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Sick Pay Policy

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  • #52
    pow wow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    I find your repeated references to the 'psychology' of the relationship with an employer who doesn't pay sick pay quite odd - if you don't like the terms then don't accept the job.

    Just like you question the kind of employer who doesn't pay sick pay, I question the kind of employee who feels it's an egregious policy to not pay sick pay when the welfare state offers financial support in such circumstances and the employee was aware of the policy before they joined the company.

    I have worked with and managed employees who were convinced they gave 120%+ so the company 'owed' them, and it wasn't a pleasant experience as either colleague or manager.


  • #53
    LegacyUser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    pow wow wrote: »
    I find your repeated references to the 'psychology' of the relationship with an employer who doesn't pay sick pay quite odd - if you don't like the terms then don't accept the job.

    Just like you question the kind of employer who doesn't pay sick pay, I question the kind of employee who feels it's an egregious policy to not pay sick pay when the welfare state offers financial support in such circumstances and the employee was aware of the policy before they joined the company.

    I have worked with and managed employees who were convinced they gave 120%+ so the company 'owed' them, and it wasn't a pleasant experience as either colleague or manager.

    I only learned of this term after I gave in current notice and I just noticed it reading over contact at the weekend - that was my fault. I had never heard of a large company like this not paying sick pay so it didn't cross my mind. I get definitely like how a small corner shop or small business couldn't afford sick pay.

    You question the mind of an employee that questions sick pay not being paid - I question a large company that does not pay sick pay that is making millions and offers no benefits, but I had to do 3 interviews and I imagine will expect a lot from me. It appears other would support my opinion here and others would support your opinion.

    Also I don't think company owes me 120% at all - I believe sick pay is normal and that is my belief. Others have different beliefs and that's cool too - what can often be normal to one person is crazy to another!

    What i don't understand is some people getting on their high horse/all angry about it - this just a general internte chat and I was looking for a some opinions. I got them and I think thread should be closed now it at possible?!

    I am just going to bounce into my new job, leave this behind me, be positive and keep an eye out for a job that suits me more :)

    Cheers to all contributors.


  • #54
    TimeToShine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭TimeToShine


    pablo128 wrote: »
    A doctor will write a note for whatever you want in exchange for 50 euro. You would be naive to think otherwise.

    For 3 months? I'd love to see that. Do you have them write that you're getting your annual bout of Jaundice?

    A few days I would agree with you but 12 weeks is crazy.


  • #55
    No Pants
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,347 ✭✭✭No Pants


    pow wow wrote: »
    I find your repeated references to the 'psychology' of the relationship with an employer who doesn't pay sick pay quite odd - if you don't like the terms then don't accept the job.
    I think it's in reference to the psychological contract between employer and employee, it does exist and can be damaged or broken when expectations cannot match. However, you're correct as in this case, no such contract yet exists.


  • #56
    pow wow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    No Pants wrote: »
    I think it's in reference to the psychological contract between employer and employee, it does exist and can be damaged or broken when expectations cannot match. However, you're correct as in this case, no such contract yet exists.

    That's my point, it's not as if the OP is in situ as an employee and this has been thrust upon them - it's been made clear prior to there being any relationship. The OP obviously feels this isn't to their liking etc. but it's the reality of the offer they've been made. Given the stock the OP is placing in the psychological element, I'd think long and hard about getting into a relationship with that employer.


  • #57
    LegacyUser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    pow wow wrote: »
    That's my point, it's not as if the OP is in situ as an employee and this has been thrust upon them - it's been made clear prior to there being any relationship. The OP obviously feels this isn't to their liking etc. but it's the reality of the offer they've been made. Given the stock the OP is placing in the psychological element, I'd think long and hard about getting into a relationship with that employer.

    I agree 100% - I do place massive emphasis on the psyhcological contract - the unsaid things - I thought sick pay was one of these but boy was I wrong.

    Bit too late now but that is my lesson learnt.

    Time to move and I have arranged interview already before I start new role! BOOM!


  • #58
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    greendom wrote: »
    Sick days, if paid should be just that. Employers should demand a doctor's cert for an employee to qualify for sick leave. That would stop the situation mentioned at Tesco.

    You think a sick cert from a doctor would stop people taking false sick days? Thats very naive. Any employee can walk into a doctors and say "Theres a bad cold going around, I feel the onset of it and dont feel up to work for a few days" or "My back is sore and I need to rest it a while before I return to my job" and bingo, you have your cert. A lot of doctors out there love people like this. In, out, no hassle. Yes they probably know they are lying but they dont care. A few other doctors might ask a few awkward questions and a few more might even refuse or make it difficult by referring you further.

    But the majority of doctors will just sign you off. Thats a fact of life. Certs are proof that you require sick pay, they are not proof that you are actually sick..


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