New Garda Uniform

TheNog · 12-01-2009 12:17pm

deadwood wrote: »

They were like "special" shoes, weren't they?

for special people

Eru · 12-01-2009 8:38pm

diverdriver wrote: »

I always think they look a bit scruffy.

Thank you! I have always said that, the colour reminds me of some dirty looking thing, why is it nor a solid blue instead of this blue with white mix?

westcoastboy · 12-01-2009 10:45pm

Ya, but was there any mention of been issued with new boots, or was it just uniform clothes you were measured for..I like the HAIX ones, although the Jollies are easier to shine.

ScubaDave · 13-01-2009 12:36am

No mention of any new boots!

source · 13-01-2009 12:41am

shine???? if they're not dirty you're not working. That's what i was told my first day by the super.

deadwood · 13-01-2009 3:08am

foinse wrote: »

shine???? if they're not dirty you're not working. That's what i was told my first day by the super.

Same with the trousers!

shakin · 13-01-2009 4:31pm

there seems to be big support for combats amongst the gardai on here, so whats the reason, is there need for more pockets? or would better quality trousers be good enough?

deadwood · 13-01-2009 7:26pm

shakin wrote: »

there seems to be big support for combats amongst the gardai on here, so whats the reason, is there need for more pockets? or would better quality trousers be good enough?

I think it's for practicality reasons.

Personally, i'm not too bothered about getting combat style trousers, but a more "canvass" type material with a wider waistband to accomodate the utility belt would suffice.

The uniform seems to be bought by appointing a committeeeeeeeee for each part to deliberate over a few years, who don't consult each other.Then some chiefs will decide which is the most cool and down with the kids and then buy the cheapest.

The "bomber" style jacket (modelled on Deadwoods ground-breaking confirmation suit in the early 80's) and the Farah shlacks have nothing to do with each other.

The shirt is made from recycled round-bale wrappers and they insist on giing me long-sleeved ones even though I never wear them.

The tie/napkin has a snazzy garda logo embroidered on it for no good reason - I liked the old one.

The boots are not meant to be polished and look scruffy. Again, they have nothing to do with the slacks - they would suit combat style. (It's a bit like wearing shoes with a tracksuit)

The hat's fine. If I wanted a baseball cap, i'll buy a Citroen Saxo.

So yes, combats, erm... sure.

djtechnics1210 · 13-01-2009 7:34pm

Bring back the original pants i say especially the winter pants.... the new "equivalent" ones are rubbish

treker · 13-01-2009 8:17pm

ScubaDave wrote: »

Hey All,

New patrol jacket - longer by about 8 inches with no elaticated base. A pullstring is in the jacket about navel level.

Dave

Does the utility belt need go over the middle of the new jacket now?

pa990 · 13-01-2009 8:36pm

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

Bring back the original pants i say especially the winter pants.... the new "equivalent" ones are rubbish

The 'Bull Wool' pants were brilliant.

Do the new pants have a Baton pocket.. i never checked when i was trying on the new uniform.

donvito99 · 13-01-2009 9:56pm

Evening Herald; August 12th 2008

The garda wardrobe is to be extended at a cost more than €12m, as the force prepares for a major makeover.
Gardai are to be provided with a new range of safety gear, including state-of-the-art body armour and stab vests as they up their efforts to stamp out violent crime.
[Apparently not, the only thing I can think of that falls under this category are the slash proof gloves]

A massive contract has been awarded to a Monaghan company who will now be charged with dressing the entire force for the next three years.
Included in the new attire will be a fashionable--:D-- new uniform, ballistic equipment and public order equipment.
[Needs IMO to be up to PSNI standard]

The contact, which was advertised by the Government Supplyies Agency, is worth €12.69m to James Boylan Safety Ltd.
The company, which operates from five office and warehouse bases around the country, will supply clothing until the end of 2011.
The firm already hold the contracts for other high profile customers including the Defence Forces.
Listed among the items are a “new look” uniform, including tunics, polo-shirts, T-shirts, rainsuits, shirts and trousers.
A new range of helmets and anti-stab vests--[There only a year old!]

The order also includes public order coveralls and riot shields.
Announcing the move, Junior Finance Minister Dr Martin Mansergh said that it was the “largest ever uniform contract”.
The last selection of uniforms cost around €5m and seven years ago it was just over €1m.
The exact design of the new uniform will not be revealed until later this year, but it is expected to be visible on the streets by next summer.

Funny to see that alot of things will be withdrawn. And the Public Order kit, will each Garda be issued with overalls or still just the helmet in the back of the locker?

Eru · 14-01-2009 2:06am

donvito99 wrote: »

Evening Herald; August 12th 2008

The garda wardrobe is to be extended at a cost more than €12m, as the force prepares for a major makeover.
Gardai are to be provided with a new range of safety gear, including state-of-the-art body armour and stab vests as they up their efforts to stamp out violent crime.
[Apparently not, the only thing I can think of that falls under this category are the slash proof gloves]

A massive contract has been awarded to a Monaghan company who will now be charged with dressing the entire force for the next three years.
Included in the new attire will be a fashionable--:D-- new uniform, ballistic equipment and public order equipment.
[Needs IMO to be up to PSNI standard]

The contact, which was advertised by the Government Supplyies Agency, is worth €12.69m to James Boylan Safety Ltd.
The company, which operates from five office and warehouse bases around the country, will supply clothing until the end of 2011.
The firm already hold the contracts for other high profile customers including the Defence Forces.
Listed among the items are a “new look” uniform, including tunics, polo-shirts, T-shirts, rainsuits, shirts and trousers.
A new range of helmets and anti-stab vests--[There only a year old!]

The order also includes public order coveralls and riot shields.
Announcing the move, Junior Finance Minister Dr Martin Mansergh said that it was the “largest ever uniform contract”.
The last selection of uniforms cost around €5m and seven years ago it was just over €1m.
The exact design of the new uniform will not be revealed until later this year, but it is expected to be visible on the streets by next summer.

Funny to see that alot of things will be withdrawn. And the Public Order kit, will each Garda be issued with overalls or still just the helmet in the back of the locker?

Today I got a box which included 2 new trousers which are a little tight but I choose to blame Christmas and the trousers being smaller! 4 shirts which are the exact same and 1 tie which is the exact same (cheap bastards, ties I need, I have about 20 shirts)

Never even got asked for measurements concerning a new improved uniform.

met-man · 14-01-2009 6:22am

You weren't honestly expecting money to be spent on ye were ya....sure do ya not know there's a recession on!

In all seriousness, AGS should have been kitted out properly when the going was good, the likelihood of this happening now is limited.

IMO the current uniform does not present well and looks less professional than the older one. When you factor in that spray is still being withheld and tetra has yet to be fully rolled out....is someone extracting the urine?

opti76 · 14-01-2009 12:27pm

met-man wrote: »

You weren't honestly expecting money to be spent on ye were ya....sure do ya not know there's a recession on!

In all seriousness, AGS should have been kitted out properly when the going was good, the likelihood of this happening now is limited.

IMO the current uniform does not present well and looks less professional than the older one. When you factor in that spray is still being withheld and tetra has yet to be fully rolled out....is someone extracting the urine?

if they were no doubt someone would suggest testing it.

ScubaDave · 14-01-2009 5:10pm

Heard from a reliable source today, (a rival company), that a contract has been awarded to a german company for the new issue of body armour to be issued to ALL members this year!

deadwood · 14-01-2009 6:25pm

ScubaDave wrote: »

Heard from a reliable source today, (a rival company), that a contract has been awarded to a german company for the new issue of body armour to be issued to ALL members this year!

Splendid.
At least they'll be here on time.

djtechnics1210 · 14-01-2009 6:35pm

This is the current german body armour......

But with Garda cutbacks and pay deductions this is what all members are being issued with, public order units will be the only members issued with the new helmet....

donvito99 · 14-01-2009 6:36pm

BTW, the body armour is only a year old [not the above of course], is it really that bad?

metman · 14-01-2009 7:04pm

djtechnics1210 wrote: »

This is the current german body armour......

Looks like it'll stop a rocket propelled grenade but not very pretty.

cushtac · 14-01-2009 7:07pm

The current armour is German. I wonder if it's a new batch from the same manufacturer?

djtechnics1210 · 14-01-2009 7:07pm

metman wrote: »

Looks like it'll stop a rocket propelled grenade but not very pretty.

Its not very gucci alright... its like an abraham tank wrapped around you by the looks of it:D

metman · 14-01-2009 7:07pm

A lot of forces here issue the Arktis rig that can be worn over the body armour. This would work well for AGS with the current vest, what do members think?

djtechnics1210 · 14-01-2009 7:10pm

I think it looks very professional, much better than equipment belts,

cushtac · 14-01-2009 7:12pm

Given that some of the brass felt that open baton holders & overt vests were too aggressive looking, I'd say there's little chance of them going with something like this.

Whitewater-AGS · 14-01-2009 9:55pm

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Today I got a box which included 2 new trousers which are a little tight but I choose to blame Christmas and the trousers being smaller! 4 shirts which are the exact same and 1 tie which is the exact same (cheap bastards, ties I need, I have about 20 shirts)

Never even got asked for measurements concerning a new improved uniform.

Dont worry that was just your yearly allocation of uniform which was supplied by the old company hunters, with regards measurements it should have come down on paper saying that you needed to fax hunters with any changes.

Hopefully someone will pass this info onto you next time

eroo · 14-01-2009 10:32pm

Could anybody tell me the length of the asp unextended, and the length of the asp pouch/holder?

I saw a Garda last week with what looked like asp and pouch on his belt and I thought it looked quite long and cumbersome. However, it may have been a very small torch but seeing as I don't know what ye have on yer belts..would anyone care to indulge my curiosity as to what it may have been?

metman · 14-01-2009 11:47pm

The standard issue 21 inch ASP is 7.75 inches when closed.

Holders vary, some overtly display the baton grip, some cover the grip entirely thus providing a low profile covert carry on the belt.

As regards what you saw on the belt? Difficult to say as there's so much rubbish Tackleberry types can stick on their belts!

On my duty belt I carry a 21 inch asp, my CS gas, speedkuffs, a second set of chain cuffs, a leatherman, a surefire torch and a pouch stuffed with latex gloves. Also on the belt is my D loop for my level 2 baton (public order straight Arnold baton that gets substituted for the asp depending on role) and a cuff key holder and radio klickfast attachment.

eroo · 15-01-2009 12:22am

Cheers metman...good to have you back too mate!

Eru · 15-01-2009 4:39am

metman wrote: »

The standard issue 21 inch ASP is 7.75 inches when closed.

Holders vary, some overtly display the baton grip, some cover the grip entirely thus providing a low profile covert carry on the belt.

As regards what you saw on the belt? Difficult to say as there's so much rubbish Tackleberry types can stick on their belts!

On my duty belt I carry a 21 inch asp, my CS gas, speedkuffs, a second set of chain cuffs, a leatherman, a surefire torch and a pouch stuffed with latex gloves. Also on the belt is my D loop for my level 2 baton (public order straight Arnold baton that gets substituted for the asp depending on role) and a cuff key holder and radio klickfast attachment.

Jeez, Hello Mr kettle! :P

Back to the subject, The Gear being German doesnt really impress me seeing as they dont wear body armour as standard in Germany (which I found a little weird but there you go)

the locust · 15-01-2009 6:19am

eroo wrote: »

Could anybody tell me the length of the asp unextended, and the length of the asp pouch/holder?

I saw a Garda last week with what looked like asp and pouch on his belt and I thought it looked quite long and cumbersome. However, it may have been a very small torch but seeing as I don't know what ye have on yer belts..would anyone care to indulge my curiosity as to what it may have been?

Could have been a 26 inch asp? You can get the 26inch which is an extra inch or more longer when closed than the 21inch.

Some guys change to the 26inch and continue to carry it in a sidebreak holster for the 21inch, instead of getting the 26inch sidebreak - it fits ok in the 21inch, but sticks out a lot! and will fall out easily or is easily grabbed by someone of you in a tussle.

the locust · 16-01-2009 7:34am

Ok i could be off on this. But i was talkin to our cig about the uniform (i haven't been fitted yet - next week) and he was sayin about all the gear - new fleece great coat etc... i moaned about not getting trousers with more pockets and he said - YES we are getting new trousers with more pockets, they will still look smart etc with crease but will have more pockets on the sides like snickers type work pants! and fresh covers for the stabvests. I hope its true and he's not messin with me!

source · 16-01-2009 12:28pm

the locust wrote: »

Ok i could be off on this. But i was talkin to our cig about the uniform (i haven't been fitted yet - next week) and he was sayin about all the gear - new fleece great coat etc... i moaned about not getting trousers with more pockets and he said - YES we are getting new trousers with more pockets, they will still look smart etc with crease but will have more pockets on the sides like snickers type work pants! and fresh covers for the stabvests. I hope its true and he's not messin with me!

i didn't see them when i was getting fitted.

ScubaDave · 16-01-2009 8:55pm

The trousers are staying EXACTLY the same! NO difference at all! The uniform company told me this! They said themselves that they didnt understand why we are not getting combats!

Dont forget, the brass dont know alot about this uniform either!

FGR · 17-01-2009 1:44am

He may have seen the SOC uniforms. Identical except with polo shirts and combats.

Those combats look pretty smart, too.

Eru · 17-01-2009 4:07am

My head hurts with so many rumours going around. We wont know until one of us is actually wearing the damn thing. I wouldnt take the word of either a cig or the company as gospel. Cig has no input in the subject and the guys fitting you are there just for that and have no input either.

foxtrot-oscar · 18-01-2009 6:01pm

I dont know why the garda brass have insited on holding onto the same impractical uniform.

The days of shirt and ties for operational work is long gone.

The work that you lads do is the same as all the emergency services, and which of them wear shirt and ties anymore? Take dfb for example navy shirt,tshirt and combats all good quality suff which takes the strain. They use common sense dont know why gardai cant do the same

TheNog · 18-01-2009 7:53pm

foxtrot-oscar wrote: »

I dont know why the garda brass have insited on holding onto the same impractical uniform.

The days of shirt and ties for operational work is long gone.

The work that you lads do is the same as all the emergency services, and which of them wear shirt and ties anymore? Take dfb for example navy shirt,tshirt and combats all good quality suff which takes the strain. They use common sense dont know why gardai cant do the same

Unfortunately public perception seems to be more important than practicality.

foxtrot-oscar · 18-01-2009 8:25pm

And thats your problem right there, €10 says the last time the people who think up the uniform, they were wearing tunics with brass buttons.

Almost as good as the new hse uniforms, giving the lads almost see through white shirts, smart one that

JonAnderton · 18-01-2009 8:54pm

What do you of the fact that the London School of Fashion were designing new kit for us... Apparently some of it is being trialed at the moment...

foxtrot-oscar · 18-01-2009 8:56pm

I sincerly hope you're taking the michael, saw some of it in the heraldAM, hi-vis poncho for the win lol

metman · 18-01-2009 9:20pm

No he isn't sadly. Loads of time and money was wasted in coming up with the following........:rolleyes:

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PR stunt and complete waste of money. I say bring back the firing squad.

JonAnderton · 18-01-2009 9:26pm

One of the best bits of clothing we're issued is the fieldsuit and fleece... we got that after an officer, who was also a keen hiker, bought one privatly and recommended it to the job... after months of it going through the 'evaluation' process it finally got passed and became issued kit to specialist units.

But... They just stuck a Met badge on the front of the fleece and left it as was.. There's no epaulettes or radio loops so officially can't be worn as an outer garment???

foxtrot-oscar · 18-01-2009 9:27pm

metman wrote: »

No he isn't sadly. Loads of time and money was wasted in coming up with the following........:rolleyes:

PR stunt and complete waste of money. I say bring back the firing squad.

Sigh

metman · 18-01-2009 9:29pm

JonAnderton wrote: »

But... They just stuck a Met badge on the front of the fleece and left it as was.. There's no epaulettes or radio loops so officially can't be worn as an outer garment???

Speaking of fleeces, have you noticed the ex-county mounty transfers bringing their fleeces to the Met? Its one of the better pieces of kit issued in the counties.

foxtrot-oscar · 18-01-2009 9:33pm

I though all uk forces had fleeces, dont tell my tv has decieved me!! You still wearing the oul NATO's are you?

JonAnderton · 18-01-2009 9:34pm

Yeah. The national police uniform, whilst frowned upon by the SMT's is becoming a standard bit of kit.. Fleeces have been issued to the bike squads but need to passed down the food chain. There's guy on my team from North Hants wears his as an inbetween shirt sleeves and the heavier karrimors

ps. If you get your hands on a spare Essex one, send it on...;)

Usually the bikes, firearms and dogs are the only ones to get the fieldsuits or fleeces...i'm affraid our county cousins are ahead of us there...

metman · 18-01-2009 9:52pm

JonAnderton wrote: »

Yeah. The national police uniform, whilst frowned upon by the SMT's is becoming a standard bit of kit.. Fleeces have been issued to the bike squads but need to passed down the food chain. There's guy on my team from North Hants wears his as an inbetween shirt sleeves and the heavier karrimors

ps. If you get your hands on a spare Essex one, send it on...;)

Usually the bikes, firearms and dogs are the only ones to get the fieldsuits or fleeces...i'm affraid our county cousins are ahead of us there...

My Guvnor on borough was ok with the ex-county lads wearing them on nights....but he was a transferee himself!

Let me know what size you are I'll see what I can do

JonAnderton · 18-01-2009 9:57pm

metman wrote: »

My Guvnor on borough was ok with the ex-county lads wearing them on nights....but he was a transferee himself!

Let me know what size you are I'll see what I can do

You taking orders!.... Good man...

F728 and uniform request winging it's way to you..

mightbepossible · 25-01-2009 12:37am

Got measured up myself the last day, fleece jacket not as good as the last supplier, thought the patrol jacket is way too long and only one T-Shirt will be given out.. So im told..Anyway expect delays in recieving the new gear, most likely wont be around come june/july, which will most likely be supplied around november at the earliest.

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