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"The Origin of Specious Nonsense"

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    wow really go do a one man picket now
    ... how about live and let live???

    ... give the man a break!!!!:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Kevin Myers 'hit the nail on the head', as far a Evolutionism is concerned ... "Theories of evolution when tested on the origin of protein molecules, not to speak of DNA, usually imitate Mr Gladstone when replying to Queen Victoria's question: "Yes, prime minister, but what is it exactly that lesbians do in bed?"

    Evolution cannot explain the most basic question about how a simple protein like insulin could have first been formed. "Simple" is a relative term: insulin is composed of 51 amino acids and has a molecular weight of 5808. Water is just 18. You can boil the primeval molecular broth for an awful long time and put it under enormous pressures, but you will not spontaneously create an insulin molecule, never mind one of the titin molecules, that have a molecular mass of almost 3,000,000 and a total length of almost 27,000 amino acids."


    Like I have said Geocentrism and Evolution complement each other perfectly, in the 'observationally challenged' stakes!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Just learn to ignore him sponsoredwalk, J C will never listen to anything you have to say and will always have some makey uppy "science" on hand to back himself up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    J C wrote: »
    ... how about live and let live???

    ... give the man a break!!!!:(

    why , this ignorance should not be allowed spread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    bluewolf wrote: »
    Irish times:

    Madam, — Michael Nugent of Atheist Ireland disapproves of Minister of Science Conor Lenihan’s appearance at the launch of a book arguing against belief in evolution. How times change! Fifty years ago we can imagine The Irish Timesreporting that representatives of religion are aghast at the idea of public figures appearing at launches of books promoting evolution!

    It seems science has become the new orthodoxy and woe betide any humble person who takes a different view. The imposition of science over God is truly the exaltation of man, the created being, over and above his Creator.

    Perhaps some scientists and humanists just cannot imagine any higher form of life than themselves. What arrogance! – Yours, etc,

    JASON O’DONNELL,

    St Michael’s Avenue,

    Tipperary.



    lolwut

    Shouldn't that read "the created being finally below it's creator." :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    darjeeling wrote: »
    And if anyone's not heard enough of John J May yet, here he was yesterday on Phantom FM in debate with TCD Genetics lecturer Aoife McLysaght: link
    (scroll down to 'Evolution Discussion')
    At last someone is there to put him in his place!! The worst thing about all this is there are people out there who won't know any better, and actually believe this guy has a clue!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    hhhahah he finally gets questioned on air she owned him


    Someone buy the nice lady a drink!
    That was overdue...i can sleep now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    Someone buy the nice lady a drink!
    That was overdue...i can sleep now.

    yeah she put him in his place about the pomegranates too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    darjeeling wrote: »
    And if anyone's not heard enough of John J May yet, here he was yesterday on Phantom FM in debate with TCD Genetics lecturer Aoife McLysaght: link
    (scroll down to 'Evolution Discussion')

    She creamed him, wish it went on for longer.

    More scientists showing his inconsistencies via mp3 please :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    J C wrote: »
    Kevin Myers 'is hit on the head with a nail', by a concerned Evolutionist ...

    Fixed that for you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    J C wrote: »
    Kevin Myers 'hit the nail on the head', as far as I am concerned ... "Theories of evolution when tested on the origin of protein molecules, not to speak of DNA, usually imitate Mr Gladstone when replying to Queen Victoria's question: "Yes, prime minister, but what is it exactly that lesbians do in bed?"

    Evolution cannot explain the most basic question about how a simple protein like insulin could have first been formed. "Simple" is a relative term: insulin is composed of 51 amino acids and has a molecular weight of 5808. Water is just 18. You can boil the primeval molecular broth for an awful long time and put it under enormous pressures, but you will not spontaneously create an insulin molecule, never mind one of the titin molecules, that have a molecular mass of almost 3,000,000 and a total length of almost 27,000 amino acids."


    Like I have said Geocentrism and Evolution complement each other perfectly, in the 'observationally challenged' stakes!!!

    Did you even read my post a minute ago where I answered this
    claim of his? Here it is again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Wicknight wrote: »
    I have a great penis but I'm not showing you is your chat up line? How that working out for you

    zing! :P:pac:
    ... action speaks louder than words!!!!:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Did you even read my post a minute ago where I answered this
    claim of his? Here it is again.

    Yep he read it.

    How to read a post creationist style
    vibe666 wrote: »
    i think he just assumes that because he himself hasn't evolved since he checked himself in the mirror last week that evolution doesn't exist. see, FACT!

    thats the problem with believing this 6000 years crap. once you close your mind to the idea that things could have happened over a much wider time period than that,
    it's impossible to comprehend that life could be continually evolving slowly over the course of thousands of generations during hundreds of millions or years.

    when you base your whole life and beliefs on a 2000 year old book written by a bunch of bronze age farmers and are told that this is the unimpeachable word of god and that you must never question it,
    you get to a point where you can't allow for even the tiniest possibility that it might just be a load of crap written by people living in mud huts who didn't know any better and that there might just be other explanations now that we're a little more knowledgeable about our world and how it (and we) work.

    the rest of us however understand that the scientists of today are building on the work of those that have come before them. continually questioning their predecessors works and improving and changing them as required when new ideas and discoveries present themselves and then building more on top of that for the next generation in turn to build from.

    thankfully for those of us happy to be living in a modern world, science demands that we question everything about everything, hence the word "theory" being used to often.

    we leave open the possibility that ANYTHING is subject to change if new evidence comes to light, but when something like the theory of evolution has stood up to the brightest minds in the world for this long, we can be 99.9999999% certain it's correct and that the word "theory" is only there to remind is that nothing is ever 100% guaranteed in science and it always leaves room for the possibility for things to change, just in case.


    having said that, i'm pretty sure that the millions of qualified scientists who've studied and dissected Darwin's work over the last 150 years would pretty much all agree that John May, who freely admits that he ISN'T a scientist IS ARE a total quacks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    yeah she put him in his place about the pomegranates too

    Genius; tequila sunrises on me....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Today I'm going to forget about anti-science and the rather sad and strange people who believe in it. Today, I'm going to celebrate. 175 years ago this day, Charles Darwin arrived in the Galapagos Islands.

    Here's some of the BBC's incredible footage of the islands.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    Genius; tequila sunrises on me....

    you and me take her out for a drink and show her our appreciation afterwards ay? lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    you and me take her out for a drink and show her our appreciation afterwards ay? lol


    This is getting wierd...
    I only wanted to buy the nice lady a drink for dismantling May, now I'm double teaming her with a stranger in some drunken pro-evolutionist orgy...I'm not sure I'm ready for this....then again...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    This is getting wierd...
    I only wanted to buy the nice lady a drink for dismantling May, now I'm double teaming her with a stranger in some drunken pro-evolutionist orgy...I'm not sure I'm ready for this....then again...

    aww come on it'd be fun


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Yep he read it.

    How to read a post creationist style

    That's good :D

    I never would have been able to express it like that but you've captured my
    feelings perfectly! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    This is getting wierd...
    I only wanted to buy the nice lady a drink for dismantling May, now I'm double teaming her with a stranger in some drunken pro-evolutionist orgy...I'm not sure I'm ready for this....then again...

    Weird how evolutionismists conversationisms evolve eh? :pac:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    darjeeling wrote: »
    And if anyone's not heard enough of John J May yet, here he was yesterday on Phantom FM in debate with TCD Genetics lecturer Aoife McLysaght: link
    (scroll down to 'Evolution Discussion')
    Here you have an eminently qualified Scientist ... and an ordinary Dub debating ... and speaking as a scientist myself, I think that John gave an excellent account of himself.

    He was passionate, courteous, articulate and proved his points, starting with a quote from a mutually agreed eminent Evolutionary Biologist Prof Lynn Margulis who is a passionate anti-Darwinist. http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwinism/lynn-margulis-challenges-neo-darwinists-and-teaches-somewhere-now-but-she-has-interesting-ideas/

    Dr McLysaght, as you would expect from an eminently qualified scientist, was also highly articulate. However the DNA evidence cited by her as evidence for common ancestry is actually evidence for common designer ... as illustrated by the commonality of Banana DNA and Human DNA ... and this was pointed out by John May.

    I would summarise it as an excellent debate between two highly articulate and competent people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    This is getting wierd...
    I only wanted to buy the nice lady a drink for dismantling May, now I'm double teaming her with a stranger in some drunken pro-evolutionist orgy...I'm not sure I'm ready for this....then again...

    Oh Gawd, people, this is the number TWO hit on the google search for the book title. Let's not make this good geneticist the topic of Kevin Myers disdain for dogmatic evolutionists and their repugnant erotic internet thoughts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    J C wrote: »
    Here you have an eminently qualified Scientist ... and an ordinary Dub debating ... and speaking as scientist myself, I think that John gave an excellent account of himself.

    He was passionate, courteous, articulate and proved his points, starting with a quote from a mutually agreed eminent Evolutionary Biologist Prof Lynn Margulis who is a passionate anti-Darwinist. http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwinism/lynn-margulis-challenges-neo-darwinists-and-teaches-somewhere-now-but-she-has-interesting-ideas/

    Dr McLysaght, as you would expect from an eminently qualified scientist, was also highly articulate. However the DNA evidence cited by her as evidence for common ancestry is actually evidence for common designer ... as illustrated by the commonality of Banana DNA and Human DNA ... and this was pointed out by John May.

    I would summarise it as an excellent debate between two highly articulate and competent people.

    Your a scientist?

    Oh god (ironic)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    J C wrote: »
    He was passionate, courteous, articulate and proved his points

    eh?

    I actually thought he came across as quite aggressive tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Oh Gawd, people, this is the number TWO hit on the google search for the book title. Let's not make this good geneticist the topic of Kevin Myers disdain for dogmatic evolutionists and their repugnant erotic internet thoughts.

    Not anymore, google has evolved....dare I say spontaneously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    Your a scientist?

    Oh god (ironic)

    While I have stringent doubts about JC's claim that he is a scientist, all I have to do is remind myself of this guy to see that it is actually plausible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    J C wrote: »
    and speaking as scientist myself

    :eek:

    Stranger things Horatio, stranger things...

    I bet we've got a creation scientist on boards :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    :eek:

    Stranger things Horatio, stranger things...

    I bet we've got a creation scientist on boards :cool:
    I didn't know such a thing existed , WITCHCRAFT I TELLS YOU WITCHCRAFT (no offence to wiccans i love you guys <3 )


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    Ididn't know such a thing existed , WITCHCRAFT I TELLS YOU WITCHCRAFT

    No that would be the spontaneous eruption of eruption of man from muck.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    J C wrote: »
    and speaking as scientist myself....

    Having left out the all important 'a' in the above sentence I'm asuming there is a person or thing called 'scientist myself' and this person or thing has nothing to do with scienece. In which case I believe you.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Did you even read my post a minute ago where I answered this
    claim of his? Here it is again.
    'Queen Victoria's question' still hasn't been answered by any of these papers ... HOW did the specific sequences arrange themselves spontaneously ... when we find that insulin is tightly specified (or in Evolutionist Speak 'highly conserved during Vertebrate evolution')!!!

    Stop ponsing about ... and answer the question ... you might even win €10 Grand!!!
    ... or lose your faith in Evolution!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    :eek:

    Stranger things Horatio, stranger things...

    I bet we've got a creation scientist on boards :cool:

    Ooooh Oooh Ooh, I forgot! This marvellous scientist.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    FCKIN love that show


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    eh?

    I actually thought he came across as quite aggressive tbh.
    ... just shows that you cannot be objective about the man ... who is a courteous gentleman to his (intelligently designed) fingertips.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    J C wrote: »
    'Queen Victoria's question' still hasn't been answered by any of these papers ... HOW did the specific sequences arrange themselves spontaneously ... when we find that insulin is tightly specified (or in Evolutionist Speak 'highly conserved during Vertebrate evolution')!!!

    Stop ponsing about ... and answer the question ... you might even win €10 Grand!!!
    ... or lose your faith in Evolution!!!

    \hmmm treats diabetes and disproves evolution...handy hormone indeed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    J C wrote: »
    ... just shows that you cannot be objective about the man ... who is a courteous gentleman to his (intelligently designed) fingertips.

    he has been aggressive on every radio program he is like Bill O'Reilly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    Dougla2 wrote: »
    he has been aggressive on every radio program he is like Bill O'Reilly


    "SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE"

    [shows evidence]

    "NO NOT THAT EVIDENCE..."

    Repeat as required.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    Having left out the all important 'a' in the above sentence I'm asuming there is a person or thing called 'scientist myself' and this person or thing has nothing to do with scienece. In which case I believe you.
    ... stop nit picking and 'sweating the small stuff' ... this must be the Atheists equivalent of arguing about how many angels could dance on the end of a pin ... or some other such irrelevancy!!!!

    There is an enormous evidentially challenged evolutionist 'elephant in the room' ... and the best you can come up with is to cite a typo on my part ... the non-inclusion of the letter 'a' in one sentence!!!!:eek:


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    \hmmm treats diabetes and disproves evolution...handy hormone indeed.
    Yes indeed!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    \hmmm treats diabetes and disproves evolution...handy hormone indeed.
    "Treats" is a bit of a strange choice of word. Diabetes is essentially the inability to produce the stuff yourself. That's why diabetics inject it.

    I'm confused by what I've seen of Meyers excrement reproduced here. Our bodies make insulin from other stuff. It's not like we first licked it up off the ground after it spontaneously appeared among pond scum. Which brings me neatly back to Meyers...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,172 ✭✭✭Ghost Buster


    Ahhhhhhhhh. How cute.:o:o:o:o:P. JC has found a Buzz Light year to his Woody. Its such a shame that he seems to be regarded by most as a crank at the very least and as a nut job by the less forgiving.:D:o:eek::eek::P:);):


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Malty_T wrote: »
    While I have stringent doubts about JC's claim that he is a scientist, all I have to do is remind myself of this guy to see that it is actually plausible.
    ... a man after my own heart ... scientifically ... but not personally!!!!

    WHAT more do you want ... the man is a Nobel Laureate!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    J C wrote: »
    ... stop nit picking and 'sweating the small stuff' ... this must be the Atheists equivalent of arguing how many angels could dance on the end of a pin ... or some other such irrelevancy!!!!

    Can't let the small things go...we'd end up with all kinds of nonsense if we did...perhaps you should concentrate on the small?
    !!!:rolleyes::):D;)

    There is an enormous evidentially challenged evolutionist 'elephant in the room' ... and the best you can come up with is to cite a typo on my part ... the non-inclusion of the letter 'a' in one sentence!!!!:eek:

    Usually wouldn't look that closely I must admit but the alterntative was baffling so I knew there had to be a caveat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    just because evolution cant explain insulin a flying magic wizard made everything?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    mikhail wrote: »
    "Treats" is a bit of a strange choice of word. Diabetes is essentially the inability to produce the stuff yourself. That's why diabetics inject it.

    I'm confused by what I've seen of Meyers excrement reproduced here. Our bodies make insulin from other stuff. It's not like we first licked it up off the ground after it spontaneously appeared among pond scum. Which brings me neatly back to Meyers...

    Yeah should have at least said treatment.
    I can see your confusion as momentarily you were wondering which restaurant insulin was taking diabetes to...:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    J C wrote: »
    ... a man after my own heart ... scientifically ... but not personally!!!!

    WHAT more do you want ... the man is a Nobel Laureate!!!!

    Sorry JC, but I am one of those people who doesn't subscribe to the idea that having a higher pay grade, Ph D, Nobel Prize, adds merit to the value of that person's personal opinions. Their opinions gain merit by demonstrating the logic and evidence behind them, not by invoking their authority on the subject. He could have cured cancer for all I care, it still doesn't lend his opinions extra credence in my view.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    stevejazzx wrote: »
    Can't let the small things go...we'd end up with all kinds of nonsense if we did...perhaps you should concentrate on the small?
    !!!:rolleyes::):D;)
    ... so you basically sweat the small stuff ... but you seem to be unable to see the (invalid) Evolutionist 'wood' ... from the (valid) NS 'tree'!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    J C wrote: »
    ... so you're a nit picking control freak ... who cannot see the (invalid) Evolutionist 'wood' ... from the (valid) NS 'tree'!!!!


    Are you speaking as 'scientist myself' again?:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Ahhhhhhhhh. How cute.:o:o:o:o:P. JC has found a Buzz Light year to his Woody. Its such a shame that he seems to be regarded by most as a crank at the very least and as a nut job by the less forgiving.:D:o:eek::eek::P:);):
    To quote Kevin again "Evolutionism is now basically just another belief system, but one that depends on a great deal of science; and where science doesn't supply the answers, it launches itself into a mass of abstractions and elaborate essays in Yetology, as in: "Science has not YET explained the emergence of the first peptides, however . . ." The "yet" is evidence of the dogmatic belief in the power of the future tense, in which science, like the US Seventh Cavalry, will always come to the rescue; and the "however" is the gateway to theorising of the kind that in a different belief system is used to offer "plausible" explanations for the utterly implausible dogmas, such as those of the Blessed Trinity or Papal Infallibility."

    ... so where did you study for your degree in Yetology?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 227 ✭✭Dougla2


    J C wrote: »
    To quote Kevin again "Evolutionism is now basically just another belief system, but one that depends on a great deal of science; and where science doesn't supply the answers, it launches itself into a mass of abstractions and elaborate essays in Yetology, as in: "Science has not YET explained the emergence of the first peptides, however . . ." The "yet" is evidence of the dogmatic belief in the power of the future tense, in which science, like the US Seventh Cavalry, will always come to the rescue; and the "however" is the gateway to theorising of the kind that in a different belief system is used to offer "plausible" explanations for the utterly implausible dogmas, such as those of the Blessed Trinity or Papal Infallibility."

    ... so where did you study for your degree in Yetology?


    get out of my internet


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