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Irelands Mediterranean Migrant Crisis Response
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Plate said that rather than a “concrete statistic,” the number was an estimate based on the perceptions of authorities on the ground, including the German Federal Police, the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees, and Frontex, Europe’s border agency.
“It is an indication,” he said at a news conference in Berlin, of how hard it is to know the true nationalities of asylum seekers, many of whom arrive without passports
Interesting. Of course those who put 100% of their faith in the authorities to weed out these fraudsters given of course the states failure in the past, well I suppose 'this time' it will be different.
This is interesting...In an interview Friday with The Washington Post, de Maizière — a longtime ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel and one of the key officials dealing with the refugee crisis in Germany — said Europe needs to enact sweeping changes to its refugee system. He added that German attempts to aid refugees had been misinterpreted by migrants in far-flung nations such as Afghanistan as a green light to come to Europe
What did they expect tbh? A complete mess in the making.0 -
Mein Gott !!! :eek:....Coming from a hugely experienced politician,and Cabinet Minister this statement really deserves far more attention !!In an interview Friday with The Washington Post, de Maizière — a longtime ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel and one of the key officials dealing with the refugee crisis in Germany — said Europe needs to enact sweeping changes to its refugee system. He added that German attempts to aid refugees had been misinterpreted by migrants in far-flung nations such as Afghanistan as a green light to come to Europe
:rolleyes: MISINTERPRETED :rolleyes:
Is Minister Maiziére for real ?
Are he and Angela Merkel now suggesting that they abandoned a functional system and adopted this new response,"just for the craic lad's"...?
It's now looking as if the German Cabinet have quite a deal of explaining to do if they expect the remainder of Europe to buy into their,by now highly wobbly,predictions as to how this stuff will benefit Europe in the mid to long term.
This is now stuff of Father Ted proportions.....:o
Never has a Facepalm smiley been more required on Boards.ie !!!!Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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It now has become clear destroying Arab countries is not healthy for Europe. If you broke it you own it. Time for Europe to repair the damage caused by listening to unfriendly advise.:pac:0
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KingBrian2 wrote: »It now has become clear destroying Arab countries is not healthy for Europe. If you broke it you own it. Time for Europe to repair the damage caused by listening to unfriendly advise.:pac:
Do please tell us how "Europe" destroyed Arab countries. How did Ireland destroy Arab countries? How did Hungary destroy Arab countries? How did Croatia destroy Arab countries?0 -
Attempting to debate the Mediterranean Migrant Crisis on these Fora has become quite a Guerrilla tactic procedure,as each thread now appears to be locked down for various reasons,often at quite decisive points in the debates.
With this in mind,and although posting on the relative backwater of "Humanities" I find todays revelation of a new Irish Official Procedure in relation to refugee processing to be significant,for a number of reasons.
Whilst the article,under the byline of Maeve Sheehan,is comprehensive and unbiased,I note,yet again,the irrelevant and questionable use of a photo of yet another distressed young,allegedly Syrian child in a Jordanian refugee camp.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/new-garda-unit-sent-to-overseas-camps-to-interview-refugees-31561362.html
The basics of the piece are quite positive and hopefully showing evidence of a desire to thwart the business plans of the Human Traffickers who,thus far,have made ALL of the running in this "crisis".Gardai and up to 20 civil servants have been attached to a new unit in the Department of Justice set up last week to oversee the intake of 4,000 refugees to Ireland as the migration crisis deepens.
Of particular importance is the revelation that the GNIB/DoJ Task Force will be focusing on the Refugee Camps adjacent to Syria itself.The new migrant unit will be responsible for co-ordinating the selection of refugees from camps in Jordan, the Lebanon and Turkey, their transport and where to accommodate them in Ireland.
This is without doubt a sensible and fair approach and one which Ireland should steadfastly maintain,particularly in the face of "Official" imposed EU migrant quota's designed to save Germany's face in the wake of Chancellor Merkel's decisions.
However,with this in mind,we also see that some element of being seen to assist "poor oul Germany" is being maintained,out of political expediency I would imagine.They may also be selected from registration centres being set up by Germany and Austria on the continent. The department already sent two selection missions to the Lebanon in March and July this year to interview displaced Syrian and Iraqi families who wanted to come here.[/QUOTE]
Another notable element of some reasonableness and commonsense is the DoJ's earlier missions to The Lebanese camps focusing on those imgrants WHO WANTED TO COME HERE.
This factor alone,is I believe of substantial importance if Ireland is to have any hope of managing this German instigated crisis to suit IRELAND's particular needs,rather than Germany,France,Italy's or indeed any other EU member,none of whom have experienced a decade such as we have.Gardai from the Garda National Immigration Bureau will be involved in vetting the refugees before they are accepted, a process that could take months.
If this process is to have any chance of success,both for Ireland AND the Applicants,the Garda vetting has to be thorough and fair,a process which cannot be "fastracked",if it is to be fit for purpose.
This unavoidable delay will,doubtlessly,be seized on by Refugee Industry Activist groups,as evidence of Irelands cruel,oppressive,inhuman attitude to anybody foreign.Of the overall figure of 4,000 announced by the Government last Thursday, 520 are currently being resettled to Ireland under a previously agreed programme.
They were selected by staff from the Department of Justice's office for the promotion of migrant integration, working in conjunction with the UN high commissioner for refugees, who travels to refugee camps in places such as Lebanon to interview people of various nationalities.
I remain of the opinion that the originally agreed figure of 520 IS the sustainable and reasonable figure for present day Ireland.
It is clear that the DoJ's resources were being utilised quite sensibly in this,with the only downside being the lack of zero's in the big-figure,which Politicians became a bit fraught over in the face of a concerted Media driven campaign demanding ACTION to respond to the "crisis".
I contend that Ireland should have used it's Opt-Out,whilst pointing directly to it's already agreed extra numbers contained within the 520 and it's €600,000,000 Oveseas Aid Budget,maintained in the face of one of the largest financial collapses of any Developed Country.
Ireland,and it's people have NOTHING to be ashamed of in it's response to this Mediterranean Migrant Crisis.Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.
Charles Mackay (1812-1889)
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KingBrian2 wrote: »It now has become clear destroying Arab countries is not healthy for Europe. If you broke it you own it. Time for Europe to repair the damage caused by listening to unfriendly advise.:pac:
And what are their brothers in the culturally similar gulf Arab countries doing about it? Precisely zero despite their immense wealth.
Why?
Because this unresisted invasion is bringing Sunni Islam to Europe on a scale and with an ease that the Moors or Ottomans could only dream about. Allowing the faith to strengthen its foothold where it already exists and infect virgin territories through sheer numbers.
Hence, Saudi Arabia will not take "refugees" but will happy pay for the building of mosques in Europe to facilitate the expansion.
It is a valid point that foolish, immoral, illegal Western intervention has been a factor in making the ME the mess it is today. However, the thought that ordinary Europeans and small nations that had nothing to do with the interventions should now be made to suffer as a result and this is somehow justice is ludicrous.0 -
And what are their brothers in the culturally similar gulf Arab countries doing about it? Precisely zero despite their immense wealth. .
They are conservative xenophobic wahabi monarchies. They have little in common with Syria and most Syrians would avoid the place like the plague. They are also quite sectarian in nature which rules out Shia, Druze, Christian and others going there.Because this unresisted invasion is bringing Sunni Islam to Europe on a scale and with an ease that the Moors or Ottomans could only dream about. Allowing the faith to strengthen its foothold where it already exists and infect virgin territories through sheer numbers. .
This is not an "invasion". The people who are arriving are not a monolithic bloc of the same sect of Islam, or even all of the same degree of orthodoxy.
I find your use of the term "infected" in relation to human beings fleeing a war disturbing.Hence, Saudi Arabia will not take "refugees" but will happy pay for the building of mosques in Europe to facilitate the expansion. .
For the reasons mentioned above, nonsense............. However, the thought that ordinary Europeans and small nations that had nothing to do with the interventions should now be made to suffer as a result and this is somehow justice is ludicrous.
The numbers involved are, relatively, small. I'd suggest that the notion we're going to "suffer" is the more ludicrous one.0 -
And what are their brothers in the culturally similar gulf Arab countries doing about it? Precisely zero despite their immense wealth.
Why?
Because this unresisted invasion is bringing Sunni Islam to Europe on a scale and with an ease that the Moors or Ottomans could only dream about. Allowing the faith to strengthen its foothold where it already exists and infect virgin territories through sheer numbers.
Hence, Saudi Arabia will not take "refugees" but will happy pay for the building of mosques in Europe to facilitate the expansion.
It is a valid point that foolish, immoral, illegal Western intervention has been a factor in making the ME the mess it is today. However, the thought that ordinary Europeans and small nations that had nothing to do with the interventions should now be made to suffer as a result and this is somehow justice is ludicrous.
Muslims are not safe in Saudi Arabia that is why they come here and I notice not a lot of talk about Iraq. It has been mentioned on Boards that Iraqi's are flying out of Baghdad to Athens and onto European destinations. These countries are susceptible to the encroach of ISIS instead of backing off Europe needs to be advising Arab officials how to deal with security in their cities. Soft power can come to bear on these tense situations. Getting secular Arab nations working together.0 -
KingBrian2 wrote: »Muslims are not safe in Saudi Arabia that is why they come here and I notice not a lot of talk about Iraq. It has been mentioned on Boards that Iraqi's are flying out of Baghdad to Athens and onto European destinations. These countries are susceptible to the encroach of ISIS instead of backing off Europe needs to be advising Arab officials how to deal with security in their cities. Soft power can come to bear on these tense situations. Getting secular Arab nations working together.
How many of these are left? 1, maybe 2?0
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