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A college degree doesnt define intelligence but plain hard work

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  • #32
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    No. Not because of it's meaning, but because it's poorly structured.

    "Its" is possessive, "it's" is a contraction of "it is", you uneducated dunderhead.


  • #33
    ToddyDoody
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    Why is the op trading intelligence against hard work.. Obviously its a mix of both and obviously the ratios will vary from person to person and obviously there are other factors involved. Why the need to oversimplify, leave that to right wingers :)


  • #34
    LaminatorSGL
    Registered Users Posts: 48 ✭LaminatorSGL


    Hardly, I maintain a 2.1 with sh*t all effort.


  • #35
    Shryke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    I know 1 goofy eejit who scraped a masters. Never mind the intelligence debate or even the work debate. This guy just flailed his way incompetently through everything. I was project leader on a project and he was given as one of my team along with 2 guys that had already dropped out and one other who was one of the mentally oddest people I've ever met. Not the best course and I didn't stay much longer after that.

    A college degree defines a person as having worked for and obtained a degree from a college. That's my 2 cents and I don't think I'm being particularly obtuse.


  • #36
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    A college degree is a handy thing to have, it gets your foot in the door. But then you do your real on the job training. The smartest guy I ever met in my life left school when he was 12 but a genius at his chosen (or stumbled into) field.

    I have met some very stupid guys with a degree or worse a senior position, some people think get a degree or a rank and you are automatically smart. I now think intelligence and creativity is more natural, no matter your education.


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  • #37
    Eathrin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Eathrin


    44leto wrote: »
    A college degree is a handy thing to have, it gets your foot in the door. But then you do your real on the job training. The smartest guy I ever met in my life left school when he was 12 but a genius at his chosen (or stumbled into) field.

    I have met some very stupid guys with a degree or worse a senior position, some people think get a degree or a rank and you are automatically smart. I now think intelligence and creativity is more natural, no matter your education.

    Out of interest what is it that the genius ended up doing?

    You can get 600 points in your leaving cert and get any college degree you want, but that doesn't make you intelligent. The intelligent ones will know how to apply themselves in the real world and find success, whatever that is relative to them.


  • #38
    mackg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    A degree takes a certain amount of work to get, people who have a natural ability and an interest in their field of study will have to put in less effort than those that don't. As 44lleto said it will get your foot in the door after college too but once there it won't compensate for stupidity.


  • #39
    HazDanz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,300 ✭✭✭HazDanz


    My degree was put in a safety tube at graduation. It took me five minutes to figure out how to open it.

    Degrees clearly define intelligence.


  • #40
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    degrees in reality are worthless,if you had to work in the workplace day to day for four years learning then they might be actually worth something other than a piece of paper that would get you a job.



    did i just describe an apprenticeship?


  • #41
    D1stant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    Intelligence has nothing to do with degrees or hard work.

    No
    MIT advanced Physics graduate versus Knuckles the Coal delivery man

    Yes
    Tourism degree versus Einstein


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  • #42
    Zillah
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    degrees in reality are worthless,if you had to work in the workplace day to day for four years learning then they might be actually worth something other than a piece of paper that would get you a job.

    did i just describe an apprenticeship?

    If you did then you did so with a level of grammar I would expect from someone who thinks a degree is worthless.


  • #43
    Sykk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk


    Working a full time job, studying a language and averaging a 1st class honors in my degree with pretty much 2 weeks study before the exams....

    Experience > Academics.

    Some of my lecturers are pretty clueless were they teaching their subject in a real corporate environment...


  • #44
    TanG411
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭TanG411


    I knew a girl who is currently studying pharmacy. She wouldn't exactly be on the ball. Might be good at learning and writing reports, but has no common sense.


  • #45
    Celly Smunt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Zillah wrote: »
    If you did then you did so with a level of grammar I would expect from someone who thinks a degree is worthless.
    grammar?,oh lord no :eek: you certainly can throw a punch.


  • #46
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,311 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    degrees in reality are worthless,if you had to work in the workplace day to day for four years learning then they might be actually worth something other than a piece of paper that would get you a job.

    Unless you're a doctor. Or a lawyer. Actually, just doctors


  • #47
    dambarude
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,503 Mod ✭✭✭✭dambarude


    It depends on the course. Some require lots of fact-learning and regurgitation, others require a lot of critical thinking, while some others require lots of logical ability. I do think that hard work will get you a long way with a lot of courses though.


  • #48
    MisterEpicurus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 588 ✭✭✭MisterEpicurus


    Generally speaking, yes, it requires a lot of hard work. Whether or not the individual has a high intelligence is an entirely different question that can be tested in entirely different ways.


  • #49
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    You fools!

    The OP is just using our answers to form part of their thesis, thus gaining a degree themselves using neither hard work or intelligence thus disproving both parts of the original statement and negating the whole thread.

    Stop answering or this whole site might disappear into a vortex of contradiction!


  • #50
    pragmatic1
    Registered Users Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Sky King wrote: »
    I know a lot of stupid people with degrees.
    Me too but I dont know any stupid people with degrees in physics, math, electronic engineering, biochemistry, medicine, etc.


  • #51
    Eathrin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,076 ✭✭✭Eathrin


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    You fools!

    The OP is just using our answers to form part of their thesis, thus gaining a degree themselves using neither hard work or intelligence thus disproving both parts of the original statement and negating the whole thread.

    Stop answering or this whole site might disappear into a vortex of contradiction!

    Intelligent people don't gather opinions from AH:D


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  • #52
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,641 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    You fools!

    The OP is just using our answers to form part of their thesis, thus gaining a degree themselves using neither hard work or intelligence thus disproving both parts of the original statement and negating the whole thread.

    Stop answering or this whole site might disappear into a vortex of contradiction!

    I have an engineering degree and don't know what those big words mean


  • #53
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Eathrin wrote: »
    Out of interest what is it that the genius ended up doing?

    You can get 600 points in your leaving cert and get any college degree you want, but that doesn't make you intelligent. The intelligent ones will know how to apply themselves in the real world and find success, whatever that is relative to them.

    A builder, but a total master at it all, I mean every trade from the foundation up and a true work ethic to match. His cabinet and furniture making skills are amazing, a true craftsman. Most is self thought from experience as he had little choice as he is totally dyslexic. But he sees a problem and comes up with a solution. He can barely read and write but play him in chess or cards or give him a problem and then you see his natural intelligence.


  • #54
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    LordChessington wrote: »
    I have an engineering degree and don't know what those big words mean

    I got a grown up to help with them.

    And with the scissors.

    Always get a grown up to help you with the scissors.


  • #55
    andrew
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,372 Mod ✭✭✭✭andrew


    There's probably a positive correlation between the result someone gets in a degree and intelligence, but individual experiences will vary wildly. I know plenty of utter cappers who'll be obtaining a degree/have obtained a degree.


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