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So the tax will jump up simply because it is in YOUR opinion :P
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Well
1) Toledo is '01 which is much older and cheaper than was being discussed
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Were we discussing the loss from new cars??...........
Reform of the motor tax system will happen, that's not my opinion, they won't be reforming it to make it cheaper in the current climate
Indeed we weren't discussing new cars, the same theory applies, you will not recoup extra expenditure in it's entirety come resale time in the majority of cases by spending more when buying. The more expensive product will depreciate more.
There is currently a fairly large disparity between many 07s and 08s, more so than the 07s being a year older. The cheaper tax on many 08s are attracting a price premium that many folk are happy to pay to avail of cheaper motor tax. Some think that premium will be recouped come resale time, I think not as in 2 to 5 years time the difference in value between 08s and 09s will make the premium paid now for folks buying 08s over 07s rather large indeed
Given the likelihood of larger increases in motor tax on the Co2 system in % terms compared to that in the cc system folks who took have bought 2007 reg cars may well end up quite happy with how things pan out.
A lad I know bought a relatively decent 2007 reg 520d a month or so ago, the 08s he looked at were some gulf away in monetary terms, certainly more than the one year younger characteristic would dictate
There is an element of folks' views and opinions here and no one can tell the future but in times of austerity what we have seen so far I know which way I think things are going, I have no plans to have a car of the 07/08 vintage or onwards in the next 3 to 5 years so my views are somewhat from the outside looking in rather than in hope or expectation 0 -
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64447
Again, who was discussing NEW cars?? Unless I am imagining things we were discussing circa '07/'08 models. Not new ones.
It doesn't matter how old a car is, depreciation is always higher on a newer car. Both in relative terms (depreciation percentage) and absolute terms (higher value is higher base for depreciation)
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64447
Who gets a new car for Half price and how does it become courtesy of the tax payer??
Errrrhhh, you. Or did I mix you up with someone else?
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64447
News to me.!
When did I get a car for half price and by how much would YOU have subsidised it?
Have you some sort of memory loss or are you just being obnoxious?Vectra has a disability exemption for part of the cost of the car and I think that dictates the delivery date of the car.As R.O.R said.
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Have you some sort of memory loss or are you just being obnoxious?
No,
We can leave the obnoxious part to you.
You are correct in quoting that I have a disability and as such I do get a reduction in car purchase.
You are way off the mark when you say I bought a car for half price.
I am also waiting for your reply showing me where it cost you money or where Tax payers are contributing to it.
From where I stand Taxpayers have no money left to contribute to any purchase of a car by a disabled person as every penny is being taken to repay the Fat cat Bankers and Property developers Bill.
Show me how much you contributed towards my car and show me how much also.0 -
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Do you really want me to explain that? If someone gets a subsidy / discount on their taxes it just means that all the other tax payers have to pay a little bit more to make up for the extra cost / loss of revenue to the state's coffers.
The no VRT / VAT used to amount to about half the value of the car, but with the low CO2 hence low VRT of modern diesels it is less, I'll grand you that. Before the '08 changeover someone with a disability paid half price for a car once and then got a new car for free every two years forever after (trade in of the 2 year old car was worth about the same or more than the cost of a new car less VRT and VAT). Free cars, free motor tax too.
I'm not expressing an opinion here about if this scheme is good or bad or that people should be entitled to it or should be entitled to more or to less, I'm just stating facts.
I still think you are way off the mark
The way I see it is,
Car comes into the country. = X
Government adds Vrt = Y
Government adds Vat = Z
So a typicaly buyer would be paying X+Y+Z
I on the other hand get SOME vrt+Vat relief which still leaves a bit to go to the Government.
I don't see how it affects you.
Maybe it upsets you or you possibly are begrudging towards all people who get this because you possibly know someone abusing the system and it makes you feel hard done by?
Personally I would much prefer to be able to get out of bed every morning and do an honest day's work, but unfortunately that pleasure was taken from me when I should have been earning a damn good living.0 -
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64447
vectra wrote:I don't see how it affects you.
Maybe it upsets you or you possibly are begrudging towards all people who get this because you possibly know someone abusing the system
I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick here
You have been around boards for a long time and you know I love people buying brand new cars. Preferably nice cars, not sh1tboxes, granted
Surely you will know from all my posts on boards.ie that I am not a begrudger.My ads on adverts.ie
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I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick here
You have been around boards for a long time and you know I love people buying brand new cars. Preferably nice cars, not sh1tboxes, granted
Surely you will know from all my posts on boards.ie that I am not a begrudger.
Ah,
But you see there is a huge difference between appreciating people buying new cars in general and people having to use this benefit to buy them.
Not something that some people (Like myself ) appreciate others making them sound like scroungers.:(0 -
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