Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Please note that it is not permitted to have referral links posted in your signature. Keep these links contained in the appropriate forum. Thank you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2055940817/signature-rules

is pluging a puncture without removing tyre acceptable

Options
2»

Comments

  • Options
    #32
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    Rubbish. Damage is often visable from the outside but the inside of the side wall can very easily be damaged without external signs both from being driven when flat and also from the nail/screw or whatever cutting into the inside of the sidewall.

    A bit strong, there will always be signs, it's just impossible for a tyre to sustain lethal damage and not show any trace of it on the outside.

    The big nail rubbing the side wall is something one would want to inspect for, absolutely ~ in fact any of these I'd find I'd leave in the tyre until the customer returned because I know they'd not believe me.

    But on price in advance last year, €20 for a repair and he was complaining about my side-wall scuffing ~ I told him I curb park and the tyres have a curbing ring.

    Balancing is another €10 so the €25 quoted above is probably reasonable. A puncture is a serious breakdown but the customer rarely appreciates this, also it's the novices job to fix the puncture and no qualified 'mechanic' would lower himself for ~ outside the small shops and the specialist one that is of course.

    So the industry did not take puncture repairs too seriously either in the past, I was not of that persuasion myself.

    BTW, as an OT on price, I was a one truck delivery manager and a garage once charged us £150 for a truck puncture repair ~ when I started back in tyres I was doing a truck loose fro a tenner and car for 75P :)


  • Options
    #33
    McP2011
    Registered Users Posts: 213 ✭✭McP2011


    Darren MB wrote: »
    All I'm saying is that I don't beleive it is fundamentally unsafe for a plug to be used to repair a minor puncture (also you have to admit for something as trival as a small screw this thread has gotton pretty blown out of proportion) the 25 Euro is small yes that's not the point. :)

    Eh?lol...the 25 euro is not small its f*ckin dear.


  • Options
    #34
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    gbee wrote: »
    A bit strong, there will always be signs, it's just impossible for a tyre to sustain lethal damage and not show any trace of it on the outside.

    If your happy with that then best of luck.


    Try saying that to a bridgestone or goodyear/dunlop representative when they come to assess your garage/tyre center or whatever it is you operate from.


  • Options
    #35
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    Try saying that to a bridgestone or goodyear/dunlop representative when they come to assess your garage/tyre center or whatever it is you operate from.

    I don't quite get this. Anyhow, I'm no longer fitting tyres ~ I'm out as long as I was in. I was around in the remould days and these were a master of disguise. I worked in the factory, delivery, claims, branch manager and finished out going 24hr commercial call out ~ had to do the course for Goodyear and what hazmat was for working with Esso.


  • Options
    #36
    Darren MB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9 ✭Darren MB


    gbee wrote: »
    I don't quite get this. Anyhow, I'm no longer fitting tyres ~ I'm out as long as I was in. I was around in the remould days and these were a master of disguise. I worked in the factory, delivery, claims, branch manager and finished out going 24hr commercial call out ~ had to do the course for Goodyear and what hazmat was for working with Esso.
    I get your last post (at least the first few lines with the lethal statement) I think a better description about may have been something like ...
    "If there was any question about internal damage to the tire the option to repair it would have been off the table before the tire was taken off the rim"
    I would expect most mechanics to be this competent. (I'm not a mechanic)


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #37
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    gbee wrote: »
    Anyhow, I'm no longer fitting tyres ~ I'm out as long as I was in. I was around in the remould days and these were a master of disguise. .

    Thankfully things have moved on alot since then.
    gbee wrote: »
    I don't quite get this.

    Representitives from the major tyre suppliers carry out training and inspection checks on tyre outlets and garages who supply their products and if you fail this inspection(on say... proper tyre repair procedures) then they will require further staff training in order to be allowed to continue officially selling/servicing their products.


  • Options
    #38
    ronanphilip
    Registered Users Posts: 211 ✭✭ronanphilip


    so went to a different tyre place today and got the tyre done again. they took tyre off, repaired it and balanced it. only cost €10. not bad considering i was charged €5 yesterday just to plug it from the outside.

    i also read on another forum, another broblem with plug from outside is that it may not seal every layer of the tire.

    from http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/cars/msg021758363092.html?15
    Tires have changed, and in the last five years we have been seeing ever increasing numbers of low profile, high performance tires. Many tire manufacturers do NOT permit the use of a plug to repair their tires. We have been instructed to use a "Patch/Plug assembly that is bonded to the inside of the tire. There are a number of reasons for using these. One is, the tire is taken apart, and examined for damage that often occurs when it gets run while low on air pressure. If you just slam a plug in a tire, you are assuming the tire is actually still OK, when in fact it might not be. A second reason is while the plug may seal the leak, it may not seal every layer of the tire. This can allow the air to force inbetween the layers of the tire, and litterally tear it apart from the inside. One of the most common failures that we see are seperated belts, this often happens because a plug didn't seal the entire depth of the failure.

    So in short, do plugs work "most of the the time" YES, they do. Do plugs fail to work, and actually cause problems? Yes it happens. Do you want a repair that is correct and will be trouble free 100% of the time? Use a patch/plug mounted from inside the tire.


  • Options
    #39
    couldntthink
    Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭couldntthink


    Darren MB wrote: »
    This is new to me. maybe depends on where in Canada.
    Locally Plugs are still readily available around Toronto, normally they take those kinds of things off the shelf when not allowed.

    You may have a point there. It could be one of those provincial laws. I was working in British Columbia.


  • Options
    #40
    Paddy001
    Registered Users Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Paddy001


    Nissan doctor wrote: »
    I've seen the lads pull 6inch nails, drill bits, screws of all sizes out of tyres as well as some very oddball stuff.

    I once took a spark plug out of one :rolleyes:


  • Options
    #41
    mickdw
    Registered Users Posts: 23,277 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    couldntthink wrote: »
    Sounds like you already have a problem before you even get to the tyre place!

    Nothing wrong with the shed guys. No matter the premises or the equipment,

    I dont agree. Trying to balance wheels with the old bubble type device is not suitable nowadays so the equipment is certainly important.

    Nissan doctor wrote: »


    Representitives from the major tyre suppliers carry out training and inspection checks on tyre outlets and garages who supply their products and if you fail this inspection(on say... proper tyre repair procedures) then they will require further staff training in order to be allowed to continue officially selling/servicing their products.

    Im sure the training is offered in the first instance as I cant see a tyre company telling anyone that they are stopping them selling their tyres.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #42
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    mickdw wrote: »
    I dont agree. Trying to balance wheels with the old bubble type device is not suitable nowadays so the equipment is certainly important. .

    Flashing lights gets them all the time .... :)

    TBH, if your tyre is of good quality and it's actually fitted properly, with modern alloys, you [really] don't need balancing.


  • Options
    #43
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    mickdw wrote: »
    Im sure the training is offered in the first instance as I cant see a tyre company telling anyone that they are stopping them selling their tyres.

    They can't/won't really stop you selling their products. But approved garages have access to manufacturer tech support, warranty claims procedures, official signage/advertising etc which non approved garages will not.
    Also approved garages will have manufacturer certification for specialist procedures such as run flat tyre fitting etc.
    This all means that the customer has official manufacturer support if an issue arises.
    gbee wrote: »
    Flashing lights gets them all the time .... :)

    TBH, if your tyre is of good quality and it's actually fitted properly, with modern alloys, you [really] don't need balancing.

    I won't bother saying rubbish again....

    Anything round which is designed to spin quickly requires balancing, from clutches and flywheels to cranks/crank pulleys to wheels and tyres.

    Just look at every brand new car on any forecourt, they all have balancing weights on their brand new wheels with premium tyres.


  • Options
    #44
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,588 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    gbee wrote: »

    TBH, if your tyre is of good quality and it's actually fitted properly, with modern alloys, you [really] don't need balancing.


    Have to disagree 100%

    Ive seen brand new alloys come out of the box with premium brand tyres fitted needing 10-15grams and sometimes more each side to balance.


Advertisement