Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

Gyalist · 10-03-2013 11:13pm

marcsignal wrote: »

I don’t know how it affects their insurance, but I’ve seen it happen. In fact, on the particular night I’m talking about, the bouncers wouldn’t allow the persons mates bring him down. They insisted the door staff deal with it. I assume they have a similar plan in the event of a fire or other emergency.

I don't doubt you that it has happened, however, their insurers would take a very dim view of such a practice.

I'm interested in this incident simply because I work in the area and know the buildings very well. I own a business nearby and we opened up the basement for retail space but there is no way that we can allow wheelchair users to go downstairs. We just apologise profusely for not being able to accomodate them. I really wish it were different but it was just physically impossible to design wheelchair access to the basement - as is the case in the vast majority of buildings in the area.

Kenny Logins · 10-03-2013 11:13pm

I wouldn't have let him in wearing Converse.

Grayson · 10-03-2013 11:16pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

I wouldn't have let him in wearing Converse.

You're not that loose with footware.

I'll get my coat

jluv · 10-03-2013 11:16pm

scudzilla wrote: »

Sounds about right, well done on him being refused, if a big fire was in there and a wheelchair was a blocking the steep stairs then many would die, yet as there was no fire the club will be getting it in the neck

Are you for real!
A wheelchair blocking a stairs! How about an obnoxious drunk person blocking the stairway which would be more the reality! To be fair, the wheelchair person would be leaving by a different exit. Why?Cos they couldnt get in the same entrance as you..In most places..

sfwcork · 10-03-2013 11:16pm

Some of he comments on the nightclubs bookface page are seriously OTT.I can see why corrie and eastenders are so popular in this country

Some folks just love a reason to be outraged

It will be interesting whether or not the guy publicly accepts the apology or is he wallowing in the attension he was craving

P.s does anybody know if he got the sympathy shag after said event

Lord Trollington · 10-03-2013 11:16pm

Has anyone visited the Madison Facebook page?

Some of the stuff on it is completely off the wall. People from China, Canada, Poland, USA calling them scum ect ect.

None have probably ever been in Ireland let alone in the night club.

I have sympathy with the man , it can't be easy to go out on a night out under his circumstances but he's handled this like a complete bell end.

WoollyRedHat · 10-03-2013 11:20pm

This only happened last night and yet clearly the first course of action was to go to the masses rather than going to through the proper channels, which your friend blatantly ignored. If your friend had a reasonable case, he could have got a succesful result contacting the management privately and if that didn't work out, then he should of considered other options. It will be interesting to find out if the bouncer files for unfair dismissal. How many steps does Madison have?

Refusal because of wheelchair does not equate to outright discrimination if there are reasonable and credible health safety concerns involved.

If there's a fire let's say and your friend's only way out is to be carried up a long flight of stairs, what does he do then? Hope and pray.

Kenny Logins · 10-03-2013 11:21pm

jluv wrote: »

Are you for real!
A wheelchair blocking a stairs! How about an obnoxious drunk person blocking the stairway which would be more the reality! To be fair, the wheelchair person would be leaving by a different exit. Why?Cos they couldnt get in the same entrance as you..In most places..

AFAIK they don't allow obnoxious drunk people into the club either.

fasttalkerchat · 10-03-2013 11:22pm

I don't get it. Should they have carried him down the stairs knowing that he would be a casualty in the case of fire?

Its a bit like if someone in a wheelchair applies for a job as a window cleaner. Its not discrimination, just common sense.

Now what they could look into is making the venue wheelchair accessible but most nightclubs aren't.

Grayson · 10-03-2013 11:23pm

ya know. Ah has actually been pretty balanced. Very little name calling. And next to no insults. People are discussing pros and cons.

It's all grown up. Awwww...

Officer999 · 10-03-2013 11:23pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

They know their position alright. They have been backed into a corner by baseless claims on facebook.

It has generated 20,000 likes in 4 hours. By morning at that rate it will have 80,000 likes. Thats a lot of bad publicity.

I have seen a similar complaint on the facebook page of the company where I work but a different department. I knew the full story and the one which was posted to the page couldn't have been much different. On investigation into the post it got 40 likes, every like was a friend of the person who posted it.

That hows this mob frenzy mentality gets started.

If you ask me it's good publicity. I had never heard of this nightclub before now.

And 20,000 likes in 4 hours.....even if its for negative reason's that a lot of people clicking on their facebook page that wouldn't have before.

In a couple of weeks this thing will have blown over, yet everyone will know of Madison nightclub.

I Luv Crysis · 10-03-2013 11:24pm

Anyone else a little disappointed with how quick Madison backed down? I was expecting more of a fight from them.

Alactric · 10-03-2013 11:24pm

Grayson wrote: »

ya know. Ah has actually been pretty balanced. Very little name calling. And next to no insults. People are discussing pros and cons.

It's all grown up. Awwww...

Your mum.

Kenny Logins · 10-03-2013 11:25pm

marcsignal wrote: »

A friend of mine of many years 'Graham Bolger' was refused entry to the Madison Nightclub on Wicklow Street, Dublin, last night, because he is a wheelchair user :mad:

Last night I was refused entry to Madison nightclub in Dublin on the grouds that I was in a wheelchair...and that was just the start of my 45 min ordeal of extreme discrimination at the hands of their staff.

In my 8 years adventuring in a chair i have never been refused entry to any venue anywhere in the world from boats to cliff top castles, festivals to beach clubs, car rallys to deep sea dives. well done Madison. Youve just stepped in the ring with one very determined person.

What century are they living in ? Shame on them

.

What exactly happened during the 45 minute ordeal mentioned in the OP?

passremarkable · 10-03-2013 11:27pm

Fm 104 just chatting about it now.
Apparently the guy who refused him has been sacked.

Kenny Logins · 10-03-2013 11:27pm

I Luv Crysis wrote: »

Anyone else a little disappointed with how quick Madison backed down? I was expecting more of a fight from them.

Yes, the 'ol "sacked the intern/contract/temp" line is pathetic, would have preferred to see an explanation of some sort.

Mob wants blood though..

I Luv Crysis · 10-03-2013 11:27pm

Kenny Logins wrote: »

What exactly happened during the 45 minute ordeal mentioned in the OP?

I think of many, many ways to spend 45 mins with the one in the red dress...

mackg · 10-03-2013 11:28pm

username123 wrote: »

What would be the purpose of posting it on the internet including a photo if not to attract attention though? The text with the image is worded provocatively.

The club were wrong, but creating a big internet stink causing someone to lose their job was worse.

I don't like the whole thing as much as anyone but in fairness I've never thrown anything up on FB with thoughts of it going any further than my friends. I don't find it hard to imagine him being surprised the way it has taken off. It's not a case of him asking for likes and shares.

Grayson · 10-03-2013 11:33pm

mackg wrote: »

I don't like the whole thing as much as anyone but in fairness I've never thrown anything up on FB with thoughts of it going any further than my friends. I don't find it hard to imagine him being surprised the way it has taken off. It's not a case of him asking for likes and shares.

Well, that depends. we know very little about him. He could work in publicity or entertainment etc..

Or he could be a quiet guy working behind a desk somewhere.

It all depends on what sort of guy he is. But I find it hard to believe when his friends are posting it up on irelands largest discussion board that they didn't want as much publicity as they could garner.

fullgas · 10-03-2013 11:37pm

Grayson wrote: »

Well, that depends. we know very little about him. He could work in publicity or entertainment etc..

Or he could be a quiet guy working behind a desk somewhere.

It all depends on what sort of guy he is. But I find it hard to believe when his friends are posting it up on irelands largest discussion board that they didn't want as much publicity as they could garner.

Did a quick search, this is him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du9R4leTCVs

10-03-2013 11:38pm

Seeing as the bouncer hasn't had a chance to defend himself, he is the only one I feel sorry for.

He's lost more than anyone else in this.

Stercus Accidit · 10-03-2013 11:38pm

I Luv Crysis wrote: »

Anyone else a little disappointed with how quick Madison backed down? I was expecting more of a fight from them.

They could have had a very valid reason to deny him entry but don't expect them to try to argue that point with the mob mentality driving this campaign.

The smart move is not to stoke the fire, regardless of who is in the right.

Quazzie · 10-03-2013 11:40pm

The girl in the photo is Christina Urban, a Polish model.

You're welcome

passremarkable · 10-03-2013 11:41pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Seeing as the bouncer hasn't had a chance to defend himself, he is the only one I feel sorry for.

He's lost more than anyone else in this.

Think he is just pointed to your man , and said: the guy in the chair getting in here is just a non-runner

hatrickpatrick · 10-03-2013 11:41pm

Madison is brand new isn't it?
You might want to go there now if you like the look of it, other nughtclubs have closed down over far less controversial PR disasters...

fullgas · 10-03-2013 11:42pm

fullgas wrote: »

Did a quick search, this is him:

Quazzie wrote: »

The girl in the photo is Christina Urban, a Polish model.

You're welcome

Here he is in Café En Seine with Christina

http://www.showbiz.ie/photos/2013-02-graham-bolger--christina-urban.jpg

passremarkable · 10-03-2013 11:44pm

fullgas wrote: »

Here he is in Café En Seine with Christina

http://www.showbiz.ie/photos/2013-02-graham-bolger--christina-urban.jpg

Is this his way of pulling beauts

Grayson · 10-03-2013 11:45pm

fullgas wrote: »

Here he is in Café En Seine with Christina

http://www.showbiz.ie/photos/2013-02-graham-bolger--christina-urban.jpg

So he knew what he was doing and wanted to create a fuss.

10-03-2013 11:47pm

Lads, on crappy phone here and can't click the links. Was this a setup?

fullgas · 10-03-2013 11:50pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Lads, on crappy phone here and can't click the links. Was this a setup?

No he has a hot friend/gf? and was understandably pissed off when he couldn't get into the club with her.

michellie · 10-03-2013 11:52pm

Thats a whole lot of hulluabaloo over a bloody night out. You get refused entry simply move on, dont hang around for 45 mins making a scene.

Being refused entry is not a big deal. Worse things could happen!

Steve O · 10-03-2013 11:52pm

Quazzie wrote: »

The girl in the photo is Christina Urban, a Polish model.

You're welcome

Just had a look, dear God.

hatrickpatrick · 10-03-2013 11:53pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I really don't get facebook witch hunts. Last time I checked that one single post had 16,000 likes in 3 hours.

This all coming from one man posting his side of the arguement on a business' public page.

Anything the Business says now will be rubbished regardless of the circumstances. The Staff are the ones who will suffer the most out of all of this.

If this man wanted to be taken serious he should have taken legal advice on the issue on Monday morning and leave facebook witch hunts to the Justin Bieber fans.

To be fair it's probably because a lot (not all, a lot) of Dublin bouncers are complete w@nkers and people are starting to realise that a social media campaign can actually succeed in getting them fired.

I actually got a bouncer removed after he refused me entry from a club a few years ago for absolutely no reason, hadn't even had a drink and had done nothing wrong. Emailed the club on my way home with a photo of the guy an explaining what happened, they apologised and got rid of him. Never saw him there again after that.
I've always assumed the reason for the prompt action was because I told them that my friends had been going en masse to that club every week and they would lose an absolute ton of business if we made a fuss.

debabyjesus · 10-03-2013 11:53pm

He could walk away with a big settlement from this..

orestes · 10-03-2013 11:54pm

He wasn't refused because they don't like people in wheelchairs, he was refused because the club has no way to accommodate people in wheelchairs. One is discrimination, the other is an unfortunate but real fact. Simples, no?

Starting an online hate campaign, forcing an apology from the venue, getting a guy fired, and getting the place so much bad publicity that it's practically being stormed by a mob wielding torches and pitch-forks is just throwing a tantrum. I've spent a few years in a wheelchair and I've worked in the bar trade, and the guy who started this is a selfish tool in my opinion.

michellie · 10-03-2013 11:57pm

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

up for anything · 10-03-2013 11:59pm

Seems a bit odd to refuse him because he's in a wheelchair - someone mentioned stairs. Is there only once access to the place? I can't see how otherwise they'd never have got a fire cert. Surely there would have been some way to accommodate the guy getting in via a fire exit.

Kenny Logins · 11-03-2013 12:00am

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

Oh Jesus.

I guess that gives some indication as to what happened in those 45 minutes.

Steve O · 11-03-2013 12:01am

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

If that is true, then the guy should come out and say it. Losing a man his job and getting the place a bad rep is really bottom of the barrel.

The facebook comments are ****in scary. Some threatening death on the doormen. :eek:

11-03-2013 12:02am

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

??????????

What's in the link?

michellie · 11-03-2013 12:03am

Steve O wrote: »

If that is true, then the guy should come out and say it. Losing a man his job and getting the place a bad rep is really bottom of the barrel.

The facebook comments are ****in scary. Some threatening death on the doormen. :eek:

People are mental.

steddyeddy · 11-03-2013 12:04am

Steve O wrote: »

If that is true, then the guy should come out and say it. Losing a man his job and getting the place a bad rep is really bottom of the barrel.

The facebook comments are ****in scary. Some threatening death on the doormen. :eek:

He's hardly going to say "I was a drunk pr1ck" at this stage but if that is what happened maybe someone else remembers him.

11-03-2013 12:05am

There's some issues with this, that people seem to not be taking into account of course, this is all dependent on how the bouncer refused entry, as I am commenting without this knowledge

There's a strong chance that the premises wouldn't have the insurance for carrying a wheelchair bound user up and down the steep steps, as Sarannewrap has said (I've never been in there personally). Possibly, for a normal set of stairs, but for anyone to carry anyone down a steep set would just be an insurance nightmare. It's entirely reasonable that a bouncer would be unwilling to wheelchair down.

If this guy is really feeling discriminated against, then why doesn't he go through the proper channels, which are there to ensure that this doesn't happen?

Grayson · 11-03-2013 12:06am

Kenny Logins wrote: »

Oh Jesus.

I guess that gives some indication as to what happened in those 45 minutes.

I just googled the guy. He has his own website, etc. The first page even has an RTE program about him.

There's no way he didn't know what he was doing. He wanted the publicity.

I Luv Crysis · 11-03-2013 12:07am

Stung rapid

11-03-2013 12:08am

Steve O wrote: »

If that is true, then the guy should come out and say it. Losing a man his job and getting the place a bad rep is really bottom of the barrel.

The facebook comments are ****in scary. Some threatening death on the doormen. :eek:

Death threats against a guy just doing his job? This has got way out of hand

Has Graham Bolger said anything since on FB? His should be ashamed of himself.

Amirani · 11-03-2013 12:11am

Unfair dismissals claim could be on the way from the bouncer now.

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 12:11am

michellie wrote: »

Hmmmm...the plot thickens..

http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/542749_612483468777455_1582971650_n.jpg

If that's true then Mr Bolger owes Madison and most importantly the sacked bouncer an apology. All we have is one side of the story, you need both sides before you make a judgement. He should have contacted Madison privately not taken to facebook to put across his point. Madison never got a chance to put across their point of view and as pointed out earlier people from all over the world who have never been to Ireland are putting their 2 cents in. I think more clubs will be wary of letting him in after the way he has behaved.

Kenny Logins · 11-03-2013 12:12am

Grayson wrote: »

I just googled the guy. He has his own website, etc. The first page even has an RTE program about him.

There's no way he didn't know what he was doing. He wanted the publicity.

To be fair, I don't know where the original 'statement' was posted but it does look to me as if it's a case of an angry mob being outraged on his behalf. **** like this can spread very quickly on Facetwat (or Twitter. That's where I saw it first), and he might not have anticipated this level of stampy footing.

skimpydoo · 11-03-2013 12:15am

Kenny Logins wrote: »

To be fair, I don't know where the original 'statement' was posted but it does look to me as if it's a case of an angry mob being outraged on his behalf. **** like this can spread very quickly on Facetwat (or Twitter. That's where I saw it first), and he might not have anticipated this level of stampy footing.

The moment you post on Facebook or Twitter you will get an angry mob. Anyone who does not know this or claims not to know this should not have an account on either social media platform.

Wheelchair user refused entry to Dublin Nightclub.

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