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UPC Thomson TWG-870U & Technicolor TC7200 - Enabling "Cable modem" mode - basic guide

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  • #102
    alanbk
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭alanbk


    Are you saying that a fw upgrade will put the routers back to their original state ?


  • #103
    [Deleted User]
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    alanbk wrote: »
    Are you saying that a fw upgrade will put the routers back to their original state ?

    Not according to this:
    Asm wrote: »
    Yeah I noticed my Thomson FW upgraded last night to 1.75. However, the Thomson remained in modem only mode. Did you download the net-snmp from the link in the first post?


  • #104
    docentore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭docentore


    BTW, if you didn't know already and you have Thomson router you had/have semi open WiFi network available to anyone who knows about it already. Google "UPC_MultiMedia", it is hidden network with widely known key. This reminds me of Eircom WEP issue couple of years back.

    That was main reason for me to look for the real bridge mode and that's why I took out the wifi card from the modem.

    EDIT2: Just restarted the modem to see if it will be updated - firmware version 1.75 dated 05.06.2013 was installed, bridge mode still enabled, I didn't even had to reenable it. Happy days!


  • #105
    [Deleted User]
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    That's creepy! I often saw those null SSIDs, even on the Cisco 2425 and 3925, but never knew that they could be connected to so easily.


  • #106
    docentore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭docentore


    Its a different subnet, but I recon with a bit of knowledge someone could have a peek at your family holidays pictures.


  • #107
    Asm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 73 ✭✭Asm


    I have a Horizon box with wireless disabled. Just out of curiosity is there some hidden SSID on Horizon boxes too? And does having the Thomson in modem mode completely stop that? Does it help to take off the antennas too?
    Thanks.


  • #108
    Skittle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Skittle


    Ok I found that I could get the apps to connect to the router and return MIB information, only if I disconnected the UPC cable from the router and powered it back on. My new problem is that the OID number specified in the first post doesn't exist. I did an SNMP walk with both apps and neither found it.

    What now?


  • #109
    docentore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭docentore


    Skittle wrote: »
    Ok I found that I could get the apps to connect to the router and return MIB information, only if I disconnected the UPC cable from the router and powered it back on. My new problem is that the OID number specified in the first post doesn't exist. I did an SNMP walk with both apps and neither found it.

    What now?

    it might be not visible as it is private SNMP community. Just set the value as per guide and see what happens. Worst case scenario you will loose your customisation after factory reset.


  • #110
    TommyGD
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭TommyGD


    Skittle wrote: »
    Ok I found that I could get the apps to connect to the router and return MIB information, only if I disconnected the UPC cable from the router and powered it back on.

    Can you explain this?

    1. I must disconnect UPC cable.
    2. Power on Thomson.
    3. Use program to connect to router

    Like this?


  • #111
    Skittle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Skittle


    TommyGD wrote: »
    Can you explain this?

    1. I must disconnect UPC cable.
    2. Power on Thomson.
    3. Use program to connect to router

    Like this?
    Yep, that's exactly what I had to do. It seems that with the coax cable connected, UPC disable the SNMP functionality on the router. So I powered off the router, disconnected the coax cable, powered the router back on and then used the apps to connect.


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  • #112
    drabisan
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭drabisan


    docentore wrote: »
    EDIT2: Just restarted the modem to see if it will be updated - firmware version 1.75 dated 05.06.2013 was installed, bridge mode still enabled, I didn't even had to reenable it. Happy days!

    Good to know! My network was working properly in the morning but I don't think the upgrade reached my Thomson, as I had no messages about any port down ;)

    Out of curiosity - if they decide to move up my speed, will they screw up the bridge config by pushing a new UPC config?


  • #113
    livEwirE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭livEwirE


    ArthurG wrote: »
    Sorry for the basic question, but what's the benefit of doing this?.

    (I realise if I need to ask I probably don't need to know!!)
    johnny-grunge wrote: »
    Would anyone be able to explain the reason for doing this pretty please? I've been googling but can't find jack.

    Same question here from me, what exactly is the benefit from doing this :) Is it just for enabling bridging mode?


  • #114
    drabisan
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭drabisan


    You can buy yourself a powerful router to perform NAT, firewall considerably better than Thomson; most routers have better wireless and are dual band.
    Thomson will act as a simple box that convert from Docsis to Ethernet and nothing more than that. The jobs requiring processing, memory and good quality wireless would be performed by your router.


  • #115
    alanbk
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭alanbk


    livEwirE wrote: »
    Same question here from me, what exactly is the benefit from doing this :) Is it just for enabling bridging mode?

    My UPC router kept dropping ip addresses for example. This is a big issue for FTP etc. So a good wireless router sorted this issue for me. I suppose if your happy enough with your UPC supplied equipment, then there is no advantage in doing anything from this post.


  • #116
    TommyGD
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭TommyGD


    Bad news.
    UPC blocked this trick on Technicolor TC7200. When we change "2" to "1" router reboot immediately and we have bridge mode, but after a while router automatically change "1" to "2" and reboot with bridge mode off :(


  • #117
    [Deleted User]
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    *gulp* :(

    Got mine today, wondering now if I should have just coughed up the extra €3 per month to keep my 2203. I guess I'll try it anyway.


  • #118
    wiz569
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭wiz569


    TommyGD wrote: »
    Bad news.
    UPC blocked this trick on Technicolor TC7200. When we change "2" to "1" router reboot immediately and we have bridge mode, but after a while router automatically change "1" to "2" and reboot with bridge mode off :(

    Could this just have been a reaction to a firmware update,if you change it back now will it stay in bridge mode?


  • #119
    TommyGD
    Registered Users Posts: 5 ✭TommyGD


    We can't back to previous firmware in UPC.


  • #120
    [Deleted User]
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    Got it going here using CMwatch. Tried with MIB Browser first but although it said it set the value, the modem didn't reboot. CMwatch worked first time. Got a public IP at 19:06, lets see if it sticks...


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  • #121
    wiz569
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭wiz569


    TommyGD wrote: »
    We can't back to previous firmware in UPC.

    I meant change the setting back to 1 and see if it sticks this time


  • #122
    alanbk
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭alanbk


    Karsini wrote: »
    Got it going here using CMwatch. Tried with MIB Browser first but although it said it set the value, the modem didn't reboot. CMwatch worked first time. Got a public IP at 19:06, lets see if it sticks...
    Yeah. Let's know if it sticks please. Seems a bit of a pain if every time there's a FW update, we will have to "flash" the box. I wonder is there a way to stop FW upgrades ?


  • #123
    Skittle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭Skittle


    Right, just an update. I managed to get mine into bridge mode. I disconnected the coax cable, followed the instructions on Windows Option 2 on the front page and used MIB Browser (CMWatch wouldn't work). I've got a router connected now, but it's an old DLink 855 so I'll probably get the Asus N66 someone mentioned a few pages ago.

    The main reason I did this is that I don't like the idea of the Thomson (and other UPC routers) having hidden wireless networks, that others could access.


  • #124
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    alanbk wrote: »
    Yeah. Let's know if it sticks please. Seems a bit of a pain if every time there's a FW update, we will have to "flash" the box. I wonder is there a way to stop FW upgrades ?

    Still working nearly two hours later. :)

    Firmware version is STD6.01.08.T20


  • #125
    alanbk
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭alanbk


    Skittle wrote: »
    Right, just an update. I managed to get mine into bridge mode. I disconnected the coax cable, followed the instructions on Windows Option 2 on the front page and used MIB Browser (CMWatch wouldn't work). I've got a router connected now, but it's an old DLink 855 so I'll probably get the Asus N66 someone mentioned a few pages ago.

    The main reason I did this is that I don't like the idea of the Thomson (and other UPC routers) having hidden wireless networks, that others could access.

    Got that ASUS N66 and it is the dog's. Best GUI I've seen on a routers web interface !!:)


  • #126
    Asm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 73 ✭✭Asm


    Karsini wrote: »
    STD6.01.08.T20

    Giggity.


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  • #127
    [Deleted User]
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    Asm wrote: »
    Giggity.

    I have a TC7200 by the way... just to clarify!

    All still good here after 4 hours. I won't post constant updates, :pac:, but I will let you all know if it does reset.


  • #128
    [Deleted User]
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    Wow, very interesting!

    My router has IPv6 support. On the EPC2203 it was establishing a 6to4 tunnel to connect but it is now getting a native connection via DHCPv6 - the address starts with 2a02:8081. So UPC's IPv6 network seems to be operational.


  • #129
    alanbk
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭alanbk


    Karsini wrote: »
    Wow, very interesting!

    My router has IPv6 support. On the EPC2203 it was establishing a 6to4 tunnel to connect but it is now getting a native connection via DHCPv6 - the address starts with 2a02:8081. So UPC's IPv6 network seems to be operational.

    I have the same UPC router. What does the IPv6 mean to us noobs ?? My own router supports that protocol but is there any reason to use it ?:D


  • #130
    drabisan
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭drabisan


    It would be interesting if Thomson in bridge mode will pass native ipv6 to the router behind.
    My Thomson didn't upgrade itself but I will power it off later on and hopefully it will upgrade and offer me the functionality I would love to have.


  • #131
    white_westie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭white_westie


    Just on the subject of firmware updates to the TC7200
    The initial version that was shipped on mine last May had STD6.01.08.T20, so I don't think there has been any firmware upgrade recently.
    If it was upgraded to STD6.01.10 I think we would all be happy


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  • #132
    wiz569
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭wiz569


    white_westie wrote: »
    Just on the subject of firmware updates to the TC7200
    The initial version that was shipped on mine last May had STD6.01.08.T20, so I don't think there has been any firmware upgrade recently.
    If it was upgraded to STD6.01.10 I think we would all be happy

    Mine is still on STD6.01.08.T20 as well,so that ruins that theory lol

    Anybody still have their TC7200 running in bridge for any length of time?


  • #133
    drabisan
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭drabisan


    Power off and power on -> TWG870U upgraded from STBA.01.50 to STBA.01.75.
    Bridge is working as expected.
    I don't receive any ipv6 address on the router.
    Maybe not in my are yet?


  • #134
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    wiz569 wrote: »
    Anybody still have their TC7200 running in bridge for any length of time?
    Still fine here, check the attached image. I rebooted my router just after midnight to test IPv6 but the modem has been fine.


  • #135
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    alanbk wrote: »
    I have the same UPC router. What does the IPv6 mean to us noobs ?? My own router supports that protocol but is there any reason to use it ?:D

    IPv6 is the new IP address scheme to replace IPv4, because of the shortage of IPv4 addresses. It's not in common usage yet but most likely will be in future.

    I just noticed I'm getting "Destination net unreachable" on ipv6.google.com now so maybe it was just a fluke?

    Edit: Router reboot did the trick, IPv6 back up again.


  • #136
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,215 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Karsini wrote: »
    My router has IPv6 support. On the EPC2203 it was establishing a 6to4 tunnel to connect but it is now getting a native connection via DHCPv6 - the address starts with 2a02:8081. So UPC's IPv6 network seems to be operational.
    This is very interesting. I have a EPC3925 in bridge mode, but I'm not getting any IPv6 addresses, only my existing SixXS tunnel.

    What size subnet are they allocating? /48, /56, or /64?


  • #137
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    Jonathan wrote: »
    This is very interesting. I have a EPC3925 in bridge mode, but I'm not getting any IPv6 addresses, only my existing SixXS tunnel.

    What size subnet are they allocating? /48, /56, or /64?

    /57 is what my router says.

    I disabled it and went back to my tunnel however, kept getting intermittent problems where I could no longer open Google and an attempt to ping it would return "Destination net unreachable".


  • #138
    Jonathan
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,215 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Karsini wrote: »
    /57 is what my router says.
    128 /64 subnets should be enough for any home user. :)

    To confirm, the IPv6 addresses only appeared after changing configs via SNMP, or is available to all Thomson customers?


  • #139
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    Jonathan wrote: »
    128 /64 subnets should be enough for any home user. :)

    To confirm, the IPv6 addresses only appeared after changing configs via SNMP, or is available to all Thomson customers?

    I don't know for sure, I hardly had my modem 10 minutes when I bridged it! :pac: My cousin has a TC7200 and doesn't have it bridged so I can check and get back to you.


  • #140
    JethroC
    Registered Users Posts: 165 ✭✭JethroC


    Thanks very much for this guide...it worked flawlessly first time on the Thomson TC7200!


  • #141
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    Jonathan wrote: »
    128 /64 subnets should be enough for any home user. :)

    To confirm, the IPv6 addresses only appeared after changing configs via SNMP, or is available to all Thomson customers?

    Just to get back to you as I said I would.

    I was up with my cousin earlier (with a non-bridged TC7200). No IPv6 addresses being dished out.


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  • #142
    Jonathan
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    Karsini wrote: »
    Just to get back to you as I said I would.

    I was up with my cousin earlier (with a non-bridged TC7200). No IPv6 addresses being dished out.
    Thanks; that doesn't sound promising for a general IPv6 rollout any time soon then. :(


  • #143
    rabbitinlights
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    Huge thanks to docentore - I've been pulling my hair out trying to find a solution to the poxy TC72000. I've my network back to how It was previously.

    Nice one!

    S.


  • #144
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    rabbitinlights wrote: »
    Huge thanks to docentore - I've been pulling my hair out trying to find a solution to the poxy TC72000. I've my network back to how It was previously.

    Nice one!

    S.

    What firmware version are you on? Is it still 6.01.08?


  • #145
    rabbitinlights
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,008 ✭✭✭rabbitinlights


    STD6.01.27

    I had to disconnect the coax and then reset the TC7200 to get access with MIB browser.

    I then dusted off my Router and was back in business - http://www.tp-link.com/EN/products/details/?model=TL-WDR4300

    TL-WDR4300-1.jpg

    S.


  • #146
    [Deleted User]
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    I decided to reboot my TC7200 because I figured I'd have to do it anyway at some stage. It updated to 6.01.27 and bridge mode still works. So if you have it bridged already then you've nothing to worry about! :)

    I did notice a few changes, the Wi-Fi LED doesn't light up anymore when the Wi-Fi is disabled, which is how it should be! Also, the Advanced and Parental Control tabs are missing (these would normally fail if clicked when the modem was in bridge mode). The 5 GHz channel selection now shows the correct 5 GHz channels rather than showing 1-13 as it did on the old firmware. So maybe 5 GHz actually works now? EDIT: It still only allows one or the other and shows the channels from the last one you used, derp

    Under the MTA Status it now says "Telephony Provisioning Status: Pass With Warnings" but the phone still works anyway.


  • #147
    genek
    Registered Users Posts: 50 ✭✭genek


    I confirm for tc7200 after reboot system updated to STD6.01.27. Bridge stays as is. Happy days!


  • #148
    white_westie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭white_westie


    Took a leap of faith tonight before the firmware on my TC7200 got updated to .27 version (and possibly closed snmp update option). Disconnected coax cable, disabled firewall, used linux snmpset command method to update oid. When tc7200 rebooted, firmware was updated to .27 version, and I had a public address on lan port.:)

    Thanks to docentore for this great find...............


  • #149
    wiz569
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭wiz569


    Had to reboot my tc7200 yesterday and its updated its firmware as expected,but have not tried to bridge it yet ,

    I think it can still be done if I remove the feed first though,I hope :)


  • #150
    white_westie
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    wiz569 wrote: »
    Had to reboot my tc7200 yesterday and its updated its firmware as expected,but have not tried to bridge it yet ,

    I think it can still be done if I remove the feed first though,I hope :)

    Hopefully it can if you need/want to!

    I just disconnected the feed to ensure that the firmware was not updated while I was changing the mode. I could only get connectivity to the snmp data (using any of the tools listed in the op) if i switched off the firewall first.

    Did you see post here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88976002&postcount=1 - the guys in Poland seem to really looking under the hood of these devices.


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  • #151
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    They say the devil makes work for idle hands. Well that was me this morning. I decided to fiddle around a bit more.

    Holding the reset button for 30 seconds on the TC7200 does indeed reset it back to router mode. Using the reset option in the web GUI won't reset it back to router mode. Hopefully this might encourage those who were nervous that there was no going back.

    Then the nervous part began for me because I couldn't access SNMP after the reset, maybe due to the new firmware? But rebooting the modem with the cable disconnected allowed me to set the OID again.


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