Man avoids jail for sexually assaulting two nieces

davet82 · 05-10-2012 10:16am #1

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/car-dealer-avoids-jail-for-sexually-assaulting-two-nieces-3249984.html

He ordered that Farrington's name can be reported in the media after hearing the victims have no problem with this.

"This will be a punishment in itself," the judge added. "He will be rightfully held in public odium for what he has done."

Since when was it the medias job to administrate justice?

This really pisses me off, is being named and shamed not a consequence of being a dirty pervert!

The guy walks free and sends out a message to other dirtbags they can get away with it and a message to victims that there is no point going to the courts you won't get justice!

:mad:

neemish · 05-10-2012 10:23am

How can you "accidentally" abuse someone three times? A once off is unacceptable, and you'd still wonder about it being accidental but THREE times? The last line of the article reads "a family has been destroyed".

Yes, a family has been destroyed, by this man abusing his nieces. And he seems to have walked away scott free.

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 05-10-2012 10:25am

Scumbag....vigilante justice will sort that out.

tigger123 · 05-10-2012 10:26am

Heard this on the radio this morning and was sickened by it. Sentencing guidelines really need to be examined in relation to sexual assaults in this country.

Also heard his wife was making statements on his behalf saying what a wonderful person, husband and father he is. The mind boggles, it really does.

05-10-2012 10:27am

It says he has four kids himself.

Boombastic · 05-10-2012 10:27am

"People on one side believe a punishment should be imposed and people on the other believe I shouldn't be as severe," he continued..............

Farrington was not added to the sex offender's register as the victims were over 18 and a suspended sentence was given"

My only conclusion is he sucked off the judge

bbam · 05-10-2012 10:27am

Another sad example that our Judges are becoming more and more sepreated from society and real life as time goes on they seem to have less and less perspective on justice and fairness.. How insulting for these poor girls after they were brave enough to come forward..

davet82 · 05-10-2012 10:30am

If you sexually assault somebody, you should go to prison, no ifs or buts or bullshít, it almost gives first offenders a free pass to try their luck!

g'em · 05-10-2012 10:31am

Saw that story this morning. It's so horrible and disheartening and I feel for the nieces so much. In refusing to administer a custodial sentence the judge has at best dismissed the actions of a man who abused a family's trust to abuse his own family members, he has implied that these actions are not worthy of time in prison and he has encourage vigilantism (the implication being that by naming him, natural justice will take its course).

Our judicial representatives really do live on another planet.

Rasheed · 05-10-2012 10:33am

tigger123 wrote: »

Also heard his wife was making statements on his behalf saying what a wonderful person, husband and father he is. The mind boggles, it really does.

Next we'll have the priest saying he's a mighty man for going to mass. Sick Fcuker.

cassiedoll · 05-10-2012 10:33am

no custodial sentence ....and to top it off his name isnt even put on the sex offenders register because they were over 18.

If i remember correctly the bloke Lyons who was in the paper a while back, his name was added to the register and his victim was over the age of 18.

Why does Farrington get a pass on this aswell.

"the incidents of abuse lasted a short amount of time and were lower down the scale compared with other cases that come before the court" - from the Kildarenationalist.ie

just makes me sick

padd b1975 · 05-10-2012 10:33am

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/car-dealer-avoids-jail-for-sexually-assaulting-two-nieces-3249984.html

Since when was it the medias job to administrate justice?

Says the guy who starts a thread on a social media website to facilitate exactly what the judge suggested.

super_furry · 05-10-2012 10:34am

This is the same judge who sent a man to jail for not paying tax on garlic. Should be on trial himself.

He wasn't even placed on the sex offenders list.

davet82 · 05-10-2012 10:37am

padd b1975 wrote: »

Says the guy who starts a thread on a social media website to facilitate exactly what the judge suggested.

there is a huge difference between consquence and justice

Dartz · 05-10-2012 10:39am

super_furry wrote: »

This is the same judge who sent a man to jail for not paying tax on garlic. Should be on trial himself.

He wasn't even placed on the sex offenders list.

Vigilante justice is free.

But people not paying taxes? That costs the state money if they all start getting the idea into their heads that they can get away with it.

tigger123 · 05-10-2012 10:41am

padd b1975 wrote: »

davet82 wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/car-dealer-avoids-jail-for-sexually-assaulting-two-nieces-3249984.html

Since when was it the medias job to administrate justice?

Says the guy who starts a thread on a social media website to facilitate exactly what the judge suggested.

You obviously then feel this thread is an appropriate response to the crime he was found guilty of?

MagicMarker · 05-10-2012 10:41am

He said that all the incidents of abuse lasted a short amount of time and were lower down the scale compared with other cases that come before the court.

{.........}

He came into the room, pulled down her underwear and performed oral sex on her as the victim lay there shocked and crying. When he stopped he said sorry and told her: "I must have been sleepwalking." The next day he begged her not to tell anyone.

This ****ing judge should be given a jail sentence, fucking cunt.

tigger123 · 05-10-2012 10:43am

super_furry wrote: »

This is the same judge who sent a man to jail for not paying tax on garlic. Should be on trial himself.

He wasn't even placed on the sex offenders list.

Euch.

CrazyRabbit · 05-10-2012 10:46am

I see that once again "drinking heavily at the time" was a factor. That phrase is used almost like an excuse, and far too often for my liking.

padd b1975 · 05-10-2012 10:53am

tigger123 wrote: »

You obviously then feel this thread is an appropriate response to the crime he was found guilty of?

Obviously??
How did you come to that conclusion?
I feel it is neither appropriate or inappropriate.

However, I do feel that a thread here and other media comment on the case is inevitable.

Perhaps when passing comment, the judge hoped that the abuser would read some of the comments about himself and it may reinforce the wrongness of what he did to his victims and his family.

jaja321 · 05-10-2012 10:56am

I really feel people should write to their local TDs, opposition included, about the sentencing for sexual assault in Ireland. It’s an absolute joke in this country and its hard enough for people to come forward without being made to feel you won’t even be taken seriously. What kind of message does this non-sentence give out?! I wrote to numerous TDs about this issue, when the ‘sentence’ for Anthony Lyons was handed down – and while TDs can’t or shouldn’t be able to influence specific cases, they can raise the issue of sentencing as a whole… Apparently there is a review of the penal policy, including sentencing happening shortly and the Law Reform Commission is also reviewing the law on mandatory sentences. If people keep the pressure on maybe something will be done about it.

padd b1975 · 05-10-2012 11:05am

davet82 wrote: »

there is a huge difference between consquence and justice.

O yeah I agree totally.

I also think that the judge got one thing right when passing sentence (3 years suspended), he allowed the abusers name to be reported in the media, more of this please. except when it is a parent who abuses their children.

05-10-2012 11:07am

What the f*ck is wrong with the judges
Seriously

I do hope there is some vigilante justice here since that seems to be what they are pushing for :mad:

Duggy747 · 05-10-2012 11:11am

Judges like him should be ashamed of themselves.

Sentences like this are disheartening to victims of abuse and to the Gardaì who compile the cases only for a numpty not to deem it serious enough that it warrants a serious sentence.

Name and shame should accompany the sentence, not BE the sentence.

He came into the room, pulled down her underwear and performed oral sex on her as the victim lay there shocked and crying. When he stopped he said sorry and told her: "I must have been sleepwalking." The next day he begged her not to tell anyone.

You have got to be fùcking joking.

HeyThereDeliah · 05-10-2012 11:13am

These women are in their forties now, why wait so long to report it ? I'm not sure i disagree with the sentence.

OP your thread title is slightly misleading again.

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-10-2012 11:14am

Poor old Garlic man he should have fcuked up peoples lives rather than the finances of a failed corrupt state

charlemont · 05-10-2012 11:16am

Of course he gets off, Says a lot about the mindset of some judges here, Sure in his younger days training as a solicitor sex abuse/rape was swept under the carpet. We need new judges new police force etc, What we have is tainted by sleaze and hypocrisy.

Justice my ass..

tigger123 · 05-10-2012 11:21am

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

These women are in their forties now, why wait so long to report it ? I'm not sure i disagree with the sentence.

OP your thread title is slightly misleading again.

Do you think the sentence is proportionate?

HeyThereDeliah · 05-10-2012 11:25am

tigger123 wrote: »

Do you think the sentence is proportionate?

I think the sentence is right in this case.

bbam · 05-10-2012 11:28am

Wouldn't it be hard to critizise these people if they pooled their money together and got a few thugs to give this fella a going over...

I know the rule of law is the rule of law but cases like this are bizzare as to their lack of justice... If it were my family I would be thinking of some home cooked justice..

cojomo2 · 05-10-2012 11:32am

He came into the room, pulled down her underwear and performed oral sex on her as the victim lay there shocked and crying. When he stopped he said sorry and told her: "I must have been sleepwalking." The next day he begged her not to tell anyone.

Does anyone else think this is a bit weird (apart from the obvious reasons)?
The victim here was 22 year old adult - how did he even get as far as pulling down this womans underwear without being told to fcuk off, get out, what the hell are you doing etc? Unless ofcourse she was actually afraid of this guy?

davet82 · 05-10-2012 11:40am

padd b1975 wrote: »

O yeah I agree totally.

I also think that the judge got one thing right when passing sentence (3 years suspended), he allowed the abusers name to be reported in the media, more of this please. except when it is a parent who abuses their children.

I dont think he got anything right imo, he asked the victims if they would like to wave their anonymity and have him named.

It seems the punishment is to have him named and shamed and forfeiting jail time, I'm sure the women would have opted to stay anoynomous if it ment some time in prison for him or at least making them aware of this and subsquent ruling based on their decision.

Either way suspended sentence are not appropriate for sexual crimes

Totally agree with parent and children cases btw

davet82 · 05-10-2012 11:48am

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

These women are in their forties now, why wait so long to report it ? I'm not sure i disagree with the sentence.

OP your thread title is slightly misleading again.

How exactly is the title misleading? A man escapes jail for sexually assaulting his two nieces, how is that misleading... is that not what happened?

HeyThereDeliah · 05-10-2012 11:54am

davet82 wrote: »

How exactly is the title misleading? A man escapes jail for sexually assaulting his two nieces, how is that misleading... is that not what happened?

Title suggests children but these women were adults. He is only a few years older than them. This makes no difference only that I first thought little girls and old man. Yes your thread title is confusing and misleading.

What relevance is the fact they are his nieces ? Do you think because its family the crime is worse?
What is the family relation ? Is he an uncle or uncle in law?

05-10-2012 11:58am

Title does not suggest children, nieces are nieces, and obviously it being family is even worse
good lord

Boombastic · 05-10-2012 11:58am

Why is there no photograph of him if the punishment is to name and shame?

humbert · 05-10-2012 11:58am

I really thought while reading the article I'd discover that want he did was pretty harmless, then there was :eek:

HeyThereDeliah · 05-10-2012 11:59am

bluewolf wrote: »

Title does not suggest children, nieces are nieces, and obviously it being family is even worse
good lord

So it's ok to sexually assault women but make sure it's not family, right.

Good lord

davet82 · 05-10-2012 12:00pm

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

Title suggests children but these women were adults.
What relevance is the fact they are his nieces ? Do you think because its family the crime is worse?
What is the family relation ? Is he an uncle or uncle in law?

No the title was taken from the headline in the Indo where the link is posted.

The crime of sexually assaulting somebody is disgusting no matter who it is and their victims suffer regardless who the perpetrator is, whats your point?

How in the name of god does the title suggest they were children?

Unfortunatley you are given limited space in a title thread, maybe you should ask the mods so that you post a full article in the title so people like you aren't 'mislead'

Click the bloody link to find out about the story, thats what its there for.

DipStick McSwindler · 05-10-2012 12:01pm

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davet82 · 05-10-2012 12:02pm

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

So it's ok to sexually assault women but make sure it's not family, right.

Good lord

where the fcuk did she say sexually assaulting women is ok?

davet82 · 05-10-2012 12:09pm

cojomo2 wrote: »

Does anyone else think this is a bit weird (apart from the obvious reasons)?
The victim here was 22 year old adult - how did he even get as far as pulling down this womans underwear without being told to fcuk off, get out, what the hell are you doing etc? Unless ofcourse she was actually afraid of this guy?

I dont think its weird, its very common for victims of sexual assault to come forward for years, even decades later.

Maybe if you met somebody that was sexually abused/assaulted/raped they could explain it to you.

I reckon shame and fear is a big factor. Not being believed and of course what is demonstrated in this case we're discussing now, not getting real justice.

cojomo2 · 05-10-2012 12:12pm

davet82 wrote: »

I dont think its weird, its very common for victims of sexual assault to come forward for years, even decades.

Maybe if you met somebody that was sexually abused/assaulted/raped they could explain it to you.

I reckon shame and fear is a big factor. Not being believed and of course what is demonstrated in this case we're discussing now, not getting justice.

Yes, I'm not saying it's weird that it took the victim years to come forward...have another read of my post (don't mean that in a rude way)

LittleBook · 05-10-2012 12:13pm

davet82 wrote: »

This really pisses me off, is being named and shamed not a consequence of being a dirty pervert!

I don't understand this. People convicted of sexual assaults are routinely named in public unless it would identify the victim. If anything, this ásshole judge has probably outed the victims.

Boombastic wrote: »

"Farrington was not added to the sex offender's register as the victims were over 18 and a suspended sentence was given"

Again, I'm confused. Since when does the sex offenders register have anything to do with the age of the victims??

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

These women are in their forties now, why wait so long to report it?

As in many cases, the victims themselves didn't initiate the investigation.

It was said on the radio that one of their parents found a letter the man had sent to one of the women describing what had happened and then encouraged the victims to press charges. I'll bet they're kicking themselves now.

HeyThereDeliah · 05-10-2012 12:14pm

davet82 wrote: »

I dont think its weird, its very common for victims of sexual assault to come forward for years, even decades later.

Maybe if you met somebody that was sexually abused/assaulted/raped they could explain it to you.

I reckon shame and fear is a big factor. Not being believed and of course what is demonstrated in this case we're discussing now, not getting real justice.

Their mother found a letter four years ago that was sent to one of the women, how did she find it? I'm curious to know how it all came about. I know this will cause outrage but could money be a factor here ?

MagicMarker · 05-10-2012 12:15pm

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

I think the sentence is right in this case.

So if he were to pull down your sisters underwear and perform oral sex on her against her will you'd be happy with this outcome? A suspended sentence and his name in the paper?

the_syco · 05-10-2012 12:15pm

HeyThereDeliah wrote: »

These women are in their forties now, why wait so long to report it ? I'm not sure i disagree with the sentence.

Probably shame, and a few helpings of catholic guilt.

=-=

If the chainsaw massacre happened in Ireland, the excuse would have been; sorry sir, but I was drinking heavily? FFS!

Boombastic · 05-10-2012 12:17pm

Anyone got a picture of him so I know who to avoid?

Sierra 117 · 05-10-2012 12:17pm

LittleBook wrote: »

I don't understand this. People convicted of sexual assaults are routinely named in public unless it would identify the victim. If anything, this ásshole judge has probably outed the victims.

According to the article, the women wanted his name released.

charlemont · 05-10-2012 12:20pm

the_syco wrote: »

Probably shame, and a few helpings of catholic guilt.

=-=

If the chainsaw massacre happened in Ireland, the excuse would have been; sorry sir, but I was drinking heavily? FFS!

And he once smelled some cannabis from a few yards away so we think drugs are a contributing factor....:rolleyes:

davet82 · 05-10-2012 12:20pm

LittleBook wrote: »

As in many cases, the victims themselves didn't initiate the investigation.

It was said on the radio that one of their parents found a letter the man had sent to one of the women describing what had happened and then encouraged the victims to press charges. I'll bet they're kicking themselves now.

cojomo2 wrote: »

Yes, I'm not saying it's weird that it took the victim years to come forward...have another read of my post (don't mean that in a rude way)

sorry i didnt mean to sound like i was having a go, i was just trying to explain...

anyways if you read LittleBooks post there, it explains the gap between the incident and reporting of the crime in this case

I know why you are suggesting it was weird but you sort of answered it yourself, they were probably afraid.

Man avoids jail for sexually assaulting two nieces

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