed under the stroke-and-distance option of the unplayable ball Rule without finding his ball

    Rule 28b, Rule 28c, need reference to the original ball for positioning, so this (Rule 28a) allows replay from the tee. (without finding the original)

    Decision 28/2 is in relation to a player who hit a second provisional from the tee. ie 3 balls!

    Exactly which is why lost != unplayable.

    A ball can be deemed lost irrespective of a provisional being in play, the same is not true for unplayable.


  • Options
    #41
    SaveOurLyric
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭SaveOurLyric


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Exactly which is why lost != unplayable.

    So are you saying its possible to play a lost ball ?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #42
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,088 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    SaveOurLyric wrote: »
    So are you saying its possible to play a lost ball ?

    No I'm saying you can declare it unplayable but not lost and they are not the same thing.


  • Options
    #43
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    You didn't take an unplayable. You took a provisional.
    Once the first ball is found its in play. You can take an unplayable from there, but not play the ball that's actually not in play (the provisional).
    The provisional only comes into play when your 1st ball is truly lost. I've seen people not look too hard at times.

    That's how I read it but open to correction.


  • Options
    #44
    alxmorgan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    Boskowski wrote: »
    You didn't take an unplayable. You took a provisional.
    Once the first ball is found its in play. You can take an unplayable from there, but not play the ball that's actually not in play (the provisional).
    The provisional only comes into play when your 1st ball is truly lost. I've seen people not look too hard at times.

    That's how I read it but open to correction.

    He only took a provisional if he deemed it so before hitting.
    If he hit into the cabbage, decided he did not want to find it, hit again without declaring it provisional - then the second ball is the one in play and the first one is irrelevant whether found or not.


  • Options
    #45
    GreeBo
    Registered Users Posts: 27,088 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Bottom line(s):
    - You cannot declare a ball lost.
    - You do not have to look for a ball.
    - Anyone else can look for your ball, if they find it within 5 mins or before you have made another ball the ball in play your provisional is no longer an option.
    - You can declare a ball unplayable at any time.
    - A ball hit without being declared a provisional is now the ball in play under stroke and distance penalty.


  • Options
    #46
    blackwhite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Bottom line(s):
    - You cannot declare a ball lost.
    - You do not have to look for a ball.
    - Anyone else can look for your ball, if they find it within 5 mins or before you have made another ball the ball in play your provisional is no longer an option.
    - You can declare a ball unplayable at any time.
    - A ball hit without being declared a provisional is now the ball in play under stroke and distance penalty.

    It's quite worrying how many golfers seem to struggle with the last part (many struggle with the other points as well!).


Advertisement