A college degree doesnt define intelligence but plain hard work

ForeverYoung90

Do you agree with this statement?

El Guapo!

Yes.


Any other questions?

Ficheall

Ní aontóinn leis an "hard" i "hard work".

I wouldn't agree with the "hard" in the "hard work" bit.

Eathrin

No one thing defines intelligence.
Care to argue?

EdenHazard

Sorta

ColeTrain

Dean09 wrote: »

Yes.


Any other questions?

OP is a poster of few words.

starbelgrade

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

Do you agree with this statement?

No. Not because of it's meaning, but because it's poorly structured.

lila44

but plain hard work what?

cabbage kid

Is a college degree supposed to define intelligence?

Well I could write a 4000 word essay on the subject and pass by compensation if that'd be okay? Probably hand it in a bit late too...

amacachi

No. Some people need to put in a huge amount of effort to get a degree, others can wing it with a comparatively tiny effort.

Nodin

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

Do you agree with this statement?

You'd have to know what college degree, what college, have some idea of the standard.............

lastlaugh

You get better job with Degree thoghu rater than Working really hard

amacachi

Sacramento wrote: »

Well I could write a 4000 word essay on the subject and pass by compensation if that'd be okay? Probably hand it in a bit late too...

That's boring, far more fun trying to get it in exactly on time.

Chuck Stone

Intelligence are dumb.

Nodin

lastlaugh wrote: »

You get better job with Degree thoghu rater than Working really hard

....actually you can do that by being related to the right people and just turning up.

Or riding the boss.

GLaDOS

I say it represents the sum of a mixture of hard work, intelligence and aptitude for a particular subject.

Mr. Rager

Nah, some people are just brilliant at English, Maths etc. and could fly through some degrees.

Joe10000

I think you've proved your own point

44leto

"A college degree doesnt define intelligence but plain hard work"

By the structure of that sentence/question/statement whatever, I can tell you never went to an Ivy league college.

staker

In my day being out on the lash 5 nights in the week wasn't considered hard work. PFFFF:rolleyes:

Gran Hermano

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

Do you agree with this statement?

Do you?

amacachi

amacachi wrote: »

That's boring, far more fun trying to get it in exactly on time.

Nah, far more entertaining to go see the lecturer and tell them you can't get it in on time because of X. Making up the excuse gets the creative juices flowing.

slimjimmc

No, I don't agree because for some it's not even hard work. It depends on many factors such as the complexity of the field studied, the quality of the tuition, and the attributes of the student (intellect, academic inclination, determination, etc). What is it though is a measure of learning.

Sky King

I know a lot of stupid people with degrees.

amacachi

Sacramento wrote: »

Nah, far more entertaining to go see the lecturer and tell them you can't get it in on time because of X. Making up the excuse gets the creative juices flowing.

I got bored of that in school. What I find fun is finding out how long it's been since a lecturer was in to pick their stuff up. Can hand stuff in a few days late but they'll never know :pac:

Sugar Free

Sky King wrote: »

I know a lot of stupid people with degrees.

I agree and I also know some people with degrees who did little more than turn up on the day of the exam and still got their 2.1's.

Paddy Cow

There is a difference between academic intelligence and being smart. Plenty of smart people don't have degrees but you do need a certain level of acadamec intelligence to get a degree. Alan Sugar doesn't have a degree but it never held him back. However, even though he is intelligent and a hard worker, I doubt he'd have lasted in university to complete a medical degree. Swings and roundabouts. Find what works for you and go with it. Doing a degree for the sake of it is dumb.

AboutTwoFiddy

ForeverYoung90 wrote: »

A college degree doesnt define intelligence but plain hard work

Yes and no.

It also shows that you're actually intelligent enough to put your brain to use and work hard enough to get your degree.

source

All a college degree shows for certain, is that the holder has been to college.

Jess16

People obtain degrees through a combination of intelligence and hard work. The more intelligence you have relative to your course, the less hard work is required and vice versa. Application of both or either are enough to acquire a degree

Zillah

starbelgrade wrote: »

No. Not because of it's meaning, but because it's poorly structured.

"Its" is possessive, "it's" is a contraction of "it is", you uneducated dunderhead.

ToddyDoody

Why is the op trading intelligence against hard work.. Obviously its a mix of both and obviously the ratios will vary from person to person and obviously there are other factors involved. Why the need to oversimplify, leave that to right wingers

LaminatorSGL

Hardly, I maintain a 2.1 with sh*t all effort.

Shryke

I know 1 goofy eejit who scraped a masters. Never mind the intelligence debate or even the work debate. This guy just flailed his way incompetently through everything. I was project leader on a project and he was given as one of my team along with 2 guys that had already dropped out and one other who was one of the mentally oddest people I've ever met. Not the best course and I didn't stay much longer after that.

A college degree defines a person as having worked for and obtained a degree from a college. That's my 2 cents and I don't think I'm being particularly obtuse.

44leto

A college degree is a handy thing to have, it gets your foot in the door. But then you do your real on the job training. The smartest guy I ever met in my life left school when he was 12 but a genius at his chosen (or stumbled into) field.

I have met some very stupid guys with a degree or worse a senior position, some people think get a degree or a rank and you are automatically smart. I now think intelligence and creativity is more natural, no matter your education.

Eathrin

44leto wrote: »

A college degree is a handy thing to have, it gets your foot in the door. But then you do your real on the job training. The smartest guy I ever met in my life left school when he was 12 but a genius at his chosen (or stumbled into) field.

I have met some very stupid guys with a degree or worse a senior position, some people think get a degree or a rank and you are automatically smart. I now think intelligence and creativity is more natural, no matter your education.

Out of interest what is it that the genius ended up doing?

You can get 600 points in your leaving cert and get any college degree you want, but that doesn't make you intelligent. The intelligent ones will know how to apply themselves in the real world and find success, whatever that is relative to them.

mackg

A degree takes a certain amount of work to get, people who have a natural ability and an interest in their field of study will have to put in less effort than those that don't. As 44lleto said it will get your foot in the door after college too but once there it won't compensate for stupidity.

HazDanz

My degree was put in a safety tube at graduation. It took me five minutes to figure out how to open it.

Degrees clearly define intelligence.

Celly Smunt

degrees in reality are worthless,if you had to work in the workplace day to day for four years learning then they might be actually worth something other than a piece of paper that would get you a job.



did i just describe an apprenticeship?

D1stant

Intelligence has nothing to do with degrees or hard work.

No
MIT advanced Physics graduate versus Knuckles the Coal delivery man

Yes
Tourism degree versus Einstein

Zillah

pmcmahon wrote: »

degrees in reality are worthless,if you had to work in the workplace day to day for four years learning then they might be actually worth something other than a piece of paper that would get you a job.

did i just describe an apprenticeship?

If you did then you did so with a level of grammar I would expect from someone who thinks a degree is worthless.

Sykk

Working a full time job, studying a language and averaging a 1st class honors in my degree with pretty much 2 weeks study before the exams....

Experience > Academics.

Some of my lecturers are pretty clueless were they teaching their subject in a real corporate environment...

TanG411

I knew a girl who is currently studying pharmacy. She wouldn't exactly be on the ball. Might be good at learning and writing reports, but has no common sense.

Celly Smunt

Zillah wrote: »

If you did then you did so with a level of grammar I would expect from someone who thinks a degree is worthless.

grammar?,oh lord no :eek: you certainly can throw a punch.

Grayson

pmcmahon wrote: »

degrees in reality are worthless,if you had to work in the workplace day to day for four years learning then they might be actually worth something other than a piece of paper that would get you a job.

Unless you're a doctor. Or a lawyer. Actually, just doctors

dambarude

It depends on the course. Some require lots of fact-learning and regurgitation, others require a lot of critical thinking, while some others require lots of logical ability. I do think that hard work will get you a long way with a lot of courses though.

MisterEpicurus

Generally speaking, yes, it requires a lot of hard work. Whether or not the individual has a high intelligence is an entirely different question that can be tested in entirely different ways.

AnonoBoy

You fools!

The OP is just using our answers to form part of their thesis, thus gaining a degree themselves using neither hard work or intelligence thus disproving both parts of the original statement and negating the whole thread.

Stop answering or this whole site might disappear into a vortex of contradiction!

pragmatic1

Sky King wrote: »

I know a lot of stupid people with degrees.

Me too but I dont know any stupid people with degrees in physics, math, electronic engineering, biochemistry, medicine, etc.

Eathrin

AnonoBoy wrote: »

You fools!

The OP is just using our answers to form part of their thesis, thus gaining a degree themselves using neither hard work or intelligence thus disproving both parts of the original statement and negating the whole thread.

Stop answering or this whole site might disappear into a vortex of contradiction!

Intelligent people don't gather opinions from AH:D