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mince meat with 20% fat?

  • 05-01-2014 10:38pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭


    probably a stupid question :o ....i buy mince with 20% fat...so if i buy 1kg of mince does that mean 200 grams of the weight is actually just fat?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Cow's do have a large amount of fat on them ... Or do you think their chucking frytex into the mincer


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    Tastes lovely though, all the flavor is in the fat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭jenjenten


    Cow's do have a large amount of fat on them ... Or do you think there chucking frytex into the mincer

    I am just wondering if i should get the dearer meat...if 200 grams is just fat then thats a waste of money,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Daqster


    jenjenten wrote: »
    probably a stupid question :o ....i buy mince with 20% fat...so if i buy 1kg of mince does that mean 200 grams of the weight is actually just fat?

    Yes.
    jenjenten wrote: »
    I am just wondering if i should get the dearer meat...if 200 grams is just fat then thats a waste of money,

    Get a food processor and make your own mince.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    No, it means 800g isn't fat.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    jenjenten wrote: »
    I am just wondering if i should get the dearer meat...if 200 grams is just fat then thats a waste of money,

    And how much is water ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Daqster wrote: »
    Yes.



    Get a food processor and make your own.

    Or buy a cow and cut lumps off it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭jenjenten


    Tastes lovely though, all the flavor is in the fat.

    it tastes horrible!....i drain off all the fat...ew!, its like eating a packet of lard :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    another 20% is water.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭monty_python


    the cheaper high fat mince is good for burgers, meatballs etc,

    the dearer lower fat mince is good for lasagne cottage pics etc


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Muise... wrote: »
    another 20% is water.
    Another 20% is bone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭michellie


    I buy the less than 5% mince, had it tonight when I made a low fat taco chip :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Another 20% is bone.

    20% also packaging ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭MonsterCookie


    Well worth getting the leaner mince in my view. It's a bit more expensive but tastes well worth it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    Another 20% is bone.

    what's left..? Oh yeah, horse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,499 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Muise... wrote: »
    another 20% is water.

    And?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭TouchingVirus


    jenjenten wrote: »
    probably a stupid question :o ....i buy mince with 20% fat...so if i buy 1kg of mince does that mean 200 grams of the weight is actually just fat?

    Yes, for every 100g of meat 20g of it is fat.

    If you looking at calories or watching your weight 20% is bad stuff. Take this Tesco 20% mince. 100g of meat is 20g of fat. Each gram of fat is 9 calories. So 180 calories worth of fat for every 100g of meat. The total calories including fat is only 252, so if you look beyond the volume/grams and into calories you'll see 20% mince is actually 71% fat :)

    The same for whole milk. Typically it's 3.5% fat by volume, but in terms of calories it's also got a very high fat content, a lot more than 3.5% :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    jenjenten wrote: »
    it tastes horrible!....i drain off all the fat...ew!, its like eating a packet of lard :(

    No way do you drain all of it.... the meat would be dry as fook without any fat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Animal fat is good for you.Doesn't make you fat either apparently,it will make you feel full though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭AndonHandon


    For burgers you need more fat in the mince. Places that try and dress up what is essentially a burger should be burned down. It's an oxymoron to describe a burger as vast in the culinary experience it represents.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    Yes, for every 100g of meat 20g of it is fat.

    If you looking at calories or watching your weight 20% is bad stuff. Take this Tesco 20% mince. 100g of meat is 20g of fat. Each gram of fat is 9 calories. So 180 calories worth of fat for every 100g of meat. The total calories including fat is only 252, so if you look beyond the volume/grams and into calories you'll see 20% mince is actually 71% fat :)

    The same for whole milk. Typically it's 3.5% fat by volume, but in terms of calories it's also got a very high fat content, a lot more than 3.5% :)

    Look at you with your facts. :P

    We don't need facts just now, we're suffering from withdrawls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    And how much is water ?

    Average for grass fed beef is 75.1%


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭LETHAL LADY


    Steak mince from a butcher and one from a supermarket are poles apart in texture and taste. I cannot abide the cheap wormy white mince meat that some supermarkets pass off as edible but to be fair their steak mince is usually ok, still it has chewy bits which make me want to vomit. If you have a good local butcher then it is definitely worth a visit to buy your meat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭jenjenten


    No way do you drain all of it.... the meat would be dry as fook without any fat.


    I drain most of it off....the pan has no visible fluid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 391 ✭✭btard


    Muise... wrote: »
    what's left..? Oh yeah, horse.

    Don't forget the hormones, antibiotics and other assorted shyte.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭jenjenten


    btard wrote: »
    Don't forget the hormones, antibiotics and other assorted shyte.

    :eek: .....stop it will ya!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭ciano1


    michellie wrote: »
    I buy the less than 5% mince, had it tonight when I made a low fat taco chip :)

    You're doing it wrong :(


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Mince from the butcher only.

    I buy a lb of round mince and a lb of pork mince and mix them up. Absolutely delicious flavour from burgers, meatballs, lasagne cottage pie etc

    Try it out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,687 ✭✭✭blacklilly


    btard wrote: »
    Don't forget the hormones, antibiotics and other assorted shyte.

    You might please advise me of any Irish regulations that allow an animal into the food chain for human consumption where the animal has been treated with hormones?

    Furthermore there is a lengthy time period given to any animal treated with antibiotics prior to it being eligible for human consumption.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Don't buy mince meat from a supermarket.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Chareth Cutestory


    The best meat's in the rump


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    Why are people under the assumption that meat from a butcher is miraculously of a better quality than that of a supermarket? Wanna buy a bridge?

    "No but butchers are independent, that somehow means they don't buy the cheapest muck they can possibly get their hands on."

    **** off outta that.

    Jesus Christ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭michellie


    ciano1 wrote: »
    You're doing it wrong :(

    It's actually lovely!! Not too bad of a dinner to be eating on a diet :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    20% also packaging ?

    And don't forget the 20% margin for error.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    strobe wrote: »
    Why are people under the assumption that meat from a butcher is miraculously of a better quality than that of a supermarket? Wanna buy a bridge?

    "No but butchers are independent, that somehow means they don't buy the cheapest muck they can possibly get their hands on."

    **** off outta that.

    Jesus Christ....
    It's typically cheaper in a butchers.

    Also, go buy a chicken breast fillet from a butchers, and another from a Tesco. Try to get them the exact same size raw, and after being in the oven... tell me which has shrunk more. Also, try to squeeze the moisture out of both and tell me which one has (typically significantly more) water in it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    No, it means 800g isn't fat.

    Note that not all off that will be meat, as there will also be grizzle etc. in there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭I am pie


    strobe wrote: »
    Why are people under the assumption that meat from a butcher is miraculously of a better quality than that of a supermarket? Wanna buy a bridge?

    "No but butchers are independent, that somehow means they don't buy the cheapest muck they can possibly get their hands on."

    **** off outta that.

    Jesus Christ....

    Because a butcher will make the mince in front of you, you get to pick the cut of meat, check the quality and get it minced.

    The rest is up to you, pick a good butcher, inspect the meat to see that it is fresh. Some great, some not so much. I imagine that butchers that sell cheap muck don't last too long given they have to compete with supermarkets. Supermarkets sell on the basis of convenience and mass marketing, an independent butcher can only really compete on price & quality. I can't imagine price alone cuts the mustard so surely quality must be a factor.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28 zx complex


    I recently tried the Tesco Organic mince, expensive but tastes 10 times better than the cheaper 20% fat crap.


  • Registered Users Posts: 777 ✭✭✭H2UMrsRobinson


    I suppose it all depends on personal taste, I love a bit of fat on my meat. A pork chop or steak with a big fatty rind on is my idea of heaven. I like mince soup - my own recipe - fried mince chucked in a bowl of gravy, dash of red wine and a hunk of crusty loaf to dip in it. Ohh I'm soooo hungry now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    strobe wrote: »
    Why are people under the assumption that meat from a butcher is miraculously of a better quality than that of a supermarket? Wanna buy a bridge?

    "No but butchers are independent, that somehow means they don't buy the cheapest muck they can possibly get their hands on."

    **** off outta that.

    Jesus Christ....
    It depends what butcher you go to. Most of the local butchers around here still have their own abbatoir and storage so they buy the right animal(angus/hereford) at the correct fat cover/weight and kill and hang them for the correct length of time and sell it properly processed.

    Other butchers/most supermarkets buy to a certain specification/price and sell on price only.

    If you buy on price, you get what you pay for. Find a proper butcher and you actually can taste the difference between what he sells and what a supermarket sells.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The same for whole milk. Typically it's 3.5% fat by volume, but in terms of calories it's also got a very high fat content, a lot more than 3.5% :)
    Aye but skimmed/low fat milk has higher sugars/lactose and I know which I'd rather have. Fat doesn't make you fat. That's mostly a nonsense, unless you're shoveling lard into you by the bucket. Sugar however is the real baddie. People on high animal fat diets are on average healthier than those on high sugar diets.

    Calories are also a nonsense. How do they measure calories? By sticking the item into a glorified oven and burning it and measuring the heat/energy given off. However this does not equate to a bioavailable "calorie". Take the usual one "alcohol is very high in calories". Well yes as it's inflammable. You can set light to brandy and it goes up like methylated spirits(which it kinda is). This does not mean that the alcohol in a neat vodka is in any shape or form bioavailable to the human body and will "turn into fat"*. It's the sugars in alcoholic drinks that are absorbed and could fatten you up. More like the chinner dinner after the feed of beer.. Coal burns and burns very well and has a high calorific content. Does this mean you'd put on weight if you added ground up coal to your food? Nope.

    TL;DR? So called calories in food are not created equal. Not by a long shot.






    *alcohol does cause insulin changes which may lead to issues, but that's an entirely different mechanism.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Aye but skimmed/low fat milk has higher sugars/lactose and I know which I'd rather have. Fat doesn't make you fat. That's mostly a nonsense, unless you're shoveling lard into you by the bucket. Sugar however is the real baddie. People on high animal fat diets are on average healthier than those on high sugar diets.

    Calories are also a nonsense. How do they measure calories? By sticking the item into a glorified oven and burning it and measuring the heat/energy given off. However this does not equate to a bioavailable "calorie". Take the usual one "alcohol is very high in calories". Well yes as it's inflammable. You can set light to brandy and it goes up like methylated spirits(which it kinda is). This does not mean that the alcohol in a neat vodka is in any shape or form bioavailable to the human body and will "turn into fat"*. It's the sugars in alcoholic drinks that are absorbed and could fatten you up. More like the chinner dinner after the feed of beer.. Coal burns and burns very well and has a high calorific content. Does this mean you'd put on weight if you added ground up coal to your food? Nope.

    TL;DR? So called calories in food are not created equal. Not by a long shot.






    *alcohol does cause insulin changes which may lead to issues, but that's an entirely different mechanism.

    Surely butter is fattening?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Days 298


    Dont waste money on organic whatever you do. Scam.

    Put an organic sticker on non organic meat, sell it to someone who buys organic for 20% more than non organic stuff and they wont know the difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,644 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Surely butter is fattening?

    Everything if fattening if you eat enough of it. Eat a truckload of broccoli every day and you will get fat


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    It's that old German joke


    The English make the best bread in the world.

    Ya, but why do they call it sausage ?


  • Posts: 24,714 [Deleted User]


    Aidric wrote: »
    Don't buy mince meat from a supermarket.

    The meat in supervalue is excellent and they have some brilliant offers. 1kg of steak mince yesterday for 6 euro for instance.

    All this "watch the butcher mince your meat" who in reality actually does that? Nobody.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    michellie wrote: »
    I buy the less than 5% mince, had it tonight when I made a low fat taco chip :)
    What's the more than 95%

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,410 ✭✭✭bbam


    In our local butchers you can choose your meat and he'll mince it in a few seconds while you wait.
    He also slaughters his own animals which are bought from local farmers.

    Traceability is there if you look for it and pay a little extra.


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