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NBA Offseason 2014

  • 21-04-2014 3:36pm
    #1
    Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Probably best to create a new thread instead of losing it amongst the Playoff thread.

    Big news coming out of NY, Knicks head coach Woodson and the entire coaching staff have been fired.

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    This gentleman is favourite to take over..

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    Also, Coach Adelman will announce his retirement too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 31 The Answer


    Kerr working under Phil would be a good move. Fresh ideas from Kerr mixed with experience of Phil if needed to call upon.

    Loved Adelman's Kings team well over a decade ago. Good character too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    I can't imagine Kerr as a coach. He seems soft. Obviously I don't know what he would be like in such a situation but its just a general observation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Still find it weird how guys who've never coached even a high school game can get pro jobs. Pro sports are weird, not just basketball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Still find it weird how guys who've never coached even a high school game can get pro jobs. Pro sports are weird, not just basketball.

    I suppose they just know what's required at that level in relation to practice, game situations, offensive systems etc.
    Look at Rick Pitino, one of the best college coaches ever and he struggled in the NBA. Each level requires something different from the coach.

    I think Kerr would be a great coach, just look who he has learned from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭buyer95


    I'd bet the house that it's Kerr or someone of that ilk. It will be one of Phil's past lieutenants certainly. Shaw would be a possibility if he wasn't in Denver. If the preacher got canned by the Warriors then he would be another candidate. He has no ties to Phil but would be very well welcomed by the knicks faithful due to his pasy successes. Jeff Van Gundy is an outside shot with Thibs being the pipe dream.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    I can't imagine Kerr as a coach. He seems soft. Obviously I don't know what he would be like in such a situation but its just a general observation.

    Softer than Jeff Hornacek seemed?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    Tyrone Corbin gone as Jazz coach, not being offered a new contract


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Rollins has an outside chance. I think we'll see him in the hot seat at either Houston, New York or Golden State next season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Kevin Love posts a picture online of his father (who was a Laker for 2 years), with the caption 'Like father...'

    Adds to the rumours of him being traded to the Lakers for their draft pick.

    I don't mind that whatsoever. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭astonaidan


    Kevin Love posts a picture online of his father (who was a Laker for 2 years), with the caption 'Like father...'

    Adds to the rumours of him being traded to the Lakers for their draft pick.

    I don't mind that whatsoever. :D
    Not for me, well not for me if we have a chance at getting Exum, Wiggins, Parker, Embiid
    Taking into account we could get Love next year for free


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    astonaidan wrote: »
    Not for me, well not for me if we have a chance at getting Exum, Wiggins, Parker, Embiid
    Taking into account we could get Love next year for free

    I don't mind this if LA get the 6th pick but a top 3 yeah I'd agree with you.


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    astonaidan wrote: »
    Not for me, well not for me if we have a chance at getting Exum, Wiggins, Parker, Embiid
    Taking into account we could get Love next year for free

    Agree with this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Kevin Love posts a picture online of his father (who was a Laker for 2 years), with the caption 'Like father...'

    Adds to the rumours of him being traded to the Lakers for their draft pick.

    I don't mind that whatsoever. :D


    I've posted on this consistently for the last 2 years at least - Love will be a Laker at some stage, be that next year or the year after. The TWolves really messed up not giving him a max 5 year when they had the chance (they effectively gave it to Rubio :eek:).

    And Russell Westbrook will be joining him if OKC don't win a Championship by then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Doesn't matter anyway - Boston are getting the No. 1 pick - FACT!*













    *FACT may not be an actual "fact" per se, more wishful thinking on the part of one Boston fan.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    Goran Dragic gets the Most Improved Player award


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Goran Dragic gets the Most Improved Player award

    Well deserved


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Goran Dragic gets the Most Improved Player award

    A year too late for my predictions :pac:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81463527&postcount=3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Well deserved for Dragic. If you look at Phoenix, Green showed significant improvement too, and my tip for MIP was Bledsoe who was playing very well too until he got injured. They have a nice and relatively young nucleus to build off with their run and gun game.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,014 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    Well deserved for Dragic. If you look at Phoenix, Green showed significant improvement too, and my tip for MIP was Bledsoe who was playing very well too until he got injured. They have a nice and relatively young nucleus to build off with their run and gun game.

    They've three first round picks this year too which really means the future is bright. All they need is one of those guys to be a big hit and they'll be a force. They've got some cap room too.


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Oh great another **** season. Will lose a number of players due to him returning and Kobe won't be happy at all.

    How can they have a good relationship when Kobe basically made it public that he doesn't want him as coach? Gonna be an awkward final year for Kobe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭buyer95


    Oh great another **** season. Will lose a number of players due to him returning and Kobe won't be happy at all.

    How can they have a good relationship when Kobe basically made it public that he doesn't want him as coach? Gonna be an awkward final year for Kobe.

    Who said it will be Kobe's final year?
    Gasol won't be hanging around either, he recently blogged about D'Antoni. “I've never concealed the fact that D'Antoni's style doesn't suit my game," Gasol wrote. "I don't know if my decision will be swayed by whether Mike stays or leaves. Obviously, the coach is a very important factor for any team.”

    Bringing back D'Antoni all but confirms Kobe's worst nightmare, the Lakers will be in rebuild net year. Kobe has spoken about the coaching situation with multiple reports claiming he has "no interest" in playing for him next season. http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24480197/report-kobe-bryant-has-no-interest-in-playing-for-dantoni-next-season
    General manager Mitch Kupchak said recently that Kobe would not be consulted on D'Antoni's future.

    "We won't consult with him," Kupchak said. "Our decisions going forward — we're not going to do knee-jerk stuff. It looks like Kobe's final 2 years could be as an irrelevant lottery team. I can't for one second see Kobe biting his tongue about this.


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »

    Well...

    Mike D'Antoni has resigned as Lakers coach, source tells ESPN

    Confirmed now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    Halleluiah


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL


    :)
    RT @DanDuangdao: After today, everyone knows the difference between resigning and re-signing. Thank you, Mike D’Antoni.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,456 ✭✭✭astonaidan


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »
    Well...

    Mike D'Antoni has resigned as Lakers coach, source tells ESPN

    Confirmed now.
    Today is a good day


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Ollie, Calipari, Byron, Gentry, Dunleavy, DFish, Karl, JVG (already ruled himself out last night), Rambis on initial list to replace D'Antoni. I do wish Kobe is up for consideration too :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,147 ✭✭✭PizzamanIRL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »
    Well...

    Mike D'Antoni has resigned as Lakers coach, source tells ESPN

    Confirmed now.

    3 words - resigned me hole!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭padraig_f



    Thought Taj Gibson might win it, but it's a funny award anyway, bit of back-handed compliment...best player to come off the bench.

    I'd have liked Taj to win it to make up for the ignominy of backing up Boozer, despite playing much better than him. Not a big deal though, hopefully Taj will get his reward when he's given the starting spot next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    The Lakers have apparently asked the Bulls for permission to interview Thibs. I know Thibs doesn't really get along with the Bulls front office, but they're still not going to say yes and I doubt he'd have any interest in going there as they are big time in rebuilding mode.

    Anyway, my question is, if you were the Bulls and the Lakers offered their 1st round draft pick this year as part of a package for Thibs, would you take it? I love Thibs but being honest, I'd accept the offer before they could finish their sentence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭padraig_f


    I hope the talk of Thibs being linked with other teams is just speculation, but it worries me that well-connected people like Simmons and Wojnarowski are tweeting about. (Woj hasn't said anything lately, but has previous articles about unrest between Thibs and the front office).

    Anyway, I wouldn't trade him for a high draft pick. Even good draft picks take a year or two to bear fruit, and that's if they work out. You go draft pick and a new coach, you're saying that you're not challenging for a championship for another 2 or 3 year's time. But with the core of Rose, Noah, Gibson, and a bunch of players that know Thibs' system, the team is built to win now.

    My feeling is Thibs wouldn’t press to leave, he's too honourable (you get the old-school sense of wanting to honour his contracts from him), and the Bulls would be an unfinished job for him (different from Doc Rivers that way). The only way it happens is if the front-office push for it.

    I assume the front-office know what a good coach they have, and don't push for this. But I have less of a sense of the personalities of Forman & Paxson, so I'm not quite as sure on this. Maybe if they think the relationship is too bad, they could. It would be an unpopular move and quite a risk. I don’t think they do it when they seem quite close to having a contending team.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Maxine Chilly Zygote


    padraig_f wrote: »
    I hope the talk of Thibs being linked with other teams is just speculation, but it worries me that well-connected people like Simmons and Wojnarowski are tweeting about. (Woj hasn't said anything lately, but has previous articles about unrest between Thibs and the front office).

    Anyway, I wouldn't trade him for a high draft pick. Even good draft picks take a year or two to bear fruit, and that's if they work out. You go draft pick and a new coach, you're saying that you're not challenging for a championship for another 2 or 3 year's time. But with the core of Rose, Noah, Gibson, and a bunch of players that know Thibs' system, the team is built to win now.

    My feeling is Thibs wouldn’t press to leave, he's too honourable (you get the old-school sense of wanting to honour his contracts from him), and the Bulls would be an unfinished job for him (different from Doc Rivers that way). The only way it happens is if the front-office push for it.

    I assume the front-office know what a good coach they have, and don't push for this. But I have less of a sense of the personalities of Forman & Paxson, so I'm not quite as sure on this. Maybe if they think the relationship is too bad, they could. It would be an unpopular move and quite a risk. I don’t think they do it when they seem quite close to having a contending team.

    i dont understand the bit in bold would you mind elaborating.

    the bulls would be mad to get rid of thibs unless its an herschel walker trade which i don't know is possible in the nba love him from his time with the celtics and they will not be able to replace him but that bulls hierarchy has ruined worse cant see it happening to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭padraig_f


    i dont understand the bit in bold would you mind elaborating.

    Bill Simmons compared it to Doc Rivers today: "I feel good about this prediction: Thibs becomes this summer's Doc (traded for a future 1st round pick), then Chicago hires Fred Hoiberg."

    But Rivers had won a championship with the Celtics, and the team was being blown up for a complete rebuild that he didn't want to be part of.

    Thibs hasn't won a championship and the team is still very much in its prime. So I think they're different circumstances. Thibs has put a lot of work into the Bulls, I don't think he walks away easily. The Lakers aren't so attractive without their draft pick, they have an aging Kobe and not much else.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Maxine Chilly Zygote


    padraig_f wrote: »
    Bill Simmons compared it to Doc Rivers today: "I feel good about this prediction: Thibs becomes this summer's Doc (traded for a future 1st round pick), then Chicago hires Fred Hoiberg."

    But Rivers had won a championship with the Celtics, and the team was being blown up for a complete rebuild that he didn't want to be part of.

    Thibs hasn't won a championship and the team is still very much in its prime. So I think they're different circumstances. Thibs has put a lot of work into the Bulls, I don't think he walks away easily. The Lakers aren't so attractive without their draft pick, they have an aging Kobe and not much else.

    ahhhhhh i get ya i thought you meant doc left before he finished the job i was ready unmuzzle the dogs :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    Philly's Michael Carter-Williams reportedly named Kia Rookie of the Year. Oladipo, Burke finish 2-3.


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Philly's Michael Carter-Williams reportedly named Kia Rookie of the Year. Oladipo, Burke finish 2-3.

    Deserved. Though if Scott Brooks wasn't a _____ with Steven Adams :D

    Burke was unlucky with that injury he suffered midway during the season, and well, his teammates. Ditto Oladipo, though he more cooled off towards the end of the season.

    MCW's stats -

    Bm39KU-IQAAOPRZ.jpg:large


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Might as well ask it now, but what next for the following teams after their opening round elimination from the Playoffs.. ?

    Toronto Raptors
    Charlotte Hornets (going to take some time calling them Charlotte Hornets!)
    Houston Rockets
    Atlanta Hawks
    Memphis Grizzlies
    Golden State Warriors
    Dallas Mavericks
    Chicago Bulls


  • Site Banned Posts: 26,456 ✭✭✭✭Nuri Sahin


    Toronto has reached agreement on a three-year contract extension with coach Dwane Casey, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »
    Toronto has reached agreement on a three-year contract extension with coach Dwane Casey, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

    Excellent move for Toronto in keeping Casey on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭ec18


    Toronto Raptors

    Don't think anything major aside from keeping the coach

    Charlotte Hornets (going to take some time calling them Charlotte Hornets!)

    Same as the raptors don't think they'll make any big moves in the offseason if any at all

    Houston Rockets

    Try and trade Asik and Lin for maybe Melo, but I' expect Asik at least to be traded. I don't think they'll get rid of McHale

    Atlanta Hawks

    Not Much

    Memphis Grizzlies

    Not much......maybe a younger SG?

    Golden State Warriors

    New Coach....but who is the question

    Dallas Mavericks

    don't know to be honest.....maybe look for a younger player to replace/play with Carter

    Chicago Bulls

    Go all in for Melo and maybe mirotic......but they need to get some scoring and make sure Rose is healthy....if he plays for Team USA this summer it'd be great to get rid of some of the rust he'll have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    ec18 wrote: »

    Chicago Bulls

    Go all in for Melo and maybe mirotic......but they need to get some scoring and make sure Rose is healthy....if he plays for Team USA this summer it'd be great to get rid of some of the rust he'll have.

    They would be absolutely crazy to allow him to play in the Worlds. Crazy, crazy, crazy. What if he gets injured again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭ec18


    They would be absolutely crazy to allow him to play in the Worlds. Crazy, crazy, crazy. What if he gets injured again?

    He's going to have to play sometime.........can't wrap him in cotton wool :P

    What he needs is competitive game time and if he can play in a deeper rotation during the summer where there'll be less offensive load on him then it's only good for the bulls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    ec18 wrote: »
    He's going to have to play sometime.........can't wrap him in cotton wool :P

    What he needs is competitive game time and if he can play in a deeper rotation during the summer where there'll be less offensive load on him then it's only good for the bulls.


    Completely disagree on letting him play for the Worlds. The international game is different (slower and more physical to start) to the NBA game in many ways. And the question for the Bulls would be why risk him? Yes, of course he can't be wrapped in cotton wool and of course he has to play at some stage, but if you're the Bulls, that happens on your watch, with your trainers/medical team, on your schedule etc. - not someone else's. USA Basketball don't pay his wages.

    I'm sure Chicago fans would be none too enthused if he goes down playing for the US. All the arguments would be he came back to soon, wasn't ready, WTF is he doing playing for them jeopardising his chances of playing for the Bulls etc.

    This will not happen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭ec18


    Completely disagree on letting him play for the Worlds. The international game is different (slower and more physical to start) to the NBA game in many ways. And the question for the Bulls would be why risk him? Yes, of course he can't be wrapped in cotton wool and of course he has to play at some stage, but if you're the Bulls, that happens on your watch, with your trainers/medical team, on your schedule etc. - not someone else's. USA Basketball don't pay his wages.

    I'm sure Chicago fans would be none too enthused if he goes down playing for the US. All the arguments would be he came back to soon, wasn't ready, WTF is he doing playing for them jeopardising his chances of playing for the Bulls etc.

    This will not happen.

    Fair enough I think we'll have to agree to disagree......haven't the bulls already given the go ahead for rose to play for USA?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    ec18 wrote: »
    Fair enough I think we'll have to agree to disagree......haven't the bulls already given the go ahead for rose to play for USA?


    I think what they've done (but I am open to correction on this) is allow him to participate in the training camp. Thibs is a US assistant for the Worlds, but I honestly can't see him playing - regardless of fitness or form.

    It just makes NO sense to allow this. I'm not a Bulls fan btw, just can't see how this will be allowed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    140506095228-kevin-durant-mvp-art-for-3pack-050614.home-t3.jpg

    Thunder forward Kevin Durant has been named NBA MVP for the first time during his seven-year career.

    ESPN.com reports that the league’s scoring champ will officially be recognized as 2014 NBA MVP early next week.

    Durant, 25, finished second to Heat forward LeBron James in the 2012 and 2013 MVP votes. The five-time All-Star emerged as the MVP favorite this season by averaging a career-high 32 points, 7.4 rebounds, 5.5 assists and 1.3 steals while shooting 50.3 percent from the field and 39.1 percent from deep. Durant led the NBA in Player Efficiency Rating, Win Shares, minutes played, points, field goals, field goal attempts, free throws, free throw attempts and usage rate.

    Additionally, Durant led the Thunder to a 59-23 record, good for the second-best in the Western Conference, even though All-Star guard Russell Westbrook was in and out of the lineup all season due to knee injuries. Durant likely solidified his MVP chances when he scored at least 25 points in 41 consecutive games, eclipsing Bulls legend Michael Jordan for the longest such streak during the three-point era. Along the way, Durant tallied a career-high 54 points against the Warriors and 51 points, including a game-winner, against the Raptors. All told, Durant scored at least 40 points in 14 different games this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭D2D


    Voting results for MVP (total points in brackets):

    1) Kevin Durant (1232)
    2) LeBron James (891)
    3) Blake Griffin (434)
    4) Joakim Noah (322)
    5) James Harden (85)
    6) Stephan Curry (66)
    7) Chris Paul (45)
    8) Al Jefferson (34)
    9) Paul George (33)
    10) LaMarcus Aldridge (26)
    11) Kevin Love (25)
    12) Tim Duncan (21)
    13) Tony Parker (21)
    14) Dirk Nowitzki (7)
    15) Carmelo Anthony (4)
    16) Goran Dragic (3)
    17) Mike Conley (1)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Nuri Sahin wrote: »
    Might as well ask it now, but what next for the following teams after their opening round elimination from the Playoffs.. ?

    Chicago Bulls
    Have Boozer shot. Repeatedly if necessary, just to ensure there's no chance of him ever coming back.

    Have D.Rose rebuild like Robocop or something to keep him in working order.

    Use available cap space, of which there's a good bit with Deng and Boozer out of the way, to bring in a volume scorer. If they can play D, all the better.

    Import Mirotic, although realistically, I don't see him coming across until 2015.

    Use the two draft picks wisely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,301 ✭✭✭padraig_f


    Have Boozer shot. Repeatedly if necessary, just to ensure there's no chance of him ever coming back.

    Ha, I think that'll be one of the highlights of Bulls' off-season if/when Boozer gets amnestied.


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