Green Diesel Fine?

Our man in Havana · 10-05-2011 8:01pm

There is big money to be saved if you have the balls. If you have been at it for years the odd €250 fine is not going to eat that much into the savings you have had over the years of using green.

Esel · 11-05-2011 10:02pm

Isn't the maximum fine €2,500? I read somewhere that the vehicle can be seized for a second offence.

Our man in Havana · 11-05-2011 10:15pm

It may well be but they will often settle for a cash payment of around €250 at the side of the road.

Run_to_da_hills · 11-05-2011 11:17pm

I wonder if someone that was colour blind get away with driving with green diesel if he said he couldn't see the difference.

Esel · 12-05-2011 12:29am

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I wonder if someone that was colour blind get away with driving with green diesel if he said he couldn't see the difference.

Nah, 'cos they do an iris scan. :eek: Thought you would have known that . . . .

Hal1 · 12-05-2011 1:07am

So it will be "Blow into this" and "Look into this sir" at the checkpoints :pac:.

johnos1984 · 12-05-2011 1:10am

Many taxi's and cars around the border which are subject to customs checks often on both sides of the border are know to have a second fuel tank.....

brennarr · 12-05-2011 8:56am

Whats the price difference between green diesel and normal diesel. Is it a significant difference to risk it?

maxer68 · 12-05-2011 8:58am

shawnee wrote: »

Have heard a few stories of guys/girls ending up with green diesel in their tanks without knowing it. Recently a friend serviced a car for a lady and showed me the diesel that he had drained from it and it had a very strong tinge of green. She swears that she buys all her diesel at the pumps but some of these operators are selling this stuff mixed. There are a few places have opened up around here selling diesel only, no credit cards and are merely renting the place. I had a problem with dodgy diesel in my Mondeo and the mechanic put it down to the quality of the diesel.:o

That is Bullsh1t.

But road diesel can come in different colouring depending on whether it was made from a heavy oil or a light oil and the time of year..

All diesel in Ireland is the same, comes form same refineries and sometimes some brands add a lillte of what they call magic potion to theirs, but apart from that there is zero difference between diesel from Topaz, Applegreen, Amber, Texaco etc.

niall_f · 12-05-2011 9:00am

You can save a lot through this but also if gardai will catch you than you may have problems and pay big fine, but i think it's viable and you should try : )

-Chris- · 12-05-2011 9:05am

niall_f wrote: »

You can save a lot through this but also if gardai will catch you than you may have problems and pay big fine, but i think it's viable and you should try : )

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rosco p coltrane · 05-06-2011 1:28pm

maxer68 wrote: »

All diesel in Ireland is the same, comes form same refineries and sometimes some brands add a lillte of what they call magic potion to theirs, but apart from that there is zero difference between diesel from Topaz, Applegreen, Amber, Texaco etc.

I would have to seriously doubt this.

I drive a 14 year old, 2 ltr, turbo diesel. Tank takes 60 ltrs. Mostly motorway miles. Never going over 100kph. Never tearing the ar*e out of the car.
I checked all the suppliers for MPG.

Applegreen / Tesco : 520 miles
Topaz / Esso / Maxol : 570 - 585 miles (Maxol gave me 580 miles from 58 ltrs)

In my case, 58 litres @ .2cent (difference between apple/tesco and the main players per litre of fuel) is €1.16.

Can't see €1.16 getting you between 50 - 65 miles. In todays market a litre of diesel is €1.40 (ish). I'm getting around 10 miles to a litre. I'd need to be seeing a saving of €7.00 to make the change to the cheaper stuff. Have never shopped their since.

Just don't go near Great Gas, never mind Emo in Dromore West. (490 miles to a fill!!)

maxer68 · 05-06-2011 2:27pm

rosco p coltrane wrote: »

I would have to seriously doubt this.

You can doubt it, but the facts are it primarily comes from whitgate refinery in Cork.

After refining, some of the brands add additives which they claim give extra mileage and they claim scientific proof of this. The brands are Topaz, Maxol, Esso & Texaco.

If you drive a lot, (as you do) you will probably notice the difference (as you ahve) as these additives perform best on open raod driving and are less noticeable in urban driving.

But prior to additives been added after the refinery process, the diesel is all identical.

bonzos · 05-06-2011 3:52pm

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L1011 · 05-06-2011 4:58pm

maxer68 wrote: »

You can doubt it, but the facts are it primarily comes from whitgate refinery in Cork..

More is imported refined than comes from Whitegate but the point still stands that there's only a very limited supply of identical-on-delivery fuels in this country.

crisco10 · 27-06-2011 9:59am

Picked up rental car, got dipped. Green diesel found. Is there anything I can do?

Gophur · 27-06-2011 11:47am

crisco10 wrote: »

Picked up rental car, got dipped. Green diesel found. Is there anything I can do?

If you have the necessary receipts indicating the car was full when you got it and you can account for all fuels used while the car was in your possession, you should be OK.
Sounds like the previous renter, or the rental company (unlikely, though) filled the car up cheaply.

Bullseye1 · 27-06-2011 11:56am

The government should allow commercial haulage companies use green diesel just like they allow farm vehicles.

Northern Monkey · 27-06-2011 12:39pm

Bullseye1 wrote: »

The government should allow commercial haulage companies use green diesel just like they allow farm vehicles.

100% agree with this.

Eric Cartman · 27-06-2011 12:49pm

Bullseye1 wrote: »

The government should allow commercial haulage companies use green diesel just like they allow farm vehicles.

now that theyve went and made sure only companies get commercial tax on vehicles , they should just allow any vehicle commercially taxed to use green or some other sort of discount fuel, even some sort of revenue smart card which allowed you a certain amount of tax off a number of litres (depending on vehicle class) would be good

darragh o meara · 27-06-2011 12:59pm

Bullseye1 wrote: »

The government should allow commercial haulage companies use green diesel just like they allow farm vehicles.

And miss out on the millions they already make from them in fuel excise. If you looked at the figures the bulf of revenue from fuel comes from haulage companies. I think a lot of people are forgetting that trucks when the fill up are filling tanks that are 500 litres approx and more for trucks that go on the continent. So when you think about it if for arguements sake there is 90c per litre goes to revenue thats 450 euro a fill going to revenue now multiply that by the amount of the trucks on the road and its easy to see why that will never happen.

I have hears in recent times of haulage contractors sending over tankers to other countries where diesel is cheaper and bringin back thousands of litres for use in thier own trucks, Im not sure of the legalities but if its not not illegal you can be sure the revenue people will put some sort of tax on that too..

I have worked a lot around trucks over the years and a trick Ive seen some lads so is to have another diesel tank fitted inside the truck under the bunk that they wold fill with green diesel and use on the road, the normal tank would have a fill of ordinary diesel which if dipped would show no traces of green. Only problem with this is that if there was a problem with the engine the cab was near impossible to lift as the rams couldnt take the extra wieght.

An honest gesture by the governemnt would be to allow a rebate to haulage contractors on thier fuel if they were big consumers, it would actually bring in a few jobs too Id imagine as the overheads for the haulage contractors would go down, hence letting them bid a bit lower for work which if they got the job would hopefully allow for hiring a few more drivers. I cant see it happening though as the state this country is in at the moment any loss of revenue would mean tax hikes or they getting it elsewhere..

Gophur · 27-06-2011 1:58pm

darragh o meara wrote: »

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I have hears in recent times of haulage contractors sending over tankers to other countries where diesel is cheaper and bringin [sic] back thousands of litres for use in thier own trucks,.........

Who told you this? And you believed it?

kakashka · 31-08-2011 8:28am

Stinicker wrote: »

Agricultural Diesel is the exact same fuel as Road Diesel and is compliant with all Environmental Regulations as new Tractors have to comply with emissions targets like cars, the difference is the dye and the reduction in price. It is no different to ordinary diesel, the dangerous fuel is washed fuel which is illegally laundered Green Diesel with the dye removed using sulphuric acid, this stuff will cause you the world of problems and you'd be better off on Green or White than this because normal Diesel will not be contaminated.

Agri diesel was not the same as road diesel here and is only just being phased out from now on(some suppliers still supplying the high sulphur stuff) and it is dangerous in modern car engines but mostly because the high sulphur will destroy cat converters etc,while a lot of modern tractors are low emission(EU but not irish law) agri diesel here has not been and has caused serious problems with some modern agri engines,the new agri diesel will simply be low sulphur road diesel with dye added (which may cause problems for older tractors)

Bigjohn31 · 06-10-2011 1:46am

Hi folks. Quick question on the green diesel.

What happens if a car from the north fills up with green? Surely the Irish c&e can only prosecute if they catch u in the south and then the uk c&e shouldn't be able to prosecute either as if caught in the north u are surely cant be fined for dodging uk tax as u haven't got red diesel.

scoobymunster · 06-10-2011 6:36am

Where were ya caught? It's irrelevant if the dye is green or red. If you are dipped in RoI in a NI reg/ RoI reg in NI and they detect your using agri diesel then they'll still prosecute you. Colour of the dye means nothing, if the tax hasn't been paid on the fuel when it should be expect a lighter wallet on the way home:pac:

sligono1 · 06-10-2011 8:48am

bonzos wrote: »

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these sort of guys get off handy and the damage that their fuel is causing is causing motorist thousands,i can speak from experience.
why are fuel outlets not tested weekely

colinw839 · 02-09-2015 8:57pm

Will it pass a nct with green in it? It never had it in it before and he ran out of disel today and car in for nct tomorrow?

Pov06 · 02-09-2015 9:06pm

colinw839 wrote: »

Will it pass a nct with green in it? It never had it in it before and he ran out of disel today and car in for nct tomorrow?

Yes it will.

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