The Chinese are Quick Learners (2013)

ba_barabus · 26-09-2013 3:37pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

The main issue i see with the car is that the brand has no heritage, theyre an unknown quantity. They dont really have a unique selling point and that means itll have to be cheap.
15% less than a Volkswagen isnt that cheap. Thats skoda territory.

+1 to all that.

While I'm certainly finding them interesting I certainly doubt they will be a major player unless they start off cheap.

It's the other points about them being rip offs, cheap, dangerous and made from inferior materials that grinds my gears.

kippy · 26-09-2013 3:51pm

CianRyan wrote: »

Don't forget that all Apple products, though designed in California, are made in China. They are definitely considered luxury items and are very reliable.
I wouldn't worry too much about selling it to the people.

It's also a decent looking car (very Kia Optima) with a nice interior.

Indeed, the vast majority of "luxury" goods and electronics is made in Asia at this point........

HandsomeDan · 26-09-2013 4:56pm

kippy wrote: »

Indeed, the vast majority of "luxury" goods and electronics is made in Asia at this point........

So what, they're still not chinese developed. this car is.

kippy · 26-09-2013 5:09pm

HandsomeDan wrote: »

So what, they're still not chinese developed. this car is.

Indeed and it beats the pants off it's competition in safety standards........

JohnBoy26 · 26-09-2013 5:19pm

HandsomeDan wrote: »

So what, they're still not chinese developed. this car is.

The major downfall of Chinese developed cars was their safety record or lack of. They have overcome this downfall in splendid fashion with this car.

Now they may still lack in other areas but they have overcome this major hurdle and are certainly the ones to watch in the coming years Imo.

HandsomeDan · 26-09-2013 5:30pm

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

The major downfall of Chinese developed cars was their safety record or lack of. They have overcome this downfall in splendid fashion with this car.

Now they may still lack in other areas but they have overcome this major hurdle and are certainly the ones to watch in the coming years Imo.

So all of the safety systems in this car are original chinese technology...

ofcork · 26-09-2013 6:36pm

Don't forget a Chinese company own Volvo now and so have access to their safety tech etc so no doubt they will make inroads into the car market.

Saab Ed · 26-09-2013 7:30pm

And here's the report ....

http://www.euroncap.com/results/qoros/3/528.aspx

colm_mcm · 26-09-2013 7:34pm

threads merged

Sofiztikated · 26-09-2013 7:50pm

Are people really having a whinge because a new company has surpassed what people expected from them in regards the NCAP?

It wasn't that long ago that all Korean cars were terrible. Now look at them.

What would be wrong with some enterprising chap in China thinking to himself, "Ye'know? All this cheap copying crap is getting a bit boring. Why don't we use our cheap costs to create something good!"

In the future, I'll give them a look over when I'm looking at a car. If it meets my requirements, I'll purchase. If not, I won't.

EazyD · 26-09-2013 9:08pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

I'm very much aware of them as I talk often with a guy who works as an adviser to a number of Chinese auto firms in China.

I still don't see how any of the above is of use though as nobody, including any other manufacturers has claimed that Quros have stolen anybody else's IP.

It's of use as they will be entering the European market, with what appears to be fairly well designed and priced models. It's competitors would have spent fortunes researching and developing their own patented technologies, to have what they offer today. These patents would not extend to the Chinese domestic market, it would certainly seem to incentivise copycat production, as evidenced by the iPhone 4S scandal over there.

kippy · 26-09-2013 10:37pm

ofcork wrote: »

Don't forget a Chinese company own Volvo now and so have access to their safety tech etc so no doubt they will make inroads into the car market.

This is probably key. The chinese have the resources to buy the knowledge at this point.

Karl Stein · 26-09-2013 11:13pm

'Robbing' ideas is not unique to the Chinese - can anyone think of any invention not inspired by what came before?

maidhc · 27-09-2013 12:37am

If anyone cared to read the articles it seems clear this car is about as Chinese as an iPhone. Very chinese, but with a lot of international input.

It is claimed Steyr did a lot of the engineering, a company best known for the 4x4 which MB badge engineered into the G Wagen.

ba_barabus · 27-09-2013 12:41am

maidhc wrote: »

If anyone cared to read the articles it seems clear this car is about as Chinese as an iPhone. Very chinese, but with a lot of international input.

It is claimed Steyr did a lot of the engineering, a company best known for the 4x4 which MB badge engineered into the G Wagen.

Finally someone else has taken the time to read the articles.

ba_barabus · 27-09-2013 12:43am

EazyD wrote: »

These patents would not extend to the Chinese domestic market, it would certainly seem to incentivise copycat production, as evidenced by the iPhone 4S scandal over there.

Yes but they would be stopped from entering mainstream markets such as any EU market if they were selling robbed ideas. So again that's not a valid argument in this case.

ba_barabus · 27-09-2013 12:44am

Charlie Rock wrote: »

'Robbing' ideas is not unique to the Chinese - can anyone think of any invention not inspired by what came before?

The wheel :pac:

colm_mcm · 27-09-2013 12:54am

Charlie Rock wrote: »

'Robbing' ideas is not unique to the Chinese - can anyone think of any invention not inspired by what came before?

Cheese strings.

ba_barabus · 27-09-2013 12:57am

Gun powder from China :P

Karl Stein · 27-09-2013 12:59am

ba_barabus wrote: »

The wheel :pac:

colm_mcm wrote: »

Cheese strings.

Very clearly developments rather than inventions.

colm_mcm · 03-07-2014 9:22pm

Quick update. There's a hatchback too now

http://www.carnewschina.com/2014/07/03/qoros-3-hatch-hits-the-chinese-auto-market/

Sobanek · 03-07-2014 10:02pm

Looks pretty cool.

ba_barabus · 03-07-2014 10:05pm

That's nice looking

MuppetCheck · 03-07-2014 10:55pm

It's a bit generic and bland to my eyes. Can see bits of a few different cars in it but the lines need to be a little sharper to have an impact. The wheels don't help it mind.

Sort out the front grill, the boot door is too fussy and lower the waistline a little and it would be a nicer looking car.

Kaiser D · 04-07-2014 12:36am

Ah I can see them on the roads already :pac:

Blazer · 04-07-2014 12:49am

christ that looks like my first car...98 renault megane..nearly same bloody colour as well.
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colm_mcm · 04-07-2014 7:56am

To be fair, its a lot better proportioned than a lot of the current crop.

deandean · 04-07-2014 10:30am

That looks allright! I'll buy one when it comes available on dealextreme dx.com, with a bit of luck I'll avoid the customs charge too:P

Alanstrainor · 04-07-2014 11:18am

Looks good enough, and that's all that matters. If it was cheap enough, came in at a low tax bracket it would sell like hot cakes. Perhaps I'm being overly simplistic, but still.

V Eight · 04-07-2014 11:29am

The Qoros Pictured is Brown. Someone must think it looks best in that colour for the promo shots.... Do people buy brown cars? Thought that went out in the 70's, euch....

Kaiser D · 04-07-2014 2:14pm

They actually remind me a bit of the new SEAT Leon at the back.

MG sales are pretty decent in the UK at the moment, so I wonder if these will be brought over.

Phil_Lives · 04-07-2014 2:20pm

MG aren't decent yet but they will be when their new generation of small engines and gearboxes become available in the next few months.

The Chinese are Quick Learners (2013)

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