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I'd like to get better at arena, but I get very dejected when Im only scraping 4:3's

Big Knox wrote: »

12 - 1 for your first 12 win is excellent. Do you play constructed or mainly Arena?

Mainly arena. I haven't put money into it so just do the daily quests for the gold to do arenas i think they're more fun. I enjoy drafting mostly. I got to lvl 8 or so a few seasons back with Trumps F2P Shaman deck but the grind started to get kinda tedious. Well that win got me gold for three more arenas so am happy out

managed 5:3 last night with a paly deck - the lost games were all really close (1 or 2 hp in it in 2 games - smushed in the last one though). Was 3:0 at stage point too, so happy with that

Yippee!


I've decided that the most important thing in arena is having lots of 2 mana minions.

I've found Paladin to be the easiest to get to 12 wins and I'd say access to Argent Protectors and Aldor Peacekeepers is a very large part of that.

I didn't even need any Concecrations because I never lost control of the board.

The only loss came to a hunter with who used a Hunters Mark, Vulture, UTH combo to completely turn the game around but that's going to get nerfed sooner or later (Hunters Mark in particular) so I'm not to worried about that.

Kirby wrote: »

Buzzard could be fixed by changing it to "draw a card for every beast at the end of the turn. And change Hunter's mark to 1 mana. It's ridiculous that its free.

Nice Arena run btw.

Making it 1 mana would make it strictly worse value than Execute though.

I did see an interesting idea on Reddit that they could change it to something like "reduce health by 4" or something like that.

Kirby wrote: »

It doesn't really. You still have to damage a minion to execute it....the same way you have to run something into the Hunters mark minion. Same thing.

Except a minion can already be damaged but still require a hunter's mark to take it down to 1 whereas an execute can just be used straight away.

I decided to go a bit more in depth with my matches today. See where I'm weak and strong etc.

It's a very small sample size of only 21 games and I intend to expand it to hundreds of games eventually, but it's interesting nonetheless.






A few things stand out. Wins and losses are streaky, which supports the matchmaking system. Win a few? Tougher opponent. Lose a few? Weaker opponent.

It's also interesting that I didn't encounter a single rogue or paladin. My strongest matchup seemed to be Warrior and weakest was Hunter/Warlock. Slightly better win percentage with the coin but it's fairly negligible.

I wonder will these stats hold up at 100 games.....

Paladin is dead on ladder.

Out of the last 65 games this is the breakdown of my opponents.

Warlock: 15 (12 zoo, 6 of which were bots)
Hunter : 12
Druid : 9
Shaman : 9 (6 of which were bots)
Priest : 9
Warrior : 4
Mage : 3
Rogue : 3
Paladin : 1

nesf wrote: »

Yeah, he splits because he's a bit painful to watch sometimes because he makes quite a lot of mistakes compared to most of the other popular streamers and he articulates his thoughts all the time which makes it worse!

There was a bit there were he was hoping to top deck a deathwing, and I was just thinking, as soon as you do, I reckon Silvanas is just going to nick it... (?)

Some of the misplays are so obviously wrong (thats something coming from me!), and more often then not with hilariously stupid results, I think it kind of adds to it

nesf wrote: »

He constantly misses card combinations I'd expect anyone playing CCGs for a while to spot. A lot of the mistakes he makes are very "beginner-like" like miscounting mana, messing up order of effects (e.g. thinking you can combo Kel'thusad and Deathwing) and similar. It's a bit painful because he talks in too definite and serious a tone. :P

His gaming logic has become very erratic in the last two years, not just in hearthstone. I think its to do with his chemo treatments. I had to stop watching, it was really painful to see something done so wrong over and over again.

Regardless of his inability to grasp simple concepts, his meta reasoning on games is usually spot on.

Nody wrote: »

Well only Pally that would work is a rush one but then you might as well go Warlock/Hunter until the top 10 levels when control will start to matter.

Control pally works. I'm using it at about 57% win rate and there are a couple control pallies in legend.....its just not as good as a bunch of other decks. Our hero power actually hurts us against most classes and we have the only hero power that isn't useful the turn it's used....unlike the other 8 classes. It needs a rework.

Zoo and Hunter need tweaking.

Na they wont do that. They aren't going to buff cards at this stage. When is the last time they buffed a card?

They should, but they wont. If you go through each class, they all have cards that are simply awful. Well under value and next to useless. There are plenty of neutral cards that are garbage too.

They wont touch hero powers either. The paladin one needs a total redesign or needs to be given charge to be useful. The warlock one is too powerful and probably needs to take 3 health per tap due to the overwhelming power that is card draw. And so on.

They might nerf cards. They've done it before and even though officially they have said they are "done tweaking existing cards" I cant see the current state of hunter/zoo lasting forever. They tried to combat it with the naxx cards but unfortunately, some of the cards they intended to help against rush decks actually help them i.e haunted creeper.

The next expansion is just going to be new cards in booster packs. I don't think we will see another Naxx style "adventure". There is more money in just new cards in new packs. And we wont be waiting that long for it.

It's easier to "fix" the game by adding another 100 cards as opposed to fixing all the broken one in existence.

Nody wrote: »

I have no question that it work; the point was leveling up (hence the comment about the top 10 levels were control matters, that's level 9 to legendary) because you're going to face more then faceroll warlock/hunter all the time :P

Actually it's the complete opposite at the moment. The low ranks and legend are pretty much all hunter and aggro decks at the moment. You see far more variation in the higher ranks!

Miracle Rogue *sigh*

Kirby wrote: »

Na they wont do that. They aren't going to buff cards at this stage. When is the last time they buffed a card?

They should, but they wont. If you go through each class, they all have cards that are simply awful. Well under value and next to useless. There are plenty of neutral cards that are garbage too.

They wont touch hero powers either. The paladin one needs a total redesign or needs to be given charge to be useful. The warlock one is too powerful and probably needs to take 3 health per tap due to the overwhelming power that is card draw. And so on.

They might nerf cards. They've done it before and even though officially they have said they are "done tweaking existing cards" I cant see the current state of hunter/zoo lasting forever. They tried to combat it with the naxx cards but unfortunately, some of the cards they intended to help against rush decks actually help them i.e haunted creeper.

The next expansion is just going to be new cards in booster packs. I don't think we will see another Naxx style "adventure". There is more money in just new cards in new packs. And we wont be waiting that long for it.

It's easier to "fix" the game by adding another 100 cards as opposed to fixing all the broken one in existence.

Of course they will have more Naxx style adventures. It's not a case of either release a big batch of cards or an adventure, both will happen.

Any good card game needs functionally bad cards as much as good ones, that's part of the balance too. As the card base expands the types of valid builds will increase, it's only because the game is in it's infancy that these topics are issues at all.

Ramza wrote: »

Not a personal attack at all but, Miracle is nowhere near as bad as it was a few seasons ago, are people still complaining about this deck? Naxx was a huge nerf to miracle, it's viable but in no way OP anymore

Miracle Rogue top of the deck OTK's are still as annoying though. :P

Oo, and:

Starving Buzzard now costs 5 (up from 2) and now has 3 Attack and 2 Health (up from 2 Attack and 1 Health)

Wossack wrote: »

Oo, and:

Starving Buzzard now costs 5 (up from 2) and now has 3 Attack and 2 Health (up from 2 Attack and 1 Health)

Ouch. That really feels like an over-nerf. Hunter as it was in early WoW proving to be a very awkward class for Blizzard to find a place for.

Nody wrote: »

Bumping Leeroy 1 mana to avoid faceless + Leeroy + buff simply means you'll do at least 14 and still do the full 20+ with coin; not sure why you'd bother use him in general though over a Reckless Rocketeer or (and by far more common) Argent Commander to be honest. Giving the enemy a way to kill your own minion for 1 damage or 2 damage and getting divine shield? Meh. Thankfully it means I can disenchant my common Leeroy though (got a gold as well) for full dust and get another legendary card!

I presume the point wasn't to render it completely useless but to reduce the usage a bit.

It's still viable, just not quite as often.

Buzzard + UTH is presumably being brought into line with some of the other classes' draw options?

Things like Lay on Hands and Sprint look distinctly **** in comparison to 5 mana card draw and 2-7 bodies on the board (even if it takes two cards and there's a bit of variance in how many hounds you summon).
Buzzard also works with other cards (albeit not as efficiently).