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Is it disrespectful to walk on people's graves?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭TheBegotten


    I actually quite like looking at old graves and noting things like family names, date of birth /death and nearby graves of relatives. However, just crunching across the gravel without a thought is a bit callous, especially if they didn't even bother to glance at the headstone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    I wouldn't do it exept tending the family grave.

    It somehow makes me feel 'closer' to members of Class relatives that have gone before me.

    There's a poster on here called Defiler of the coffin.

    I hope he posts on this thread...:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    I find that clip of your man dancing on Haughey's grave a little disturbing.

    What about his widow looking at that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    dirtyden wrote: »
    I find that clip of your man dancing on Haughey's grave a little disturbing.

    What about his widow looking at that?

    Haughey is an exception. Sure his widow is probably still living off the fat of our land anyway, So dance on ....


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    Pay me honour while i live .You think dead complain ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭EdenHazard


    Yes of course it is. Its something you do when your 6, if you just stroll across graves and your older than 12 :rolleyes:
    I hate this 'oh well we're just bones' like get a grip seriously. Yes we know that, we know your suggesting at your atheism, well done, but still that grave holds significance for someone, so give them that respect.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    As others have said already, if you're tending a grave then that's ok. But to take a shortcut over someone's grave, it's a bit sh*tty tbh. They may be just a pile of bones to you, but someone somewhere worshipped those bones when they were on this earth so would it be all that difficult just to not do it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    A lot of graveyards are very busy so it's hard to avoid other people's graves. When I went to show my sons their granny's grave. Not my Mother (she's still alive) but hers. I had no choice and they could give a damm. We stamped all over other people's graves.

    But I don't think they care and frankly I wouldn't either being dead and all. So it's not an issue. If dead people were aware of anything they'd be glad anyone came near them.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    xflyer wrote: »
    A lot of graveyards are very busy so it's hard to avoid other people's graves. When I went to show my sons their granny's grave. Not my Mother (she's still alive) but hers. I had no choice and they could give a damm. We stamped all over other people's graves.

    But I don't think they care and frankly I wouldn't either being dead and all. So it's not an issue. If dead people were aware of anything they'd be glad anyone came near them.

    If it had been your sons graves (god forbid), would you feel the same about people "stamping" all over them?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭ToniTuddle


    Millicent wrote: »
    You know what's worse? People vandalising graves. I heard of a family who lost their child and vandals kept smashing it up and stealing the teddies and toys off it. I'm not sure I believe in hell but if there is such a place, I hope those fuckers rot in it.

    I really don't understand people who would do that, they must be fooked in the head on some level they have to be! :confused:

    At graveyard masses sometimes you can't avoid it due to the place being packed and you might have to step out of the way. But ones who sit or lean against other peoples headstones during the mass is feicin rude. Get your hairy arse off my relative thank you very much!

    But the one thing I can't stand is mothers/fathers letting their kids run about and grab stones from strangers graves and throw them about the place......WTF?
    Get the fuck away from my grannys grave you little **** :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    xflyer wrote: »
    A lot of graveyards are very busy so it's hard to avoid other people's graves. When I went to show my sons their granny's grave. Not my Mother (she's still alive) but hers. I had no choice and they could give a damm. We stamped all over other people's graves.

    But I don't think they care and frankly I wouldn't either being dead and all. So it's not an issue. If dead people were aware of anything they'd be glad anyone came near them.

    It's not that the dead would notice but that living family members would and frankly it shouldn't even need to be said to anyone who had any cop on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,023 ✭✭✭howtomake


    paddyandy wrote: »
    If you walk on a grave and you wake in the night with something tugging at yer ankle then it's time to stop it .
    :eek: I have kinemortophobia, so no you won't catch me doing it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭PickledLime


    To all the thundering gobsheens saying 'they're just bones lol!' have you had the grief of burying a loved one in the last few years? Thought not, because your attitude would be very, very different.

    As for walking on them, well if there's no way around it (as is the case in certain parts of old cemeteries) and you have to walk within the grave's demarcation, so be it, but try to disturb it as little as possible. As for someone who'd deliberately walk on someone's grave, they should probably look up the terms 'morals' and 'respect' because they clearly have neither.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭xflyer


    If it had been your sons graves (god forbid), would you feel the same about people "stamping" all over them?
    I'm realistic to realise that sometimes there is no choice. That's my point.

    The dead don't care.


  • Posts: 50,630 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    xflyer wrote: »
    I'm realistic to realise that sometimes there is no choice. That's my point.

    You didn't answer the question.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    would it not be more a case of dancing on one's grave.. in this disco bunny climate - what about having a sesh on one's tomb. like we used to do in the graveyard across the road. The old boy was still the life n soul, tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭PickledLime


    xflyer wrote: »
    I'm realistic to realise that sometimes there is no choice. That's my point.

    The dead don't care.

    Obviously the dead don't care, that's not the issue. I think you're missing the point that cemeteries serve a greater purpose to the living than the dead, because they represent a loved one's final resting place, offer a defined place for quiet reflection towards the deceased and so you shouldn't walk on other people's graves because the living certainly care.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    D'oh! No :rolleyes:

    As if they'll care!


  • Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭marty1985


    I wouldn't, and would take offence at someone "stomping" across the grave of a friend or family member. I think it's the height of bad manners when done in a "oh nobody cares" way. At times stepping on a grave is unavoidable, but it should be avoided when possible as a sign of respect. Sadly, too many ignorant kids grow up today thinking all religious beliefs are silly with the "silly beliefs don't deserve respect" mantra. To those I say tread softly dumbass.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Well sure people can't help it, it's my garden

    Oh I've said too much, yes yes, very disrespectful


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    No- only to piss on them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Is it disrespectful to dig up someone's grave?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭PickledLime


    marty1985 wrote: »
    . Sadly, too many ignorant kids grow up today...

    Not to mention the utter morons they have for parents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Weylin wrote: »
    where/how did you come up with this,that is the most ,dumbest,ignorant conclusion that ever explains the existance of humans.please go back to your x-box,toys :pac::pac::pac:
    No more dumb or ignorant than the notion that it's the dead person's final 'resting' place and a few footsteps of a human (but strangely enough not a fox, badger or any other animal) would disturb them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    I try not to walk on graves, its a small matter of respect for me, thats all.
    Its a personal thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    To all the thundering gobsheens saying 'they're just bones lol!' have you had the grief of burying a loved one in the last few years? Thought not, because your attitude would be very, very different.

    As for walking on them, well if there's no way around it (as is the case in certain parts of old cemeteries) and you have to walk within the grave's demarcation, so be it, but try to disturb it as little as possible. As for someone who'd deliberately walk on someone's grave, they should probably look up the terms 'morals' and 'respect' because they clearly have neither.

    So I'm a gobsheen am I? That's nice. I think you should get off your high horse of respect before you start calling names.

    Stop presuming how other people will think. I buried someone very close to me just over a year ago but I still think its a pile of bones in a wooden box in the ground. I know that the dead person won't notice so it doesn't bother me in that respect. To quote another poster I don't "show respect to silly religious beliefs". Although I wouldn't walk across a grave not out of respect but just not to offend anyone or cause myself trouble. Maybe that is respect, but for the living, not a corpse.

    As for posters who go and call names and make presumptions without reading into the situation "they should probably look up the terms 'morals' and 'respect' because they clearly have neither."


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    No it's not disrespectful depending on the age of said grave.

    To make some money tho I enjoy strealing headstones, sanding them down and re-selling them on......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,424 ✭✭✭Felexicon


    Stiffler2 wrote: »
    No it's not disrespectful depending on the age of said grave.

    To make some money tho I enjoy strealing headstones, sanding them down and re-selling them on......
    What is this "strealing" you speak of? If it involves a swag bag count me in.

    Also as a rule I wouldn't walk on a grave as a mark of respect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,520 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    People forgetting the living. If I saw someone walking on a grave of a loved one when it's easy to not walk on it then I would not be happy. Goes without saying I wouldn't nonchalantly stroll on someones grave.

    Would you stand on a child's newly dug grave? Or is that different suddenly?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Personally? Yes I think so, but primarily a sign of disrespect to the family, relatives, friends etc of the dead rather than the dead person themselves.

    I would avoid it when at all possible, there's no real need to be walking over the graves of others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,459 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    It obviously depends on the age of the grave, and whether there's likely to be family members and friends still visiting it, in which case, it's a little disrespectful to them.

    But as someone else already mentioned, there's people buried under just about every square foot of land in this country. Grave site's can't remain sacred forever, or we'd run out of room.


  • Registered Users Posts: 629 ✭✭✭The Radiator


    Kinda


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    Yes I think it's disrespectful . And if at all possible I dont


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭Ghandee


    I try as best I can, not to walk on a grave.

    I cant help feeling that I'm actually treading on someone, or disturbing someone. Silly, I know, but if its someones Final 'Resting' place, then it should be respected imo.

    As rightly pointed out earlier, if treading on the grave to tend to it/change flowers etc, thats ok.

    Just walking on it to take a shortcut/laziness/disrespect is a shameful act.


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭paddyandy


    There are people who cannot even tolerate the idea of the sacred .It disturbs them .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Jeez it's hard to believe that 88 people would just trudge over the graves of other peoples family members. Would ye jump on the coffin when it is in the funeral parlour as well I wonder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    Would ye jump on the coffin when it is in the funeral parlour as well I wonder?

    Depends how sexy she was/is


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    It is either disrespectful or is it isnt. Like in the way, saying "You're a cnut" is universally seen to be disrespectful.
    But in the his case, walking alone through a graveyard taking shortcuts is disrespectful, but on the day of a packed funeral, 100s of people climbing all over graves is no bother at all. :confused:


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  • Site Banned Posts: 116 ✭✭DERPY HOOFS


    Well when i am dead i would not care but it is disrespectfull


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    It doesn't matter, it's primitive superstition. Akin to those people who say they'd donate certain things, but they wouldn't donate their eyes. As if the use of ones eyes is something that will matter when you are dead.


  • Posts: 3,505 [Deleted User]


    Pushtrak wrote: »
    It doesn't matter, it's primitive superstition. Akin to those people who say they'd donate certain things, but they wouldn't donate their eyes. As if the use of ones eyes is something that will matter when you are dead.

    Respect and good manners aren't physical absolutes, they're tactful, good sense, and show interpersonal skills. If it's a superstition, so what? It shows respect to the people who do care and it takes no terrible effort.

    If you think you need a reason like "because the dead will rise up and kill you and be all angry and stuff", then there's something you're seriously overlooking. You shouldn't need a reason to be considerate when it's not going to cost you anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    Respect and good manners aren't physical absolutes, they're tactful, good sense, and show interpersonal skills. If it's a superstition, so what? It shows respect to the people who do care and it takes no terrible effort.
    It takes less effort to not care one way or the other. It isn't as if I go out of my way to walk on graves. Hell, it isn't as if I find myself near them all that much, so don't lose sleep over it.
    If you think you need a reason like "because the dead will rise up and kill you and be all angry and stuff", then there's something you're seriously overlooking. You shouldn't need a reason to be considerate when it's not going to cost you anything.
    I think one should treat others as they themselves would like to be treated. So, when I see a topic that is vacuous, I tend to treat it as such.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    Gnobe wrote: »
    But in reality we are all dead, does it matter?
    Nah you're grand. You can even piss on them. Sure they're all dead and don't mind, do they?
    Gnobe wrote: »
    Especially if the grave is over 100 years old?
    Ah if it's a 100 years old grave you can even have a dump on one, who cares, why bother and all that...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    For everyone that is alive there are 15 dead, that is 120 billion dead, so the chances are you walk on someone's grave everyday. Another question you could ask about that figure where are all the ghosts.

    Did you ever wonder why the land is always high around church grave yards, now you know.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    Pushtrak wrote: »
    It doesn't matter, it's primitive superstition. Akin to those people who say they'd donate certain things, but they wouldn't donate their eyes.


    You will need them to look up at the assh*les who walk on your grave, you just won't have the heart to react.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    My grandmother and uncle were cremated so when were burying his ashes, in a tiny graveyard that only has plots for ashes, tiny plots back to back with only narrow paths in between rows; entire family tried to cram round one small plot, we inevitably ended up standing on other graves... not trampling the flowers and messing them up or anything; freaked my brother right out when he realised. I don't see any disrespect in what we were doing that day, nor would I be annoyed if I happened by the graveyard while another family was having a burial and was standing on their grave.

    But if you can walk around it, then it's just curtesy and respect!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    44leto wrote: »
    For everyone that is alive there are 15 dead, that is 120 billion dead

    I thought that there are more people alive now then there was ever in the past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,773 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    It depends on the intent. It doesn't bother me that someone might walk on my grave (at some point in the long distant future), but I would not deliberately walk on someone's grave, its sort of 'their - or their relatives' - space'. If you are inside an old church there is every chance you are walking on bodies as important (or rich) people were often buried within the building.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    YFlyer wrote: »
    44leto wrote: »
    For everyone that is alive there are 15 dead, that is 120 billion dead

    I thought that there are more people alive now then there was ever in the past.

    But people go back to like 35000bc that just a guess from what I remember from JC history.


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