Sherlock [ SPOILERS ]

humanji · 12-08-2010 11:41am

Kai wrote: »

It would have worked better if
Watson had kept the bomb jacket on and then Sherlock had pointed the gun at it instead!
Shooting it will kill them all anyway but if watson was wearing it at least it gives the cliffhanger an extra edge.

To be honest the first episode was great but it had major flaws and some plot holes. The 2nd and 3rd were a big step down. The ideas are good but it needs to be cut to 1 hour or they need to increase the complexity of the storylines. I liked the fact that holmes was a step ahead of everyone in the 1st episode but later on I didnt feel he was a step ahead using deduction but merely pulling abstract facts together which only he knew about.

And what the hell was the story with him not knowing the earth revolves around the sun but he knew about the
celestial body that appeared in the forged painting.
I get that they are trying to show that he only remembers the important facts but surely the rotation of the earth is not something he could afford to ignore. God help him when he tries to work out international timezones, changing seasons.....

Holmes in the book didn't know the earth went round the sun. It's just to show that it has no relevance to his work, and his work is all that matters to him.

pickarooney · 12-08-2010 11:58am

After two very good openign episodes, I thought this one was a terrible mess. It seemed to be about five plots sitting on top of one another and some completely random scenes (WTF was with the guy in Belarus?). I'm kind of glad it's over as I was rapidly losing interest and sympathy with the Watson character.

Kai · 12-08-2010 1:50pm

humanji wrote: »

Holmes in the book didn't know the earth went round the sun. It's just to show that it has no relevance to his work, and his work is all that matters to him.

Yea i suspected it was probably something from the books but the original Sherlock didn't understand mobile phones or the internet (of course because they did not exist yet). I can see the point they are making but that was too BIG a thing not to know. If he filters the information he tries to remember to that level then the fact he knew about an obscure comet/star (whatever it was) falls flat.

I'm over analyzing I know; but to me it stood out and appeared clunky.

12-08-2010 2:16pm

I watched all three episodes over the past weekend and have to say that it was rather disappointing. The first episode was fantastic fun, bright and breezy entertainment. unfortunately the second was rather poor, it felt like a 45 minute episode stretched to feature length. The ending was straight out of a cartoon. Episode 3 is where it really lost the plot, the manner in which he solved some of the crimes was ludicrous. A dead security guard killed by a European hitman means a painting is fake, not knowing that the earth moves around the sun yet discovering a rare meteor shower painted in the painting.

The less said about the truly dreadful ending the better, Moriarty has always been a figure who lurks in the shadows planning, not an overtly gay Irish twat in a suit too big for him. There was absolutely no reason for Moriarty to leave the room giving Sherlock time to remove the vest and then reappearing. If they wanted to end ona cliffhanger then surely the logical choice was pointing the gun at the vest while still on Watson.

Wreck · 12-08-2010 2:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Aaahhh.

Moriarty's voice was so bloody annoying!!

He sounds so like Graham Linehan of Father Ted, Black Books etc. that when you first hear him (off-screen) I was convinced that Linehan was playing him.

Anakin.S · 14-08-2010 12:19am

What really annoyed me was the fact the BBC only made 3 episodes. Its a fantastic show, really well written, with a great cast and the BBC only give it 3 episodes. Why don't they give it 12 episodes? (I'd love 24) and actually call it a series?

Typical BBC, the do every thing half assed, Dr. Who, Hustle, Spooks all could be legendary but are just good due to lack of episodes. I blame Fawlty Towers!!

14-08-2010 9:31am

The more I think about it, the more I realise that the casting for Moriarty was spot on. We're still talking about it - trying to figure out if that was Moriarty, complaining about the acting - and for a show that is going on hiatus, then that's something it needs.

I was expecting Moriarty to be the woman that works in the lab.

Richard Dower · 14-08-2010 11:39am

I suspect my theory will pan out....wait and see!

Hedman · 14-08-2010 11:35pm

Anakin.S wrote: »

What really annoyed me was the fact the BBC only made 3 episodes. Its a fantastic show, really well written, with a great cast and the BBC only give it 3 episodes. Why don't they give it 12 episodes? (I'd love 24) and actually call it a series?

Typical BBC, the do every thing half assed, Dr. Who, Hustle, Spooks all could be legendary but are just good due to lack of episodes. I blame Fawlty Towers!!

I actually like the idea of an initial 3 episode run as it gives the writers more freedom than they would have for a pilot episode, which this series essentially was.

I think your criticism of the BBC for being half assed is a bit harsh tbh. The BBC haven't got the resources financially to make these shows into a 24 episode run. They also have a hugely smaller pool of writers than American shows to bring in. I'd much rather quality than quantity.

For the next series i really hope Moffat takes over more of the writing duties or is more active in a series director role than this season. The first episode was really brilliant but the second just felt like a filler episode which would be fine if it was a 12 episode run but not in a 3 episode pilot.

Zeouterlimits · 16-08-2010 2:07pm

People don't like Moriarty's casting?!?

I don't think they could have done much better! Creepy, intelligent, malicious with an unusal ounce of charm.
They turn that wonderful scene from the Final Problem when Moriarty just shows up at 221B into such a good adaption...

Richard Dower · 16-08-2010 2:13pm

Did Sherlock and Watson have a gay relationship?....was Sherley addicted to drugs?, do you think maybe Sherlock WAS Moriarity?....multiple personality disorder?

qwertplaywert · 16-08-2010 5:29pm

laugh wrote: »

why did he leave and then just reappear back?

As previously mentioned, it was either a poor plot device, or a clue that Jim is taking his orders from someone else[ie when he left his supriorer told him to kill them], which would imply him being Moriarty is a red herring.

Have to say, the 2nd and 3rd episodes were not as good as the fantastic pilot, but overall , very good indeed. Shame it will be a long time before we see anymore!

LionelNashe · 16-08-2010 11:07pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

Did Sherlock and Watson have a gay relationship?....was Sherley addicted to drugs?, do you think maybe Sherlock WAS Moriarity?....multiple personality disorder?

I didn't get any hint of a gay relationship in the original stories, but Holmes does use opium or heroin or cocaine or something like that.

Hedman · 17-08-2010 1:43am

Richard Dower wrote: »

was Sherley addicted to drugs?,

He is serious, don't call him Sherley.

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Speedsie · 17-08-2010 1:09pm

In the books, Sherlock took both Morphine & Cocaine. This was not unusual in England at the time, and these addictive substances could be purchased almost everywhere! He took the drugs when he was bored.

The Don · 17-08-2010 4:01pm

I really liked the new take on Sherlock. It was well written and adapted for the most part and brought the characters across really well. The 1.5 hour format was a nice change from the norm and I didn't feel that they were dragging the stories out just to fit the time.

I'm also not fond of the casting for Moriarty and hope that he isn't the real Moriarty. He more than likely is the bomber and did poison the swimmer 20 years ago but the real Moriarty is using him to remain in the shadows and keep Holmes on his toes.

I can see season two opening with the snipers taking out the fake Moriarty so that the real Moriarty can play with Holmes some more.

Looking forward to season two regardless.

bonzodog2 · 20-08-2010 7:21pm

I just watched episodes 1 and 2 and enjoyed both. I had to come here to find the actor for Mycroft, as he wasn't mentioned in the credits on no.1 or on IMDB in the cast list.

aidan_walsh · 20-08-2010 7:25pm

bonzodog2 wrote: »

I just watched episodes 1 and 2 and enjoyed both. I had to come here to find the actor for Mycroft, as he wasn't mentioned in the credits on no.1 or on IMDB in the cast list.

Mark Gatiss, who co-created the series and wrote episode 3.

Richard Dower · 28-08-2010 12:41pm

OMG!...**UNAIRED PILOT**....anyone seen it yet?

Sherlock was announced as a single 60-minute drama production at the Edinburgh International Television Festival in August 2008, to be broadcast in Autumn 2009, with the intention of producing a full series should the pilot be successful. The BBC decided not to transmit the pilot, as is common industry practice, but commissioned three 90-minute episodes. On 10 August 2010, it was confirmed that Sherlock has been renewed for a second series.

Richard Dower · 29-08-2010 11:55pm

Moffat talks series 2: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s129/sherlock/news/a269479/moffat-sherlock-learns-to-be-hero.html

"Sherlock was yesterday recommissioned for three more stories, airing next year" - WTF!!!!!!!!

Only three episodes????????....what bullshiit is this?????

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s129/sherlock/news/a269018/bbcs-sherlock-to-return-in-2011.html

Sherlock has been recommissioned for a second series, it has been formally announced.

BBC One controller Jay Hunt confirmed today that the modern-day drama adaptation, which wowed viewers and critics, will return for three more 90-minute stories in autumn 2011.

^ so over a year to wait? :rolleyes:

Basq · 30-08-2010 12:18pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

Only three episodes????????....what bullshiit is this?????

Well.. it'll be 3 x 90 minute episodes. That'll do me.

That's 4 and a half hours.. most BBC dramas only run for 6 one-hour episodes a season (6 hours).

And of course taking into account how busy Moffatt is with his commitment to 'Who'.

pixelburp · 30-08-2010 12:22pm

3 episodes works for me.

Having been bombarded the last few years by American TV "events", I'm sick to death of 20-24 episode seasons; too often it's too little story, dragged across too long a season, with too little a pay-off.

3 feature-length episodes is neat, tidy and can tell a perfectly epic arc if needed

Orizio · 30-08-2010 1:24pm

10-12 episodes per season is ideal. Regarding BBC and Sherlock though, I think they are best off having 6 one hour episodes, as it stands I thought the three episodes were overlong and at times messy.

Richard Dower · 31-08-2010 8:10am

Just got through watching the unaired pilot, 55 mins....it's basically a condensed version of what was broadcast, the majority of the dialogue is identical in many respects. The whole subplot with Dr. Watson in the phonebox and meeting with Sherlock's brother is gone, also no mention of Moriarity or the fact the cabbie was hired by him.

The scenes with the police press conference are gone, in this pilot Sherlock works out much earlier it was the cabbie, and the cabbie brings Sherlock back to his own home for the showdown and pills.

All the actors are the same in both, overall what was broadcast was superior, it was much more stylised, locations were better, characterisation and dialogue fleshed out.

I can see why it wasn't used, but nice to see a somewhat alternate version.

ixoy · 04-09-2010 10:46pm

Just watched the second episode, which was okay (bit clichéd). What was interesting, to me, was when they were rifling through common books and picked up "Transitions" by Iain Banks. Just like it said on screen, the first word on page 19 is indeed cigarette. Nice attention to detail.

ixoy · 16-09-2010 11:08pm

I just watched the final episode... and I believe the casting for Moriarty was one of the worst I've ever seen. Yes it did seem like it was Graham Norton - I felt it was almost a Father Ted moment. Moriarty is aloof, working in the shadows. He's not some screeching, camp twat. Woeful moment - left a bad taste in my mouth for this series. I just hope it's a mis-direction.

Richard Dower · 19-10-2010 1:48am

http://filmreviewonline.com/2010/10/18/sherlock-mark-gatiss-gets-inspired/

Richard Dower · 10-04-2011 7:55pm

New details on series 2

Sherlock - New episodes will be based on Arthur Conan Doyle's stories "A Scandal in Bohemia", "The Hound of the Baskervilles" and "The Final Problem."

Basq · 10-04-2011 7:58pm

I still have the last episode Sky+'d on my hard drive to be watched.

I'm very suprised to hear they'll have time for the second season so soon with Martin Freeman's schedule for 'The Hobbit'.

humanji · 11-04-2011 9:41am

Richard Dower wrote: »

New details on series 2
Sherlock - New episodes will be based on Arthur Conan Doyle's stories "A Scandal in Bohemia", "The Hound of the Baskervilles" and "The Final Problem."

My favourite ones. Hurrah!

Basq wrote:

I'm very suprised to hear they'll have time for the second season so soon with Martin Freeman's schedule for 'The Hobbit'.

They've already been filming them for a while, haven't they?

pixelburp · 11-04-2011 9:46am

Interesting choices, although my first reaction was to groan at the thought of yet another retelling of the Baskervilles-doggy story. It really has been done to death at this stage, and a bit of an obvious & unoriginal choice. But hey, the proof of the pudding 'n all that ...

Mr E · 11-04-2011 10:00am

Basq wrote: »

I still have the last episode Sky+'d on my hard drive to be watched.

Ah Brian, that was the best one. One of the best cliffhanger endings of 2010.

Basq · 11-04-2011 10:07am

humanji wrote: »

They've already been filming them for a while, haven't they?

According to this (posted last week), they're rumoured to start filming next month.

Benedict Cumberbatch had been busy starring in Danny Boyle's Frankenstein play and that's still running til next weekend: http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/tickets/frankenstein-tickets-feature-3609.html

Mr E wrote: »

Ah Brian, that was the best one. One of the best cliffhanger endings of 2010.

Might give it a watch this evening so.

Skerries · 11-04-2011 11:49am

pixelburp wrote: »

Interesting choices, although my first reaction was to groan at the thought of yet another retelling of the Baskervilles-doggy story. It really has been done to death at this stage, and a bit of an obvious & unoriginal choice. But hey, the proof of the pudding 'n all that ...

yes but we haven't seen it done in decades so it is totally new to this generation
anyway a classics a classic

Richard Dower · 18-05-2011 8:17pm

Long article on season 2 with info, plot points etc. - expect spoilers:

http://www.vadvert.co.uk/entertainment/13194-bbc-ones-bafta-nominated-sherlock-begins-filming-second-series.html

liah · 18-05-2011 8:22pm

Don't wanna spoil anything for myself so I'm not going to read the article, but when's it meant to be airing? Loved the first three eps.

shanew · 20-07-2011 1:22pm

Series 1 of Sherlock is being rebroadcast... starting tonight on BBC1 @ 20:30

S.

Hal Emmerich · 20-07-2011 3:55pm

BBC1 at 20.30, it's well worth a watch if you haven't seen it, the first episode anyway, the other two...not so much, set in modern day London.

Series two must be on the way if they're repeating this now.

If you like Luther, you'll like this.

Biggins · 20-07-2011 5:02pm

Write-up on the new series: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2016767/Sherlock-Benedict-Cumberbatch-rushed-hospital-scenes-new-series.html

I'm looking forward to it.
I though all three parts were great in the first series - and I was very sceptical when I heard about this modern re-make first.
I was won over I'm delighted to say.

dr gonzo · 20-07-2011 8:48pm

Just flicked onto it because im a sherlock holmes fan and had heard good things, ive been completely sucked in, brilliantly done so far.

Can any give me a run down of what happens up to watson meeting holmes? ive read study in scarlet so im sure its similar but i hate missing the start of shows.

Biggins · 21-07-2011 2:25am

dr gonzo wrote: »

...Can any give me a run down of what happens up to watson meeting holmes?

In the TV series? (If memory serves me right)
You didn't miss must that would effect later story-lines.

Quick flashback scenes to Watson in army, getting injured in Afganistan (as in the original books as well), medic-vacueated out by chopper, recovery then meets Holmes through a friend who introduces them in a lab.

Richard Dower · 04-08-2011 6:05pm

Delayed until early 2012: http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1003843/sherlock_series_2_pushed_back_to_2012_transmission.html
Laura Pulver cast in S2: http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1002838/sherlock_series_2_casting_news.html

Basq · 04-08-2011 6:12pm

Delayed until 2012?

Gutted!

red dave · 04-08-2011 7:28pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

Delayed until early 2012: http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1003843/sherlock_series_2_pushed_back_to_2012_transmission.html
Laura Pulver cast in S2: http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1002838/sherlock_series_2_casting_news.html

That's a shame. So it will be 3 episodes in 2012

Wertz · 04-08-2011 8:22pm

Really enjoyed this the past few weeks...missed it the first time round cos it seemed a little gimmicky but gave it a chance this round for lack of anything else on at the time. Guy who played Holmes is a great actor (saw him in some dramatisation of Stephen Hawking the other night), not really a fan of Freeman but he was good in this...the guy as Moriarty was a surprise last night: Irish I take it, but not seen him in anything before. Dialogue was witty and fresh, but still managed to stick to the tone of what you'd expect from classic Holmes...also nicely shot and probably looked great in HD...they caught a lot of the London scenery in a very flattering way.
Anyway bit of a shock ending and then they say there's no follow up until next year? arrgggh

pixelburp · 04-08-2011 10:06pm

Basq wrote: »

Delayed until 2012?

Gutted!

Not surprising though? Martin Freeman is going to be involved with The Hobbit for the rest of the year at least I imagine, and it seems Benedict Cumberbatch (man I love saying that name!) is popping up in all sorts of things, bit of a hot prospect atm.

Basq · 09-08-2011 12:11pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Not surprising though? Martin Freeman is going to be involved with The Hobbit for the rest of the year at least I imagine, and it seems Benedict Cumberbatch (man I love saying that name!) is popping up in all sorts of things, bit of a hot prospect atm.

It's surprising enough actually.

They took a few months from filming 'The Hobbit' to allow cast and crew to focus on various things (filming isn't resuming until next month AFAIK). Freeman went to film 'Sherlock' so it'd definitely be in the later stages of filming right now (if it isn't already finished).

So a late 2011 release was definitely feasible.

MisterAnarchy · 10-08-2011 4:54pm

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ i personally think Jim is not Moriarty, but someone Moriarty hired to play him...as in an actor, i also think if this guy is the real Moriarty then it's a huge let down....the characterisation is horrid, he just does not eminate nemesis or a foe capable of defeating Holmes.

That last episode was going nicely up until the reveal of Moriarty where it jumped the shark.
The actor playing the part was completely wrong for the part,way too young and his voice,my God did he wander in off some pantomime stage ?
Very disappointing casting,appalling to say the least.

Btw Moriarty only appeared in two of the original short stories and Watson never saw his face .
Season 2 should be good as they are using 3 of the most famous short stories in it culminating with

The Final Problem.

Richard Dower · 10-08-2011 7:54pm

Filming on season 2 has been halted due to the riots: http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/08/sherlock-filming-halted-by-london-riots.html

Otacon · 11-08-2011 9:14am

Yet another reason to hate the rioters! Grrr

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