Holy Mother of.... Bulletproof Coffee

generic2012 wrote: »

Why don't you post the relevant ones so?

Here's any idea for you- try it yourself- make up your own mind. Careful of the calories though! You could incorporate it into your high fat days on your macro cycling!

generic2012 wrote: »

I have made up my mind, based on evidence, not by reading blog posts by charasmatic scam artists who prey on simple minded numbskulls.

Do you even know what a calorie is? I hope you're not trying to make fun of me?

I'd never pick on someone for being a fat golfer, giving advice on athletic endeavours and diet, who doesn't seem to be able to read, who is so woefully and willfully ignorant of his absolute stupidity that he'd sooner believe a whole forum is wrong than admit to himself that he's a nuthugging fanboy with no clue of what he's on about.

I actually got bored reading that. Make the insults shorter. I dont have the cognitive capabilities at the moment as i havent had my bulletproof coffee today

generic2012 wrote: »

Come on, try to make yourself at least look smart, for your own good, have some self respect. At least post a scientific article, not newspaper articles and blog posts. If not why not?

Robert H Lustig. I think it's fair to say he knows what he's talking about. You on the other hand ....

lads calm down, we're all coffee lovers here.

I think I'll give it a go, comparing it to my usual porridge breakfast to see which keeps me full the longest.

I am worried about the amount of fat and calories in a cup of BPC though. I would prefer if i can to not change my entire diet to allow me to have a cup of BPC in the morning. After all, I'm only trying it in hope it will boost my cognitive performance, not to promote weight loss.

Joziburg wrote: »

...a tablespoon, that not the really really large spoon? thats a lot of butter!?

1 tablespoon = 15 grams

Undeadfred wrote: »

God you've a lot of hate for this thread. What you got against Bulletproof Coffee?

I'm trying it because I'm interested in the idea and want to find out personally what effects it will have on my mind and body. Also because Dave Asprey claims it improves cognition and a lot of people love it, so they must love it for a reason.
Doing my own research it seems having youre body run on fat rather than carbs could well possess some cognitive improving effects as well as metabolic and cellular benefits.

Yes the brain runs better on fat than carbs is the theory. Did you look up Dave Aspreys version of the food pyramid.

generic2012 wrote: »

You said you have high doubts, you don't want to turn into a paleo head, your 19 year old friend had to have heart surgery after doing paleo and then you said you think its ridiculous. It's not hate, I find genuinely interesting that you still want it to work even though all evidence says that it's non sense. I have interests in peoples' thought processes - conservatism, sunk cost fallacy, anchoring effect, confirmation bias, and illusory truth effect would all apply in this situation, if you wanted to look them up. They're quite interesting, I think anyway...

See, you're wrong when you say 'all evidence says its non sense'. This friend of mine who's on Paleo is a freakin' genius, and after reading how having a ketogenic diet could improve brain function, I'm starting to think his diet was one of the reasons he was so smart. One of the main reasons im considering trying this diet is its cognitive effects. Also, his heart problem was most likely unrelated to his diet, as his doctors changed his diet very little after he began having heart troubles.

Yes I am probably playing right into Dave Asprey's hand and slowly becoming convinced the diet works. Probably falling under all of the categories you listed above. You would say confirmation bias, I would say I'm being hopeful the diet will make me smarter. Its called being optimistic. Besides, I may as well try it, and they're hasnt been any evidence proving the theory wrong. Not that I've found anyway

Undeadfred wrote: »

The theory is good enough for me, after all, I'm studying Theoretical Physics in college haha

Is this it?
http://whatnottodoinloveandbusiness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/BulletProof-Diet-Infographic-1024x656.jpg

Yes that's it. Essentially the same as same as Mark Sisson, Ben Greenfield etc .

generic2012 wrote: »

If you're doing theoretical physics you should be familiar with the scientific discourse and know that it is impossible to prove a theory wrong.

eh, no its not. A theory is instantly proved wrong if only a single counterexample is found. ie, if a massive body is not affected by gravity, then we would have to rethink the laws of gravity as the theory will have been proven wrong.
However, it is impossible to prove a theory right, if that is what you are thinking of. We can find evidence that SUPPORTS the theory, but the theory can never be proven beyond all doubt.

generic2012 wrote: »

If it's purely to test for cognitive reasons, go for it, but don't fall the stuff about saturated fat being great. Sure it's demonised and has received a lot of somewhat undue disdain but that doesn't mean it's the best fat for you. Any studies I've seen that have shown a benefit to high fat diets have been with the introduction of PUFAs or by swapping saturated fat in the diet with unsaturated fats.

Yes, obviously if one thing is falsely critisised it doesnt mean that the opposite is true, I am still looking into the theory of it and have not yet gone on a ketogenic diet, but i am planning to next week. I'll look into the effects of saturated v unsaturated fats and decide myself which ill intake.

I've been putting kerrygold in my coffee for years, I didn't know it had a name! I usually have a pot before going to the gym if I have the time.

El_Dangeroso wrote:

Coconut oil will work. Just don't put in the same amount, coconut oil is rocket fuel compared to butter.

In terms of calories?

deisedude wrote: »

Is it possible to do an alternative of bullet proof coffee without the butter? I'm lactose intolerant so butter is not an option

Butterfat itself doesn't contain lactose (a sugar in milk). So you are probably ok with a good quality butter. Or better yet then clarified butter (non-fat butter solids removed)

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

In terms of energy provided. Coconut oil contains a fat called MCT. MCT can't be stored like other fats so it's burned up straight away like a carb, providing a rush of energy in the process.

MCTs are burned more readily than other fats, like carbs that's true. But they can't burn up into thin air, you need to burn them through activity*. It's like saying sugar isn't stored as it's burned burned up straight away - when in reality, being burned first just means taking the place of something else that is stored instead. Coconut oil still contains a significant amount of LCT fats which are the ones readily stored. Ultimately, I don't think it really matters which molecule is burnt and which is store if the end result is the same.

I'm fully on-board coconut oil/MCTs as a good fat. I just think that they get presented by a lot of paleo sites as bad science, in terms of the overall picture.


* Negligible thermogenic effects aside.

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Apologies I was glossing over a lot of biochemistry for the sake of brevity, you're absolutely right, coconut oil MCTs can be stored, but reesterifying them is energetically more expensive.

I figured that was the case. Was more commenting so nobody thought it was a magic food they couldn't pt on weight. I've actually seen that suggested elsewhere.

And just from personal experience, a shot of pure MCT oil will give you a similar burst of energy to a double espresso, so it also aids with it's own 'burning'

Never had pure MCT oil in a snot. Must try that. The cafe near my work have MCT oil for the bulletproof coffees. I wonder if they do me a bulletproof expresso (espresso+shot of MCT oil)

Mellor wrote: »

MCT oil in a snot

Am I the only one that caught this!?

Blacktie. wrote: »

Am I the only one that caught this!?

I didn;t comment as I was tryign to block the mental image out. Cheers for pointing it out again