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Call for Irish women to boycott mass on 26 September

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    #32
    bonerm
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    mikom wrote: »
    Yeah, really brave of her to call for this whilst the catholic church is at the height of its power.......

    I would also like to call for a boycott on Dodo's

    Agreed. This is just the kind of feisty woman who (had she been German and of that era) would probably waited til about 1947 to stand up to the Nazi's.


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    #33
    mikom
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    moonpurple wrote: »
    is the roman catholic church at the height of its power?

    spanish empire 1300 - they ruled the known world together with spain

    led to ireland being colonised just in case we became a headache for the protestant UK

    today most people in the english speaking world are not catholic...

    most powerful politicians are not Catholic
    the top men in china, russia, usa, etc etc

    ( are you ronan mullen?):pac:

    Whoosh....


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    #34
    prinz
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    moonpurple wrote: »
    is the roman catholic church at the height of its power?

    You might want a butterfly net to catch that one, it seems to have gone..


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    #35
    Pace2008
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    snuggles285 wrote: »
    I don't get why old folks get into such a hype over religion its a clut for all I care.
    It was pretty much the only way of life in Ireland when they were growing up, and one's unlikely to change their philosophical leanings at the age of 75.

    Furthermore, whilst I have no love for the Catholic Church, and am glad mass attendance is on the wane in this country, it does give elderly folk like my granny and granda something to do with their limitless free time, and along with bridge every second night, it's a chance to socialise with like-minded people.


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    #36
    mikom
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    feelingstressed wrote: »

    The CC is at one of it's lowest points in this country.

    Now if only I had intimated that in my first post.

    feelingstressed wrote: »
    The same system has been in place for all her 80 years but she feels so strongly about this she is only able to speak up now?

    Dancing on a coffin to be honest.


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    #37
    seamus
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    feelingstressed wrote: »
    The CC is at one of it's lowest points in this country.
    And now she feels able to speak up.
    Actually, this is kind of the whole point. This woman isn't anti-Catholic. She's very Catholic. She sees a church at the lowest ebb of it's power, haemorrhaging believers and priests, constantly being rocked by scandals and corruption, yet all the while the heads of her Church are burying their heads in the sand, refusing to address any of its problems and refusing to give its most fervent adherents (women) the ability to take better charge and save it. So she's standing up to tell them to get their **** together.

    You see she's not standing up against the Catholic church, she's attempting to stand up for the Catholic church because she wants to save it.

    Of course the rest of us really want to see the institution collapse and burn, so we'll egg her on regardless.


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    #38
    ShooterSF
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    So wait, she a member of an organisation with a dictator (God, real or not) as its' leader who makes decisions like favouring man. Didn't he tell Eve she was Adam's property or such after the whole fruitgate debacle? And instead of leaving said horrible organisation she want's to protest from within.

    Bit like a black man joining the KKK and then complaining it treats blacks like second class citizens :confused:


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    #39
    Rented Mule
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    Where was the boycott when they were raping and torturing children ?


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    #40
    OutlawPete
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    I always see this hot chick at the chapel but now she's gonna boycott Sunday mass?? :(

    When she’d go up to receive, I’d kneel down and watch her pass, try to lick her ass.


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    #41
    mikom
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    OutlawPete wrote: »

    When she’d go up to receive, I’d kneel down and watch her pass, try to lick her ass.

    Was she a Mod?
    I joke, I joke.


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    #42
    bronte
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    Fair play to herself.

    Fcukers aren't happy unless they're taking our powah.


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    #43
    ancapailldorcha
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    prinz wrote: »
    Actually studies have shown no difference in rates of abusers between the RCC and other denominations which do not practice celibacy. The fact that a child is most likely to be abused by a parent than anyone also belies the celibacy is to blame argument. The only church to release proper figures relating to abuse has been the Roman Catholic so it appears as if it presents a much larger issue there than say Rabbis, vicars etc. The prevalence of the RCC in Ireland distorts the real picture.

    Care to cite a few?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #44
    lynski
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    prinz wrote: »
    Actually studies have shown no difference in rates of abusers between the RCC and other denominations which do not practice celibacy. The fact that a child is most likely to be abused by a parent than anyone also belies the celibacy is to blame argument. The only church to release proper figures relating to abuse has been the Roman Catholic so it appears as if it presents a much larger issue there than say Rabbis, vicars etc. The prevalence of the RCC in Ireland distorts the real picture.

    Couple of things, there is actually no studies, AFAIK, as the RCC will not cooperate, but i stand to be corrected on that.
    The RCC has never released figures related to any abuse, in fact in Ireland they have fought tooth and nail to stop any information coming out. Again, correct me if you can.
    The abuse by members in the RCC was (is?) so deeply facilitated, covered-up, unpunished, unacknowledged by every level and every branch of the RCC that no comparison can be made with abuse in other churches, organisations or in any home. The supporting organisation is simply not there in other religions to facilitate the numbers of victims or abusers, or timeframes.
    The continued references by supporters of the RCC to abuse by family members is a smokescreen and any unfair attempt at muddy the waters of the criminal activities of the RCC in this country and others in the last century.
    the sooner this cult crashes and burns the better.
    Good article here http://www.newsweek.com/2010/04/07/mean-men.html


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    #45
    ancapailldorcha
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    lynski, you're making a lot more sense. I'm no expert on the subject but as far as I know Ratzinger was involved in covering up abuse in America (not too sure about that) according to a rather excellent Stephen Fry video I saw here recently. I don't think it ever occurred to him to report it, his primary concern was for the clergyman in question and the church's reputation, though ironically enough they seem to be doing an excellent job of destroying that themselves anyway these days.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #46
    ejmaztec
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    Just so's I boycott the right place, would the church be a big pointy thing in the middle of a town?:confused:


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    #47
    scientific1982
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    Any woman who goes to mass is doing her gender a great disservice. The way the Catholic church has treated women is beyond contempt. If my mother had listened to those frustrated virgins a few decades ago I would never have known my sister.


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    #48
    starlit
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    Is there a lock in by any chance?:D


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    #49
    blackev
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    I am not religious but i support the boycott, women should not be excluded from a job on religious ground, and I think that women would improve the church and possibly save it (unfortunately), I would almost go to church just to see it.


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    #50
    fifi_kitten
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    I think she is to be commended. As previously noted; many women past 50 tend to be militant in their devotion to the catholic church, and happily ignore the fact that this church treats them as second class citizens.


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    #51
    Motley Crue
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    Jennifer Sleeman wants to let the church authorities in the Vatican and in Ireland know that women are fed up with being, what she describes as, 'second class citizens' in the church.

    Good for her, standing up in what she believes in, good for her!

    However, I don't think most people even half her age attend mass on a weekly or even monthly basis so I don't feel it makes a blind bit of difference


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    #52
    biko
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    Bump, is this still going ahead on Sunday?


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    #53
    PeterIanStaker
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    biko wrote: »
    Bump, is this still going ahead on Sunday?
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/pensioner-gets-hate-mail-over-mass-boycott-2342859.html

    She hasn't decided yet.


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    #54
    coffee_cake
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    I thought she converted from a presbyterian church to catholicism. Don't the presbyterians ordain women? Why would you convert from a religion that does to one that doesn't and THEN complain your new one doesn't? :confused:


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    #55
    AAAAAAAHHH
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    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    "An 80-year-old woman is calling for all women in Ireland to boycott mass on 26 September.

    Jennifer Sleeman wants to let the church authorities in the Vatican and in Ireland know that women are fed up with being, what she describes as, 'second class citizens' in the church.

    Ms Sleeman, from Clonakilty in Cork, said women are very powerful and make up more than half of people who go to mass"

    She could get excommunicated and burn in hell for this :eek:

    Fair play to her for speaking out against this cult at that age.. :)

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0811/religion.html

    Women aren't very powerful. I'm probably stronger than a woman, and almost certainly this old one.


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    #56
    stovelid
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    Great idea.

    I'll forbid herself to go.


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