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Zero tolerance policing.

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  • #52
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    http://www.northernsound.ie/news/garda-whistleblower-alleges-hundreds-of-records-of-criminal-offences-were-changed-or-falsified/

    "up to 40 offences a month were ignored"

    Discretion, eh?


  • #53
    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http://www.northernsound.ie/news/garda-whistleblower-alleges-hundreds-of-records-of-criminal-offences-were-changed-or-falsified/

    "up to 40 offences a month were ignored"

    Discretion, eh?

    Allegation, eh?
    While it may turn out to have substance, or it may not, it's no more than an allegation at the moment. Quoting it as if it's an absolute truth to people used to proof beyond reasonable doubt is a bit silly if you want to be taken seriously. Of course it makes more sense if you're just sniping.


  • #54
    B_Rabbit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭B_Rabbit


    What about zero tolerance on certain aspects of crime, for example anti-social behaviour, theft, burglary, assault.


  • #55
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dermot Illogical wrote: »
    Allegation, eh?
    While it may turn out to have substance, or it may not, it's no more than an allegation at the moment. Quoting it as if it's an absolute truth to people used to proof beyond reasonable doubt is a bit silly if you want to be taken seriously. Of course it makes more sense if you're just sniping.
    Your response makes perfect sense if you are a blind defender of the Gardai too.
    It has to be asked where would I even go to look up the required statistics when the Gardai investigate themselves, are exempt from Freedom of Information legislation and whistleblowing is effectively witch hunted out of existence.
    If we were in AH instead of playing to the cheap applause crowd here in Emergency Services you wouldn't see so much support I can guarantee you that.


  • #56
    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    If we were in AH instead of playing to the cheap applause crowd here in Emergency Services you wouldn't see so much support I can guarantee you that.

    There's a lower burden of proof in AH?


  • #57
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dermot Illogical wrote: »
    There's a lower burden of proof in AH?
    So you have no proof or even evidence that the Gardai are either competent or diligent? OK. Thanks for your non-input.
    There's a lower number of Gardai at AH than here. And if there's one thing the Gardai are legendary for in Ireland it's closing ranks.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056604204
    There's an example from outside the homer brigade. Why have we no stats on reported and investigates crime? Because the Gardai refuse to provide it.
    Nothing suspicious there, eh?


  • #58
    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So you have no proof or even evidence that the Gardai are either competent or diligent? OK. Thanks for your non-input.
    There's a lower number of Gardai at AH than here. And if there's one thing the Gardai are legendary for in Ireland it's closing ranks.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056604204
    There's an example from outside the homer brigade. Why have we no stats on reported and investigates crime? Because the Gardai refuse to provide it.
    Nothing suspicious there, eh?

    Holy moving goalposts Batman!
    Answer one of your posts and I've to answer them all? You don't ask much.


  • #59
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Dermot Illogical wrote: »
    Holy moving goalposts Batman!
    Answer one of your posts and I've to answer them all? You don't ask much.
    A bit like answer one 999 and you expect me to answer them all, eh? ;-)
    So no evidence presented by defence? Noted!


  • #60
    Dermot Illogical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    So no evidence presented by defence? Noted!

    Defence? I simply responded to your post #52. I'm not sure what it is exactly you think I'm supposed to be defending?


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  • #61
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http://www.northernsound.ie/news/garda-whistleblower-alleges-hundreds-of-records-of-criminal-offences-were-changed-or-falsified/

    "up to 40 offences a month were ignored"

    Discretion, eh?

    That's about one per Garda stationed there. So you'd have an issue with a Garda letting 12 people off per year? You know, I don't think you understand what discretion is past penalty points. I'm assuming it's because you got some yourself. It goes far beyond traffic enforcement. It's not always necessary to punish the local drunk because you know he's down on his luck. It's not always necessary to prosecute the fella who left his key in the car and got it stolen. It's not always necessary to charge the two friends who got into a shoving match because they had a few too many. Or the publican who had trouble clearing the bar on time. Or the recently unemployed person who was late getting his NCT because he couldn't afford it. The world is not black and white. If prosecuting those people is the kind of policing you want then I suggest it's you that needs the attitude change.


  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Dan, you want a example of Gardaí doing their jobs? Maybe go into any of our criminal courts or perhaps inquests. Do you have figures on how many files the DPP have directed no prosecution? Or how many from Superintendents?

    So far all you have posted are two news reports. You have been asked to provide personal examples of your accusations and have so far failed to do so.

    If you are not happy with the responses that you are receiving here then maybe post the thread in After Hours.

    And here is another Garda ignoring a crime. This time off duty. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/off-duty-garda-foils-armed-robbers-in-meath-1.1793242

    Oh sorry, that should have been facing down armed criminals.


  • #63
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    foreign wrote: »
    Dan, you want a example of Gardaí doing their jobs? Maybe go into any of our criminal courts or perhaps inquests. Do you have figures on how many files the DPP have directed no prosecution? Or how many from Superintendents?

    So far all you have posted are two news reports. You have been asked to provide personal examples of your accusations and have so far failed to do so.

    If you are not happy with the responses that you are receiving here then maybe post the thread in After Hours.

    And here is another Garda ignoring a crime. This time off duty. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/off-duty-garda-foils-armed-robbers-in-meath-1.1793242

    Oh sorry, that should have been facing down armed criminals.

    You sure you didn't mean this one?

    http://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-hatchet-robbery-dungarvan-1462443-May2014/


  • #64
    rockonollie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭rockonollie


    Zero tolerance never works......simple fact is that there are always exceptions.

    Case and point (though from here in the US, not Ireland)....a local teen was rabbit hunting one evening (using a BB gun, not live ammunition), the following morning, he drives to school and realizes that his BB gun is still in the trunk. Instead of trying to hide it, he goes directly to the principals office, explains what happened and asks if he can call his parents to have them come and collect the gun. The school has a zero tolerance policy for bringing weapons on the grounds and the student is arrested, charged with bringing a firearm to school and expelled.

    It won't take much research to find countless incidents where a zero tolerance policy leads to a very unjust outcome.


  • #65
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    foreign wrote: »
    Dan, you want a example of Gardaí doing their jobs? Maybe go into any of our criminal courts or perhaps inquests. Do you have figures on how many files the DPP have directed no prosecution? Or how many from Superintendents?

    So far all you have posted are two news reports. You have been asked to provide personal examples of your accusations and have so far failed to do so.

    If you are not happy with the responses that you are receiving here then maybe post the thread in After Hours.

    And here is another Garda ignoring a crime. This time off duty. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/off-duty-garda-foils-armed-robbers-in-meath-1.1793242

    Oh sorry, that should have been facing down armed criminals.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-receives-scott-medal-for-foiling-post-office-raid-509347.html

    Heres another example of a garda doing her job

    http://www.herald.ie/news/woman-garda-foils-gang-of-teen-raiders-in-taxi-chase-drama-29259455.html

    And again - this one could have ignored the taxi - and no one would know :rolleyes:

    But she didn't

    http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/04/19/hero-garda-praised-terror-chase/


    This is the chase in Cork a few weeks ago :(

    http://www.thejournal.ie/armed-robbers-caught-1091974-Sep2013/

    Blanchardstown arrest just as raiders left the filling station they robbed.


  • #66
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Old diesel wrote: »
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/garda-receives-scott-medal-for-foiling-post-office-raid-509347.html

    Heres another example of a garda doing her job

    http://www.herald.ie/news/woman-garda-foils-gang-of-teen-raiders-in-taxi-chase-drama-29259455.html

    And again - this one could have ignored the taxi - and no one would know :rolleyes:

    But she didn't

    http://www.eveningecho.ie/2014/04/19/hero-garda-praised-terror-chase/


    This is the chase in Cork a few weeks ago :(

    http://www.thejournal.ie/armed-robbers-caught-1091974-Sep2013/

    Blanchardstown arrest just as raiders left the filling station they robbed.
    I've already given you much more anecdotal evidence that the Gardai are incredibly poor at responding to reported crime. Wasn't somebody moaning about this not being definitive proof of anything earlier? I'm sure he'll be along any second now to also put you in your place for doing exactly the same thing. :D


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  • #67
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I've already given you much more anecdotal evidence that the Gardai are incredibly poor at responding to reported crime. Wasn't somebody moaning about this not being definitive proof of anything earlier? I'm sure he'll be along any second now to also put you in your place for doing exactly the same thing. :D

    But your tarnishing the WHOLE force with the one brush - imo.

    I just posted some links to show you Gardaí actually dealing with incidents.

    The 2nd link is particularly interesting because (if im reading the article correctly) the Garda was OFF DUTY and traveling in her private car when she saw the taxi, was suspicious and followed it up.

    Funnily enough - a lot of the day to day awesome things that Gardaí do on a day to day basis - doesn't make the papers.

    Btw - I could have chosen LOTS more links like the ones ive already posted - would you like to see more :rolleyes:


  • #68
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Old diesel wrote: »
    But your tarnishing the WHOLE force with the one brush - imo.
    And you're bigging them up with a couple of examples of them doing their job IMO.
    Same difference.
    Do you want to see lots more links to inept, brutal or corrupt Gardai? :D


  • #69
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And you're bigging them up with a couple of examples of them doing their job IMO.
    Same difference.

    So what percentage of them don't do their job then in the manner you describe???.


  • #70
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Old diesel wrote: »
    So what percentage of them don't do their job then in the manner you describe???.
    It's impossible to tell because AGS keep that information secret. And they investigate themselves whenever there is an allegation. And whistleblowers are hounded.


  • #71
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    You don't have a case. Otherwise you would have to prove it. Pretty basic stuff. Glad you're not on my court team.
    You have a court team I'm glad, you need the help.
    OMG he didn't. That's like those Telegraph readers who say the Birmingham Six or second Hillsborough enquiry are proof of how good the British justice system is. Justice delayed is justice denied ring a bell? Any evidence that Gardai are "flat out"? You know you have to prove this, right? (PS. you just said so yourself two lines ago!)
    No I can suggest it as a possible alternative. You have to disprove it.
    Prove it. Remember you were saying earlier something about making a claim and providing evidence? You have thus far provided zero evidence of Garda competence or application to duty.

    You have been given several since I left.
    Here's another example of "evidence". (did you look that word up yet?)
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/rural-gardai-taking-twice-as-many-sick-days-as-city-officers-26630039.html
    Good on ye Dublin Gardai. Some of those rural Gardai pull more sickies in one year than I've had in ten.

    Good for you.


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  • #72
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Zambia wrote: »
    You have a court team I'm glad, you need the help.
    No I can suggest it as a possible alternative. You have to disprove it.
    You have been given several since I left.
    Good for you.
    Check carefully... nope, nothing relevant here this time either.
    How did I guess you wouldn't whine about anecdotal evidence of Garda competence, when you're all moany about any evidence against? I must be some regular sort of Nostradamus me!

    PS: I like the way you've given your own post the thumbs down at the top! How appropriate!


  • #73
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    It's impossible to tell because AGS keep that information secret. And they investigate themselves whenever there is an allegation. And whistleblowers are hounded.

    Ah - so maybe the majority of Gardaí do their job well then??? :confused:


  • #74
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Ah - so maybe the majority of Gardaí do their job well then??? :confused:
    I'm afraid there's no evidence to prove this, as Zambia will no doubt whatsoever :pac: concur.


  • #75
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I'm afraid there's no evidence to prove this, as Zambia will no doubt whatsoever :pac: concur.

    So wheres the evidence that the MAJORITY of gardai are not doing their job well???


  • #76
    rockonollie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭rockonollie


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    I'm afraid there's no evidence to prove this, as Zambia will no doubt whatsoever :pac: concur.

    Burden of proof falls on the accuser....... i.e. you


  • #77
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    rockonollie wrote: »
    Burden of proof falls on the accuser....... i.e. you
    And the guy who says "the majority of Gardaí do their job well". You will no doubt join me in condemning this statement as there is simply no evidence to back it up?
    Unless the Gardai are refusing to release this information as seems to be the norm for statistical information requests?
    Here's a quite informative story on how "helpful" the Gardai are regarding information requests....
    http://thestory.ie/2014/02/24/an-garda-siochana-transparency-and-access-to-information/


  • #78
    rockonollie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,626 ✭✭✭rockonollie


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And the guy who says "the majority of Gardaí do their job well". You will no doubt join me in condemning this statement as there is simply no evidence to back it up?
    Unless the Gardai are refusing to release this information as seems to be the norm for statistical information requests?
    Here's a quite informative story on how "helpful" the Gardai are regarding information requests....
    http://thestory.ie/2014/02/24/an-garda-siochana-transparency-and-access-to-information/

    Saying that somebody does their job well isn't an accusation.......if you disagree with this statement, then you are in effect stating that the majority of Gardai don't do their jobs well......this is an accusation, and the burden of proof is on you


  • #79
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    rockonollie wrote: »
    Saying that somebody does their job well isn't an accusation.......if you disagree with this statement, then you are in effect stating that the majority of Gardai don't do their jobs well......this is an accusation, and the burden of proof is on you
    Nope, sorry, there is no distinction. If you have no evidence that they do their job well that's all it is. Unproven. It doesn't matter whether you call it an accusation, comment, description or anything. No proof either way.


  • #80
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Nope, sorry, there is no distinction. If you have no evidence that they do their job well that's all it is. Unproven. It doesn't matter whether you call it an accusation, comment, description or anything. No proof either way.

    Could you do their job?


  • #81
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Zambia wrote: »
    Could you do their job?
    And how would I "prove" that? Don't see why not. You need a basic pass LC and a physical to get in, right?
    Or, of course, you don't need the LC at all at the recruiting board's "discretion". ;)


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  • #82
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And how would I "prove" that? Don't see why not. You need a basic pass LC and a physical to get in, right?
    Or, of course, you don't need the LC at all at the recruiting board's "discretion". ;)

    You need LC to be able to do the aptitude test. You also must do a report writing exam, pass an interview, pass a physical, pass a fitness test and pass the college course.

    I'm not exactly sure what your goal here is. Everything you've come up with has been refuted with evidence yet still you go on.


  • #83
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    I'm not exactly sure what your goal here is. Everything you've come up with has been refuted with evidence yet still you go on.
    Hello? Could you run this "refuting evidence" by me one more time? I'd like to see it again. Remember, a few anecdotes are not evidence of general Garda effectiveness or application.


  • #84
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And how would I "prove" that? Don't see why not. You need a basic pass LC and a physical to get in, right?
    Or, of course, you don't need the LC at all at the recruiting board's "discretion". ;)

    You prove it by applying - been successful, becoming a Garda - going out on the streets - and doing the job well.

    Can't think of any other way really :rolleyes:


  • #85
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Hello? Could you run this "refuting evidence" by me one more time? I'd like to see it again. Remember, a few anecdotes are not evidence of general Garda effectiveness or application.

    It's a lot more than you have produced to support your claims though.


  • #86
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Old diesel wrote: »
    You prove it by applying - been successful, becoming a Garda - going out on the streets - and doing the job well.

    Can't think of any other way really :rolleyes:
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: that just proves they passed an exam - nothing at all about whether the job is done well :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Everybody's passed the exam at some stage, but I suppose you'll insist we are all great Irish speakers?


  • #87
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It's a lot more than you have produced to support your claims though.
    Go on then, I asked you to repeat your evidence that the average Gardai is competent, dedicated and diligent. For some reason you don't appear to be able to do so... almost as if the evidence never existed in the first place! Amazing coincidence!

    Here, this is what evidence of Gardai not being good at their job would look like:
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-massaging-crime-statistics-for-years-new-cso-report-shows-26441540.html
    Now all you have to do is find evidence that says the opposite.


  • #88
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Go on then, I asked you to repeat your evidence that the average Gardai is competent, dedicated and diligent. For some reason you don't appear to be able to do so... almost as if the evidence never existed in the first place! Amazing coincidence!

    What kind of evidence do you want? Perhaps you'd be interested to know that road deaths in Ireland have gone from one of the worst in Europe to one of the best.

    EDIT: In response to your ninja edit. The Gardaí have already highlighted this. What it is is an example of what happens when politics gets involved in policing.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/crime-stats-lower-due-to-massaging-of-figures-says-gra-president-592896.html


  • #89
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: that just proves they passed an exam - nothing at all about whether the job is done well :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Everybody's passed the exam at some stage, but I suppose you'll insist we are all great Irish speakers?

    Yawn


  • #90
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Yawn
    Yawn? I can see how being repeatedly proven to be completely incorrect might be getting boring for you at this stage alright!


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  • #91
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Yawn? I can see how being repeatedly proven to be completely incorrect might be getting boring for you at this stage alright!

    The reason I went "yawn" was because your post seems to suggest you have VERY little knowledge on what a Gardas job might actually entail.

    Tell me how ive been proven wrong???? :rolleyes:


  • #92
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    Go on then, I asked you to repeat your evidence that the average Gardai is competent, dedicated and diligent. For some reason you don't appear to be able to do so... almost as if the evidence never existed in the first place! Amazing coincidence!

    Here, this is what evidence of Gardai not being good at their job would look like:
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-massaging-crime-statistics-for-years-new-cso-report-shows-26441540.html
    Now all you have to do is find evidence that says the opposite.

    Detection and conviction are two completely different things. ;)

    And is it the average garda that's "fiddling with the stats"


  • #93
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Old diesel wrote: »
    Detection and conviction are two completely different things. ;)
    This exposes the fact that "detection" in garda parlance can mean only that they know or have a rough idea of who committed a crime, but haven't actually gained enough evidence for a conviction.

    LOL, sure I know in me heart who did it boss, isn't that close enough!


  • #94
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    LOL, sure I know in me heart who did it boss, isn't that close enough!

    Well done - you just confirmed the difference between a detection and a conviction.


  • #95
    Old diesel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Old diesel


    Oh look what have we got here - those incompetent gardai managed to catch raiders

    http://www.herald.ie/news/fifth-burglar-arrested-after-gardai-catch-raiders-in-act-29492172.html

    More raiders - still they are incompetent aren't they - the gardai I mean

    http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/pair-due-in-court-over-failed-armed-raid-on-petrol-station

    This ones interesting because Gardaí were already in the area responding to reports of suspicious activity

    http://www.thejournal.ie/gardai-hatchet-robbery-dungarvan-1462443-May2014/

    Bravery awards

    http://www.thejournal.ie/seven-gardai-honoured-medals-bravery-672775-Nov2012/

    But they are all incompetent according to you


  • #96
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Unbelievable alright. Gardai doing their jobs and getting awards for doing it. Astounding.
    Pity you've provided far less positive PR spin than the litany of testimonies about incompetent, brutal and negligent Gardai you can find all across boards.is. And a scatter of anecdotes don't cut it against the abysmal conviction rate. Nope, I never said all Gardai BTW, you can pretend I did but you'll fail to quote me.
    Yeah, at least we all know what detection means now. It's "bump up the figures for good PR". ;-)


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    TheNog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    And a scatter of anecdotes don't cut it against the abysmal conviction rate. ;-)

    Out of interest is there a link to abysmal conviction rate?


  • #98
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    TheNog wrote: »
    Out of interest is there a link to abysmal conviction rate?

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-massaging-crime-statistics-for-years-new-cso-report-shows-26441540.html


  • #99
    bravestar
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    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-massaging-crime-statistics-for-years-new-cso-report-shows-26441540.html

    It is not AGS job to convict people. It is AGS job to investigate and present all available evidence to a court.


  • #100
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    bravestar wrote: »
    It is not AGS job to convict people. It is AGS job to investigate and present all available evidence to a court.

    Now now let's not go getting to the truth of the matter when wild accusations and conjecture will do.


  • #101
    TheNog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-massaging-crime-statistics-for-years-new-cso-report-shows-26441540.html

    Check out this one from the CSO. It looks at crime detection rates from 2007-2011

    http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/crimejustice/2011/gardacrimestats_2011.pdf


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