CI and IVCA

It would be nice to have some vets only races. there is provision for over 50 races but I guess most of the guys would prefer over 40.

There would be nothing to stop people organising a vets only race ala club league but I would think if you advertised a vets only race you would get a fairly full field.

killalanerr wrote: »

Do the IVCA not do all ready do this in a very professional way,,if only CI could see a way to allow IVCA members into CI events and vise versa sound simple !

see my previous post they must have crossed in the ether!

Kebel wrote: »

Anto

Not trying to put you on the spot but based on previous posts etc on the IVCA forum, (you will be aware of them) myself and other IVCA members were of the opinion that CI were again recognising IVCA licenses, as was the case in previous years. Indeed I have a seen an e-mail from Heather (issued less than 1 week ago) to an IVCA member confirming that CI would recognise IVCA licenses in their events (National Champs aside).

Myself and some of my pals accordingly made plans and paid for our IVCA license believing that we could ride IVCA races, plus an occasional open race from time to time. I personally have also taken out a CI club license at a cost of €55 and now if I am hearing you correctly will now have to shell out a further 120 for a full license for the couple of open races in my diary. If this is the case I would in fact have been better off not bothering with the Club License at all and simply taking out the full CI license to begin with, albeit that then I will as you have suggested be "doubly insured". By the way in such a case the insurers will not pay out twice, so there is no benefit to holding two licenses. The reason behind this strategy was based purely on the fact that I (and others) quite simply do not have the means to pay for two licenses; things as you are aware, are difficult for many of us in Ireland, and it seems illogical therefore that despite the assurances given in recent weeks / days that the situation has changed for based on my reading of this thread what you are saying is that IVCA members are not welcome at CI events.


Kebel

I am not too sure but I would say that was a scanned letter from our Sec to yours which was circulated to IVCA members before the EGM that they were going to have, which was a proposal. I will be pushing for us to allow IVCA races in our events. Regarding the double insurance I was in truth being a bit sarcastic and highlighting the idiocy of having to have 2 insurances to ride your bike!!

@raggazo I will answer you later.

wpd wrote: »

Firstly thanks Morana for updating situation. It was actually me that posted on IVCA forum and i appreciate your reply.

Only last night i saw the recent email from CI saying they would accept ivca licences to open races bar champs however this position seems to have moved

In this hard times its hard to expect people to buy two licences, which is what i had to do last year.

With the season just around the corner I had hoped this could be sorted out for the benefit of both organisations. Surely its better to have as many people riding your races as possible.

Ok I fess up I wasnt aware that an email like that has circulated. As I said it was my intention to push for recognition of IVCA licences in our races anyway but if thats the case thats magic. I will check it immediately.

@Phil If a group of CI members would like to start promoting Vet only races I would be happy to help to move this along. I am sure you would accept IVCA licences

ragazzo wrote: »

Here is some background:
There was a mutual recognition of licences for many years. At the end of 2010 CI, for whatever reason, decided that they would no longer recognise IVCA racing licences for CI open races.
The IVCA did not retaliate in any way whatsoever. They continued to accept CI licences for all their events, including Championship events.
CI riders paid a €10 sign on fee for each race.

During this time the IVCA also continued to financially support CI with sponsorship of the 'Junior Tour' and 'Rás na mBán'. They also financially supported a number of promising young cyclists whom CI refused to grant aid. Obviously the available grants were more beneficial to our ProTour riders rather than some talented developing riders.

During the 2011 season the IVCA rolled out a new swipe card sign on system with the aim of streamlining the task and eliminating cash at sign on. This proved very successful. Following on from this, a motion at the 2011 IVCA AGM was passed that all riders participating in IVCA races would have to pay their memberships and race fees in advance of the season.
This is a total of €165 and covers approximately 40 races.

CI, some weeks after the IVCA AGM, decided that after one year they would start recognising IVCA licences again.

I am not aware of any senior IVCA members who wished to refuse recognition of CI licences nor am I aware of any splits or divides.

The CI Board made a remarkably shortsighted decision when they refused to recognise IVCA licences. This ruling only served to punish cyclists and certainly was not made for the good of Irish cycling.

I am sure that the IVCA will continue to work in the interests of Irish Cycling and, as a veterans organisation, continue to back the development of young, talented Irish cyclists.

Lets not get into a "we are better than you" game!! I wont play that but I feel as I always do, I have to respond to your post. I sure it was merely to help Beasty understand where we are but I find the use of words like retaliate and punish a bit strange.

Please read this first if you havent already. We went thru a negotiation phase of 1.5yrs as we felt the majority of IVCA members would benefit if the IVCA came under our umbrella. As I said in the other post we respect your decision not to come.

I think its important you understand how the grant system works in Ireland. Criteria are set by CI and agreed with the Irish Sports council. The council give the grants when riders achieve the criteria. Full Stop. CI doesn't have any involvement with it apart from processing the application and forwarding it on. there is one exception to this. Tandem pilots have to be paid from CI money when the tandem achieves carding. We cant get out of that one.

If you think that we decided to ask for the agreement to be reinstated because of the motion at your agm I can assure that this was not the case. We took the decision at our November board meeting prior to your AGM and the letter went out on the 29th December.
We do nothing for development except the Sprocket Rocket program which is an 8 week program for €10. the sponsorship doesnt cover it for us. We put thru 2000 young cyclists thru the program last year, We also put in place a Gearing up program which is being rolled out this year as a follow on from SR. We have signed agreements with British Cycling and Scottish cycling to use coaching and other material from them to develop riders. We have shifted more to Development by putting int place dev squads at every age group up to U23 this includes Talent 2020 female and male. Our clubs promote races for youth up and down the country on a weekly basis. We produced a booklet at our own expense for starting riders off . We assisted Mick Lawless in bringing to life his dream of a closed circuit road course in Corkagh park (which will be available to the IVCA to run their races on) we currently are in the process of finalising the velodrome project which will be a great starting place for young riders, we are continuing to run our dev program for paracyclists who hopefully will continue to bring medals to ireland.

and as I always say by "we" I mean the great clubs and volunteers that we have up and down the country who put on these events and run these programs. It is not the board its the lucans, Swords, phoenix etc. etc. etc.

@WPD I have checked and I think what went out was the proposal from us to the IVCA which was to reinstate the agreement. It made reference to the exclusion of National Championships for IVCA licence holders.

I will raise this with the our board in the hope that they will agree that we can allow IVCA members do our races, sportifs, mtb stuff, track, TT leagues, club leagues except for Regional and National Championships.

I am extremely hopeful that a press release will issue today on this.

RPL1 wrote: »

Now you're teasing us!

Cycling Ireland will accept IVCA licences in our events. I expect a full PR in the near future.

This was on foot of us receiving an agreement from the IVCA of mutual recognition of licences.

Beasty wrote: »

Does the "Nationals" exclusion still apply? (not that it matters to me, but it may to some)

Yes it does.

High Nellie wrote: »

Are there exclusions on the IVCA side?
Why dont you just release the deal rather than feeding us titbits at a time?

I am sorry I cant speak for the IVCA. You have to sign up with them to do their races before the 1st March go to ivca.info for info

I didnt mean to feed titbits but there are so many things going on in the office today I couldnt get a hold of anybody to put something together.

High Nellie wrote: »

Ya, thanks - I can appreciate that u are busy. But I'd like to see the deal - if it's reciprocal then I would accept that they would accept CI members equally. If not, I think CI has left us down. After all, CI is the official national federation.

CI is my second fulltime job! I dont work in the office I am a full time employee of the Dept of Ag. The people in the office do the PR's but as I say they are overworked at this time.

IVCA will accept our licences in their races as was the case before. We will accept their licences in our races.

Our aim is to never let you down!