Holy Mother of.... Bulletproof Coffee

rustyzip · 22-07-2014 9:48am #1

So I thought the whole bulletproof coffee was a bit mehhh..
I've been taking coconut oil in my green tea/coffee for years, I'd just throw a tablespoon in and accept the greasy film on the top.. I quite like the taste of coconut oil and it used to leave my lips nice and soft

However, this morning I decided to try bulletproof coffee..
I made a double shot coffee with nespresso, put a large tablespoon of unsalted butter and same if coconut oil in my blendtek with a few cacao nibs, a scraping of a vanilla pod and a pinch of xylitol..

Jesus H Christ... I am buzzing!

The last time I felt this energised and alerts was in Las Vegas on a J1 and I had ingested something quite expensive and illegal.

Can't wait to see if I have a crash mid-morning!

generic2012 · 22-07-2014 10:28am

Have to agree, placebo is a powerful thing all right.

...and you were ripped off in Vegas.

Bruno26 · 22-07-2014 10:48am

It's great stuff. I've been drinking it for a fair while now. I always find it gives you a burst of energy. It's great to take in the morning. It also makes you feel satiated for a few hours. It's also very tasty. I've made it for a number if people who were shocked it had butter in it and at how tasty it was.

I'm sceptical of his claims on the type of coffee to use though. I suppose he's just trying to make his money through his brand.

They've been drinking it in Tibet for centuries.

rustyzip · 22-07-2014 11:15am

Bruno26 wrote: »

It's great stuff. I've been drinking it for a fair while now. I always find it gives you a burst of energy. It's great to take in the morning. It also makes you feel satiated for a few hours. It's also very tasty. I've made it for a number if people who were shocked it had butter in it and at how tasty it was.

I'm sceptical of his claims on the type of coffee to use though. I suppose he's just trying to make his money through his brand.

They've been drinking it in Tibet for centuries.

Ya, I'm not imagining it.
Didn't have a great sleep last night.
Nearly three hours after drinking it and my fingers are still doing 90 on my keyboard

Blacktie. · 22-07-2014 11:27am

rustyzip wrote: »

Ya, I'm not imagining it.

I don't think you know how placebo works.

Anyway I've never tried it myself so can't really comment on it. Must give it a shot someday just to see what all the fuss is about.

Alf Veedersane · 22-07-2014 11:32am

Mark Twain called it 'a good coffee spoiled'.

ford2600 · 22-07-2014 11:34am

rustyzip wrote: »

Ya, I'm not imagining it.
Didn't have a great sleep last night.
Nearly three hours after drinking it and my fingers are still doing 90 on my keyboard

Fair bit of snake oil associated with it though, this special bean and that special oil etc.

I have it some mornings with a tea spoon of both butter and coconut fat. I find a tablespoon way too much. This morning at 7 I had a double espresso without fat and just about to eat breakfast now, without any real difference in energy levels compared to yesterday when I had a bulletproof coffee

Hard enough to separate out if energy boost is from a lot of caffeine or fat.

catallus · 22-07-2014 11:36am

I've just heard of this thing too. Does it not give you the wild-shítes?

ford2600 · 22-07-2014 11:38am

Blacktie. wrote: »

I don't think you know how placebo works.

Anyway I've never tried it myself so can't really comment on it. Must give it a shot someday just to see what all the fuss is about.

Be near a toilet would be my advice.

Your body may reject it one way or another...

rustyzip · 22-07-2014 11:43am

Blacktie. wrote: »

I don't think you know how placebo works.

Anyway I've never tried it myself so can't really comment on it. Must give it a shot someday just to see what all the fuss is about.

I do thanks!
I'm usually starving and knackered at this time of the morning and I'm not.

Not a fan of 'snake oil'.... I try and test things and make up my own mind

PinkLemonade · 22-07-2014 11:50am

I'm really confused, can someone explain what this is? I thought it had something to do with the coffee?

Is it just coffee and fat or is there more to it?

rustyzip · 22-07-2014 11:58am

PinkLemonade wrote: »

I'm really confused, can someone explain what this is? I thought it had something to do with the coffee?

Is it just coffee and fat or is there more to it?

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/health-fitness/trends-fads/what-is-bulletproof-coffee

generic2012 · 22-07-2014 12:11pm

PinkLemonade wrote: »

Is it just coffee and fat or is there more to it?

Nothing more to it, just coffee with extra calories.

Bruno26 · 22-07-2014 12:21pm

Coffee with butter and coconut oil. Those are good for you and do not make you fat so don't worry about the extra calories. You also eat less after drinking it as you feel full for longer so you actually could be eating less calories over the course of a day.

PinkLemonade · 22-07-2014 1:44pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Coffee with butter and coconut oil. Those are good for you and do not make you fat so don't worry about the extra calories. You also eat less after drinking it as you feel full for longer so you actually could be eating less calories over the course of a day.

This post makes no sense, why are you saying that the extra calories won't matter and won't make me fat, but also that I'll eat less calories altogether? Which is it?
Either calories count or they don't, not both?

Blacktie. · 22-07-2014 1:46pm

Here we go again.

PinkLemonade · 22-07-2014 1:50pm

Blacktie. wrote: »

Here we go again.

Sorry

I'm tempted to try this bit 400-500 calories worth of fat seems like a lot on the morning, dunno if i could stomach it, i might try see if it works for me but I'm a little dubious after reading the article

Bruno26 · 22-07-2014 1:54pm

PinkLemonade wrote: »

This post makes no sense, why are you saying that the extra calories won't matter and won't make me fat, but also that I'll eat less calories altogether? Which is it?
Either calories count or they don't, not both?

It is sort of both!

Calories count but don't count them! I don't count calories. I don't need to as I consume under 150 grams of carbs daily.

A previous post said it's coffee with extra calories. Now this would put many people off from drinking it.

I'm saying you won't get fat by eating butter and coconut oil. The good fat satisfies the appetite. After taking it you won't be hungry or feel like snacking. You can go longer without eating so over the course of a day you might actually eat less calories.

That's if you are someone who counts calories.

ford2600 · 22-07-2014 1:55pm

PinkLemonade wrote: »

Sorry

I'm tempted to try this bit 400-500 calories worth of fat seems like a lot on the morning, dunno if i could stomach it, i might try see if it works for me but I'm a little dubious after reading the article

If you wish to try it, start with a much smaller amount.

There is no magic to it, and your body won't react well to 500 calories of fat on first go.

Why do you want to try it?

generic2012 · 22-07-2014 1:58pm

PinkLemonade wrote: »

Sorry

I'm tempted to try this bit 400-500 calories worth of fat seems like a lot on the morning, dunno if i could stomach it, i might try see if it works for me but I'm a little dubious after reading the article

What are you expecting it to do? It tastes nice and has lots of calories like a snickers. If you like, it make it fit in to your diet if you really want it, but easier to just exclude it.

PinkLemonade · 22-07-2014 2:06pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

It is sort of both!

Calories count but don't count them! I don't count calories. I don't need to as I consume under 150 grams of carbs daily.

A previous post said it's coffee with extra calories. Now this would put many people off from drinking it.

I'm saying you won't get fat by eating butter and coconut oil. The good fat satisfies the appetite. After taking it you won't be hungry or feel like snacking. You can go longer without eating so over the course of a day you might actually eat less calories.

That's if you are someone who counts calories.

Whatever works for you!

Blacktie. · 22-07-2014 4:24pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

It is sort of both!

Calories count but don't count them! I don't count calories. I don't need to as I consume under 150 grams of carbs daily.

A previous post said it's coffee with extra calories. Now this would put many people off from drinking it.

I'm saying you won't get fat by eating butter and coconut oil. The good fat satisfies the appetite. After taking it you won't be hungry or feel like snacking. You can go longer without eating so over the course of a day you might actually eat less calories.

That's if you are someone who counts calories.

Yes. Finally!

Precious flower · 23-07-2014 1:12am

Pity both coconut oil and coffee make me gag! Cant stand the smell of either! The energy boost sounds good!

SteelyDanJalapeno · 23-07-2014 1:29am

Bruno26 wrote: »

It is sort of both!

Calories count but don't count them! I don't count calories. I don't need to as I consume under 150 grams of carbs daily.

A previous post said it's coffee with extra calories. Now this would put many people off from drinking it.

I'm saying you won't get fat by eating butter and coconut oil. The good fat satisfies the appetite. After taking it you won't be hungry or feel like snacking. You can go longer without eating so over the course of a day you might actually eat less calories.

That's if you are someone who counts calories.

I can't believe this stuff is still being posted

_Whimsical_ · 23-07-2014 1:36am

Wouldn't coffee loaded with cream served with a cream bun do the same job? People have consumed all these ingredients together but in different guises for years with no extraordinary life changing effect.

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 7:59am

TiltedBrain wrote: »

I can't believe this stuff is still being posted

Another great contribution to the thread! What exactly can't you believe?

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 8:08am

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Wouldn't coffee loaded with cream served with a cream bun do the same job? People have consumed all these ingredients together but in different guises for years with no extraordinary life changing effect.

Yes you could also put coconut oil in with coffee and cream (also very tasty) but without the bun as it's high carb. It's high fat you are consuming not high carb. I wouldn't say there's an extraordinary life changing effect. It's tasty, it's good for you, it's gives you energy and it gives you a feeling of satiety.

Alf Veedersane · 23-07-2014 8:09am

Bruno26 wrote: »

Yes you could also put coconut oil in with coffee and cream (also very tasty) but without the bun as it's high carb. It's high fat you are consuming not high carb. I wouldn't say there's an extraordinary life changing effect. It's tasty, it's good for you, it's gives you energy and it gives you a feeling of satiety.

Not if you've 150g of carbs to play with.

Blacktie. · 23-07-2014 8:15am

TiltedBrain wrote: »

I can't believe this stuff is still being posted

I think he's come round a little. No more talking about fat bringing on some magic metabolic process that makes you burn millions of calories but rather accepting that the additional fat loss on HFLC diets is due to greater satiety leading to eating less calories.

This also seems incredibly rude talking about someone while they're here reading it so sorry bout that Bruno.

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 8:37am

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Not if you've 150g of carbs to play with.

150g grams can't come from grains or sugar.

Alf Veedersane · 23-07-2014 8:47am

Bruno26 wrote: »

150g grams can't come from grains or sugar.

If my only other carbs were in vegetable form, I'd survive eating a bun.

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 8:52am

Blacktie. wrote: »

I think he's come round a little. No more talking about fat bringing on some magic metabolic process that makes you burn millions of calories but rather accepting that the additional fat loss on HFLC diets is due to greater satiety leading to eating less calories.

This also seems incredibly rude talking about someone while they're here reading it so sorry bout that Bruno.

You're grand!

That's part of it. However I still believe it's possible to eat 4000-5000 calories on a high fat low carb diet and still lose fat.

Deco99 · 23-07-2014 9:29am

Milk and sugar as normal?

Getting a coffee now, so i cant just dump a bit of kerrygold in?

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 11:45am

Deco99 wrote: »

Milk and sugar as normal?

Getting a coffee now, so i cant just dump a bit of kerrygold in?

Ingredients
Good coffee
Kerrygold or avonmore unsalted butter (2-4 tablespoons) and coconut oil (1 tablespoon )

Blend and drink

mad m · 23-07-2014 4:25pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Ingredients
Good coffee
Kerrygold or avonmore unsalted butter (2-4 tablespoons) and coconut oil (1 tablespoon )

Blend and drink

So no water or anything else just what you have above? Also whats this other MCT oil stuff?

Blacktie. · 23-07-2014 4:27pm

mad m wrote: »

So no water or anything else just what you have above? Also whats this other MCT oil stuff?

+water

Otherwise it would just be a horrible sludge...

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 4:33pm

mad m wrote: »

So no water or anything else just what you have above? Also whats this other MCT oil stuff?

You wouldn't be drinking much coffee without water!

I've never tried MCT oil. Apparently it gives you even more energy than coconut oil. The bulletproof coffee guy sells other stuff is on his site that claims to be even stronger again.

LeinsterDub · 23-07-2014 4:42pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

You wouldn't be drinking much coffee without water!

I've never tried MCT oil. Apparently it gives you even more energy than coconut oil. The bulletproof coffee guy sells other stuff is on his site that claims to be even stronger again.

I'm going to sell stuff on my website that's even stronger than his even stronger stuff. It has captured the qi of a mulling creatures
II'm calling it Cromulently researched unfatting drink & energy oil. Crude for short

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 4:47pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I'm going to sell stuff on my website that's even stronger than his even stronger stuff. It has captured the qi of a mulling creatures
II'm calling it Cromulently researched unfatting drink & energy oil. Crude for short

Good for you.

As I've said it's been drank in Tibet for centuries. This guy has made a business out of it. You can drink it without buying anything from him.

LeinsterDub · 23-07-2014 6:29pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Good for you.

As I've said it's been drank in Tibet for centuries. This guy has made a business out of it. You can drink it without buying anything from him.

Gunness has been drank in Ireland for centuries. I'm not sure of the relevance

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 6:33pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Gunness has been drank in Ireland for centuries. I'm not sure of the relevance

You're right- no relevance.

LeinsterDub · 23-07-2014 7:52pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

You're right- no relevance.

You'll of course explain the relevance now right?

Bruno26 · 23-07-2014 7:59pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

You'll of course explain the relevance now right?

No relevance with your comparison. The same way there is no relevance to your previous posts.

generic2012 · 24-07-2014 8:58am

@LeinsterDub
Accidentally thanked Bruno26's post, meant to thank your Guinness one! Be careful when you're using your phone, it can make you look like a lunatic!

Bruno26 · 24-07-2014 9:42am

generic2012 wrote: »

@LeinsterDub
Accidentally thanked Bruno26's post, meant to thank your Guinness one! Be careful when you're using your phone, it can make you look like a lunatic![/QUOTE

For a moment there I thought you had some cop on! Well done to both of you for contributing pure garbage to the thread.

Undeadfred · 01-08-2014 12:49pm

So I'm still trying to understand the science of this thing.

Dave Asprey said that drinking bulletproof coffee in the morning gives you all the benefits of fasting but that your body starts to burn fat.
What benefits are there from fasting? I was always under the impression that it was bad as your body goes into starvation mode and your metabolism slows down. This is where im skeptical as having coffee in the morning isnt food, therefore you arent eating breakfast, thefore your not starting your day right like all nutrition experts say.
I was always told that eating complex carbs and protein in the morning was the best way to give you energy throughout the day while keeping hunger at bay. In researching bulletproof coffee, ive only seen one video where im told that your body burns fat slower than carbs and protein. Is this the reasoning behind bulletproof coffee giving you energy and keeping you full for longer? I havent been able to find anything online about the benefits of having fat for breakfast rather than complex carbs.

Also, Dave Asprey says it gives you 'a boost in cognitive energy'. Why 'cognitive'? what's so special about MCT oil that it makes your brain work better?

any scientific links to this is much appreciated

generic2012 · 01-08-2014 2:04pm

Undeadfred wrote: »

So I'm still trying to understand the science of this thing.

There is none, it's nonsense.

Undeadfred wrote: »

Dave Asprey said that drinking bulletproof coffee in the morning gives you all the benefits of fasting but that your body starts to burn fat.

Fasting means you utilise body fat for energy during the fast, eating a high fat breakfast like bulletproof coffee means you'll burn the fat in the coffee at the cost of utilising bodyfat.

Undeadfred wrote: »

What benefits are there from fasting? I was always under the impression that it was bad as your body goes into starvation mode and your metabolism slows down. This is where im skeptical as having coffee in the morning isnt food, therefore you arent eating breakfast, thefore your not starting your day right like all nutrition experts say.

There's a slight rise in metabolism after about 12 hours of not eating, if you haven't eaten this means bodyfat is utilised, once you get to about 18 hours (depending on bodyfat levels) protein can be utilised.

Undeadfred wrote: »

I was always told that eating complex carbs and protein in the morning was the best way to give you energy throughout the day while keeping hunger at bay. In researching bulletproof coffee, ive only seen one video where im told that your body burns fat slower than carbs and protein. Is this the reasoning behind bulletproof coffee giving you energy and keeping you full for longer? I havent been able to find anything online about the benefits of having fat for breakfast rather than complex carbs.

Your body will use fat for energy in the morning if you don't eat, if you eat complex carbs it will use carbs for energy. Nothing magic about eating breakfast.

Undeadfred wrote: »

Also, Dave Asprey says it gives you 'a boost in cognitive energy'. Why 'cognitive'? what's so special about MCT oil that it makes your brain work better?

any scientific links to this is much appreciated

Caffeine has cognitive benefits, (so does fasting but the MCT/cocnut oil will negate this part) but the way way he talks about it is idiotic.

I use fasting but because of my massive appetite and for convenience.

Don't be mislead by 'burning fat' at different times of the day, it's daily caloric intake vs caloric expenditure that will dictate fat loss.

Very interesting scientific papers on fasting if you're that way inclined.

Bruno26 · 01-08-2014 2:20pm

Undeadfred wrote: »

So I'm still trying to understand the science of this thing.

Dave Asprey said that drinking bulletproof coffee in the morning gives you all the benefits of fasting but that your body starts to burn fat.
What benefits are there from fasting? I was always under the impression that it was bad as your body goes into starvation mode and your metabolism slows down. This is where im skeptical as having coffee in the morning isnt food, therefore you arent eating breakfast, thefore your not starting your day right like all nutrition experts say.
I was always told that eating complex carbs and protein in the morning was the best way to give you energy throughout the day while keeping hunger at bay. In researching bulletproof coffee, ive only seen one video where im told that your body burns fat slower than carbs and protein. Is this the reasoning behind bulletproof coffee giving you energy and keeping you full for longer? I havent been able to find anything online about the benefits of having fat for breakfast rather than complex carbs.

Also, Dave Asprey says it gives you 'a boost in cognitive energy'. Why 'cognitive'? what's so special about MCT oil that it makes your brain work better?

any scientific links to this is much appreciated

Good analysis of it here.

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/bulletproof-coffee

Better to take advice from this and make up your own mind.

I love it. I take it with a meal (usually breakfast) not instead of a meal. Provides plenty of energy for a few hours.

generic2012 · 01-08-2014 2:36pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Good analysis of it here.

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/bulletproof-coffee

Better to take advice from this and make up your own mind.

I love it. I take it with a meal (usually breakfast) not instead of a meal. Provides plenty of energy for a few hours.

He said scientific links

Bruno26 · 01-08-2014 2:41pm

generic2012 wrote: »

He said scientific links

Check out bottom of the article- you know where it says references!

generic2012 · 01-08-2014 2:45pm

Bruno26 wrote: »

Check out bottom of the article- you know where it says references!

Why don't you post the relevant ones so?

Holy Mother of.... Bulletproof Coffee

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