Re: Adolf Hitler

logik wrote: »

Yes, if Germany had not invaded the USSR when they did we would most likely be under German rule. If the 3.5 million + troops and the tanks etc that were sent to the USSR had of been focused on Europe, the Allies would have been overrun.

Invading the USSR when they did, was the turning point of the war and ultimately resulted in Germany losing the war.

the whole german invasion of ireland myth and all that fabricated nonsense...a very western view of the world and basically the product of decades of brainwash and propaganda...most around here have no clue what hitler was all about; in fact i think most don’t know the basics of why and how ww2 even happened...

whupdedo wrote: »

So your saying debate on the subject shouldn't be allowed unless we have the text book definition of what really took place .

You might be more relaxed if you didn't read or get involved in the thread , as you seem to be getting aggrieved at our perceived ignorance of the subject

sorry, for a moment i was under the impression this might be a serious debate on actual history...and yes, i will stay out of it...and of course you can have a debate on fictional stuff and myths...no worries...

This is from an interview of Rabbi Dalin who wrote a book about how Pope Pius XII saved many Jews.

Woods: Faced with the fact that many Roman Jews were in fact saved by Catholics during World War II, many critics of Pius XII fall back on the argument that those Jews were saved by individual priests, bishops, religious, and laity rather than in response to a papal directive. What do you make of this claim?




Dalin: As I discuss in much detail in my book, this claim is historically false: There is much firsthand evidence testifying to Pius’s explicit instructions to save Jews, including that of Monsignor John Patrick Carroll-Abbing. Carroll-Abbing was the founder of Boys Towns of Italy and a confidant of Pius XII. He also, on explicit instructions from the pope, fed and sheltered Jews during the Nazi occupation of Rome. In his two memoirs, A Chance to Live and But for the Grace of God, published in 1952 and 1965, respectively, he provides extensive details about Pius XII’s rescue efforts on behalf of the Jews — efforts with which he was directly involved.
In a remarkable interview given to Inside the Vatican (August/September 2001), Carroll-Abbing recounted how the pope had directly ordered him to save the Jews. He stressed that the claim of papal critics that he, and other Catholic rescuers like him, acted in spite of the pope’s silence, “is a blatant lie! I spoke to Pope Pius XII many times during the war, in person, face to face, and he told me not once but many times to assist the Jews…. I can personally testify that the pope gave me direct, face-to-face, verbal orders to rescue Jews.”
During the Nazi occupation of Rome, three thousand Jews found refuge at one time at the pope’s summer residence at Castel Gandolfo. Amazingly, Castel Gandolfo is never mentioned or discussed in the anti-papal writings of many of the pope’s critics. Yet at no other site in Nazi-occupied Europe were as many Jews saved and sheltered for as long a period as at Castel Gandolfo during the Nazi occupation of Rome. Kosher food was provided for the Jews hidden there, where, as George Weigel has noted, Jewish children were born in the private apartments of Pius XII, which became a temporary obstetrical ward.
Pius’s critics who do mention Castel Gandolfo argue — ludicrously — that the Jews were sheltered at the pope’s summer residence without direct papal knowledge or involvement. But the fact is that Castel Gandolfo is under the official jurisdiction of the pope and no one but he has the authority to open its doors. According to several eyewitnesses, including Monsignor Carroll-Abbing, that is precisely what Pius XII did.
The firsthand testimony of Italian Cardinal Pietro Palazzini also refutes the fallacious claims of papal critics that those Italian Catholics who rescued Jews did not do so in response to papal directives. In 1985, Cardinal Palazzini was honored by Yad Vashem, Israel’s Holocaust Memorial, as a “righteous gentile,” who “had endangered his life” and gone “above and beyond the call of duty to save [Italian] Jews during the Holocaust.” When he was honored by Yad Vashem as a “righteous gentile,” Palazzini testified that Pius XII had personally ordered him to save and shelter Jews.

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In Hungary the Church issued 80,000 baptismal certs to Jews so they could pretend they were Catholic and not Jewish.


This from a Jewish site:

It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives - more than all the international agencies put together.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/piusdef.htmlOn the first page of this thread there are some very ignorant comments towards the Catholic church.