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Supervision & Substitution.

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    #32
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    theLuggage wrote: »
    As far as I remember you can't actually opt back in. I was told this when I opted out - to consider what I may be losing out on down the road. Don't regret it yet anyway!

    Can new staff opt in? Why they'd want to is a mystery, but I'm just wondering how that works.


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    #33
    theLuggage
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭theLuggage


    New staff I'd presume can, and actually knowing the Dept, may not even have a choice about it. Someone else may be able to clarify??


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    #34
    ViveLaVie
    Registered Users Posts: 984 ✭✭✭ViveLaVie


    If you are on a maternity leave contract and you do the S&S and you complete the required hours; and then you move to a different school on a different
    contract must you do S&S all over again?


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    #35
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,137 ✭✭✭✭km79


    katydid wrote: »
    Can new staff opt in? Why they'd want to is a mystery, but I'm just wondering how that works.

    new staff can't opt out!


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    #36
    seavill
    Registered Users Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭seavill


    Teachers can't sign up for S&S they are either in it or they have already paid to be out of it, there won't be any extra teachers to sign up (unless they are newly graduated which they dont actually have a choice they are already in it)


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    #37
    xtralong
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭xtralong


    Found the following on the ASTI website:

    "Teachers must be advised at the start of the school day whether they are required for their substitution rota period(s) for that day and therefore teachers are not required to be on call throughout the school day."

    Can anyone advise if this is the case for all teachers in all schools, i.e. TUI and non-union teachers?


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    #38
    implausible
    Registered Users Posts: 3,937 ✭✭✭implausible


    xtralong wrote:
    Can anyone advise if this is the case for all teachers in all schools, i.e. TUI and non-union teachers?

    Should be. We used to get a text at the start of every day saying if we're needed, now we check vsware.


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    #39
    xtralong
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭xtralong


    implausible wrote: »
    Should be. We used to get a text at the start of every day saying if we're needed, now we check vsware.

    Am I right in thinking that if you're not told you are needed in the morning that you don't have to remain in the school for your on call periods that day?


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    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,411 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Interesting. I thought you had to be on call I.e. Be in building somewhere. What happens when teacher at 11.30 needs to go him sick?


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    #41
    xtralong
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭xtralong


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Interesting. I thought you had to be on call I.e. Be in building somewhere. What happens when teacher at 11.30 needs to go him sick?

    Curious about this myself. Found the following further info. on the ASTI website:

    "There is a long standing agreement between ASTI and the management bodies that teachers must be told at the start of the school day whether they are required for their rota period(s) for that day."

    Wondering if this was just for ASTI teachers or applied to all teachers, can't find anything else about it in Dept. Circulars. For example, if a teacher is on call for substitution after their last timetabled class of the day and they haven't been informed that they are required to sub can they leave the school?


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    #42
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    TheDriver wrote: »
    Interesting. I thought you had to be on call I.e. Be in building somewhere. What happens when teacher at 11.30 needs to go him sick?


    ... what would happen if the on call teachers were all 'called upon' and another teacher needs to go?

    We used to sit in the staffroom waiting nervously by the phone for the whole on-call time, until it was decided that you had to be notified by the morning. I think that was due to a union agreement somewhere though.

    If there's a non-on-call teacher in the staffroom could they do it and get paid a substitution rate?


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    #43
    TheDriver
    Registered Users Posts: 12,411 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Only if they are not full time and only if they haven't opted out (unless its certified leave etc)


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    #44
    deiseindublin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭deiseindublin


    implausible wrote: »
    Should be. We used to get a text at the start of every day saying if we're needed, now we check vsware.
    Is that a memo on VSW? Beats checking noticeboards and missing it.


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    #45
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    deiseindublin wrote: »
    Is that a memo on VSW? Beats checking noticeboards and missing it.

    On yer VSW timetable or dashboard


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    #46
    solerina
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭solerina


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    On yer VSW timetable or dashboard

    Same here. It shows up in a different colour on VSware before the 9am class.


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    #47
    xtralong
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭xtralong


    solerina wrote: »
    Same here. It shows up in a different colour on VSware before the 9am class.

    So if you're not notified in the morning that you are needed to sub are you obliged to be in the school during your on call periods?


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    #48
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    xtralong wrote: »
    So if you're not notified in the morning that you are needed to sub are you obliged to be in the school during your on call periods?

    That I don't know.. technically no if you haven't been notified in time. they (DES) were trying to push for this a while ago... in that you were supposed to be on the grounds from school open to school close.


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    #49
    solerina
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭solerina


    xtralong wrote: »
    So if you're not notified in the morning that you are needed to sub are you obliged to be in the school during your on call periods?

    No, although I have been called during a class that wasn't on VS ware once or twice when it was needed...I suppose if I had left the building they couldn't have had an issue though !!


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    #50
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    solerina wrote: »
    No, although I have been called during a class that wasn't on VS ware once or twice when it was needed...I suppose if I had left the building they couldn't have had an issue though !!

    That would come under the category of 'doing someone a favour'... therefore consider yourself now 'owed a favour'.


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    #51
    solerina
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭solerina


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    That would come under the category of 'doing someone a favour'... therefore consider yourself now 'owed a favour'.

    Nope, it was a supervision class that hadn't previous been put up on vs ware, asked by Principal, doesn't happen very often to be honest.


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    #52
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    solerina wrote: »
    Nope, it was a supervision class that hadn't previous been put up on vs ware, asked by Principal, doesn't happen very often to be honest.

    Once you're not given proper notice then you don't have to do it!


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    #53
    Moody_mona
    Registered Users Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭Moody_mona


    It's not really how a school works either though, if someone rings in sick late, or goes home sick, or needs to leave to pick up a sick child etc. Personally I've no issue doing supervision with late notice since it'll count towards hours. I accept that I don't have to. The issue is you're not giving the department the two fingers when you refuse, you're just inconveniencing your colleagues.


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    #54
    solerina
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭solerina


    Gebgbegb wrote: »
    Once you're not given proper notice then you don't have to do it!

    I know that, it has only ever happened 2 or max 3 times and as I was sitting in the staff room correcting I didn't mind.


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