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[Article] Dublin Outer Bypass could be tolled

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    #62
    D'Peoples Voice
    Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭D'Peoples Voice


    bk wrote:
    IMO your view is the typical old Irish short sighted view. Instead of building for the needs of tomorrow, just build inadequate infrastructure for todays needs, jut so you can save a few bob today (but cost way more in the long term).

    This is exactly the type of short sightedness that has lead to the disaster that the M50 is and now it's very costly upgrade.
    Lets be honest here, the M50 is SURROUNDED by huge population centres like Tallaght(N81), Clondalkin(N7), Lucan(N4) and Blanchardstown(N3). The M50 is used as a commuter route.
    It's a bit different for the outer ring road, it's not to be used as a commuter route, nor is it surrounded by population centres as big as those named above(either now and very unlikely into the future).
    I agree with leaving room for such an extension to take place, that's something many would argue they didn't do with the M50.


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    #63
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,495 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    D'Peoples Voice wrote:
    Lets be honest here, the M50 is SURROUNDED by huge population centres like Tallaght(N81), Clondalkin(N7), Lucan(N4) and Blanchardstown(N3). The M50 is used as a commuter route.
    It's a bit different for the outer ring road, it's not to be used as a commuter route, nor is it surrounded by population centres as big as those named above(either now and very unlikely into the future).

    Actually, when the M50 started out, it wasn't supposed to be a commuter route, it was supposed to be a Dublin by-pass, just like the new outer orbital, but we have all seen how that worked out. Dublin expanded massively out to the M50, due to bad planning.

    I certainly hope that the same isn't left happen to the outer orbital road. Hopefully through good road design and strong planning permission, it won't be left develop in a M50 mark 2.
    D'Peoples Voice wrote:
    I agree with leaving room for such an extension to take place, that's something many would argue they didn't do with the M50.

    Actually, on the contrary, the M50 was designed and planned from the start to be easily upgraded, with very wide medians and verges, so that extra lanes could be added. Yet we have seen that even when you leave space for upgrading, it still costs 100's of millions to upgrade, never mind the disturbance to the existing traffic while you upgrade.

    So why not spend just 10% now to over engineer and build a motorway now, rather then leave the space and have is cost 100% more in 10 years time?


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