Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

ProudDUB · 25-04-2015 3:18pm

Yeah sorry, leap probably wasn't the best choice of word there. My point was that counties who have an eye on still being involved in the AI series from late July onwards, sometimes don't mind playing more games earlier in the year at Croker, if circumstances warrant it, as its good preparation for playing there in Aug/Sep.

RoscommonTom · 25-04-2015 4:17pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Other counties have done it, when their own ground wasn't available, so it's not pure rubbish. I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility. There is nothing at all to stop the Roscommon co board from deciding to do it too, if circumstances warranted it. It's not money for the GAA btw. It's money straight into the coffers of the counties involved, which is a different thing entirely.

Also, would the co board, the players and mgt really prefer to play games in Tuam or Carrick, when the offer of a freebie at Croker is on the table? It's not the greatest way to prepare for possible big games there later in the year. The likes of Donegal and Kerry leap at the offer of a freebie at Croker every chance they get & they haven't done too badly out of all the experience playing there.

and what about the cost of fellas having to travel the whole way from ros above to dublin for what is meant to be a home game, jacks get to play most of their games at home should ask them to play more in the country

Syferus · 25-04-2015 7:02pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

who do people see starting tomorrow?

murray i assume will fill in for mcdermott at corner back. higgins might start in midfield (though i think its too early but whatever). there are two spots in half-forward open because kelly certainly didn't do enough last time in mullingar to start and neither did healy. enda smith looks like he needs the rest of the year off going by his performances in the last two under 21 games.

1. o'malley
2. murray
3. carty
4. collins
5. keenan
6. niall daly
7. cafferkey
8. cathal shine
9. higgins
10. conor daly
11. ?
12. ?
13. cregg
14. senan kilbride
15. diarmuid murtagh

Healy did plenty. Looks a good player but has picked up a few knocks, the newest of which will probably be the only reason he doesn't start at 11 tomorrow if it comes to that.

I also thought Kelly did well against what was a limited Westmeath team. Higgins came on for the second half as much to get him match fit as anything, midfield was not the problem in the first half in Mullingar.

Keenan likely out with an injury.

yabadabado · 26-04-2015 11:29am

RoscommonTom wrote: »

and what about the cost of fellas having to travel the whole way from ros above to dublin for what is meant to be a home game, jacks get to play most of their games at home should ask them to play more in the country

Any chance you can stop posting. Retarted stuff.

Lt J.R. Bell · 26-04-2015 2:34pm

Cathal Clegg is playing Like a donkey at the moment. Promising thing is that there are plenty of scoring opportunities. Should be a head by 4 by now.

STB. · 26-04-2015 3:00pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

and what about the cost of fellas having to travel the whole way from ros above to dublin for what is meant to be a home game, jacks get to play most of their games at home should ask them to play more in the country

You either want to play on the big stage or you dont. You cannot have it both ways. Home game ? This is a League Final.

I'd say the Dubs have time for another pint or so.

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DDC1990 · 26-04-2015 3:19pm

Deegan is such a bad referee.

The Red Card was very soft. Now he's gone evening things up and Roscommon can't buy a free.

A Down player throws a boot into Creggd head and nothing is given.

Then the Black card is the wrong decision. Yellow but not even close to "deliberately pulling the man down". He pulled the Jersey and the down fella threw himself to the ground.

Hope ye do it. Better footballers.

DDC1990 · 26-04-2015 3:38pm

Congrats lads.

Ye look a nice team. Looking forward to playing ye next year whether it's in Ros or In Kerry.

Lt J.R. Bell · 26-04-2015 3:42pm

Next step, The Nestor Cup (cross fingers)

Lt J.R. Bell · 26-04-2015 3:43pm

DDC1990 wrote: »

Deegan is such a bad referee.

The Red Card was very soft. Now he's gone evening things up and Roscommon can't buy a free.

A Down player throws a boot into Creggd head and nothing is given.

Then the Black card is the wrong decision. Yellow but not even close to "deliberately pulling the man down". He pulled the Jersey and the down fella threw himself to the ground.

Hope ye do it. Better footballers.

I thought we got a few soft ones at the start. After the red card, that was always going to be black.

Cathal Shine had a fine game, not just the fielding but his distribution was spot on

Syferus · 26-04-2015 8:05pm

Who'd have thought coming out of a frozen Kiltoom in early February after a dour draw against our fellow D3 refugees Cavan that we'd be in Croke Park winning the Division 2 title, and comfortably at that.

Really been a wonderful Spring for Roscommon football, even with the bitter disappointment of last weekend. Roll on the summer.

RoscommonTom · 26-04-2015 9:30pm

yabadabado wrote: »

Any chance you can stop posting. Retarted stuff.

your no brain box yourself, you cant even spell

Comic Book Guy · 26-04-2015 9:42pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

your no brain box yourself, you cant even spell

# irony!

Great achievement by team and management, today was the icing on the cake to the campaign. Nice confidence builder for the summer.

Major improvement in squad depth and quality since Evans has started, look at the players that didn't start today but was also good to see he is well prepared to throw in lads like Connolly purely on performances in training.

Any word on Brian Murtagh's injury?

nice_guy80 · 26-04-2015 11:29pm

Great win.

Cian Connolly is worth his place as he's very intelligent on the ball and creates space for others.

ProudDUB · 27-04-2015 12:08am

RoscommonTom wrote: »

and what about the cost of fellas having to travel the whole way from ros above to dublin for what is meant to be a home game, jacks get to play most of their games at home should ask them to play more in the country

Sigh....this isn't a Dubs vs Rossies thing, you know? I was just offering up a possibility as to what may happen, if your county ground is out of commission for next years league, based on what has happened in previous years. The decision will remain with the Roscommon Co Board and Roscommon management. Neither the GAA nor the evil Dubs, are going to make you play anywhere that you don't want to. (We only do that to counties we don't like.... like Mayo.

)

Your manager was just on League Sunday talking about the importance of his lads getting valuable experience playing & winning games at Croke Park. He said that it builds confidence for playing big games there later on, against the stronger counties. You don't get that kind of confidence playing games in Tuam or Carrick, even if they are more convenient for spectators to get to. Inter country managers know that, hence their willingness to play freebie games at CP, if the opportunity allows it. I honestly couldn't care less where we play you next year, but I'd say that your manager does. He's a Kerryman. They know a thing or two about this kind of stuff.

Congrats on the win today btw.

Lt J.R. Bell · 27-04-2015 7:47am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Sigh....this isn't a Dubs vs Rossies thing, you know? I was just offering up a possibility as to what may happen, if your county ground is out of commission for next years league, based on what has happened in previous years. The decision will remain with the Roscommon Co Board and Roscommon management. Neither the GAA nor the evil Dubs, are going to make you play anywhere that you don't want to. (We only do that to counties we don't like.... like Mayo. )

Your manager was just on League Sunday talking about the importance of his lads getting valuable experience playing & winning games at Croke Park. He said that it builds confidence for playing big games there later on, against the stronger counties. You don't get that kind of confidence playing games in Tuam or Carrick, even if they are more convenient for spectators to get to. Inter country managers know that, hence their willingness to play freebie games at CP, if the opportunity allows it. I honestly couldn't care less where we play you next year, but I'd say that your manager does. He's a Kerryman. They know a thing or two about this kind of stuff.

Congrats on the win today btw.

Croke Park will not open up for a League game between Roscommon against a team other than Dublin. It wouldn't get a crowd. Not economicinal. Would do well to get half a section of the Hogan Stand full. Sure, they are starting to send some Leinster championship games down to the provincial stadiums in Tullamore, Port Laoise and even Mullingar.

Roscommon wouldn't be stuck for alternatives. Kiltoom has done them alright for years. Hell, for a period, when Tuam couldn't be used Galway would played some league games in Ballinasloe, a ground more known for the Hurling

Parnell Park Dublin, would be more likely offered than Croker. There is also Mullingar as an alertantive

nice_guy80 · 27-04-2015 8:02am

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Croke Park will not open up for a League game between Roscommon against a team other than Dublin. It wouldn't get a crowd. Not economicinal. Would do well to get half a section of the Hogan Stand full. Sure, they are starting to send some Leinster championship games down to the provincial stadiums in Tullamore, Port Laoise and even Mullingar.

Roscommon wouldn't be stuck for alternatives. Kiltoom has done them alright for years. Hell, for a period, when Tuam couldn't be used Galway would played some league games in Ballinasloe, a ground more known for the Hurling

Parnell Park Dublin, would be more likely offered than Croker. There is also Mullingar as an alertantive

Carrick and Longford too

Lt J.R. Bell · 27-04-2015 8:12am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Carrick and Longford too

That would be a serious breach of human rights. You should never expect people to grace Longford lol. Carrick? Meh we are not that stuck.

yabadabado · 27-04-2015 1:48pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

your no brain box yourself, you cant even spell

My point still stands.Some of the stuff you post on this thread is ****ing idiotic.

ProudDUB · 27-04-2015 1:51pm

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Croke Park will not open up for a League game between Roscommon against a team other than Dublin. It wouldn't get a crowd. Not economicinal. Would do well to get half a section of the Hogan Stand full. Sure, they are starting to send some Leinster championship games down to the provincial stadiums in Tullamore, Port Laoise and even Mullingar.

Roscommon wouldn't be stuck for alternatives. Kiltoom has done them alright for years. Hell, for a period, when Tuam couldn't be used Galway would played some league games in Ballinasloe, a ground more known for the Hurling

Parnell Park Dublin, would be more likely offered than Croker. There is also Mullingar as an alertantive

I never said that stand alone Roscommon games would or should be held at Croke Park. I said that a Roscommon vs Whoever game could be on before a Dubs vs Whoever game, as part of a double header. It has happened before, with other counties.

Lt J.R. Bell · 27-04-2015 1:55pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

I never said that stand alone Roscommon games would or should be held at Croke Park. I said that a Roscommon vs Whoever game could be on before a Dubs vs Whoever game, as part of a double header. It has happened before, with other counties.

Other counties from Connacht or other counties who did not compete in the semis the season before?

ProudDUB · 27-04-2015 2:09pm

Kildare did it. They didn't make the semis the year before.

Lt J.R. Bell · 27-04-2015 2:47pm

ProudDUB wrote: »

Kildare did it. They didn't make the semis the year before.

Suffering sweet Jesus and all that's holy. Kildare is a glorified satellite town of Dublin. Dublins bitch, a border County

They more or less play all of their Championship games in Dublin

RoscommonTom · 27-04-2015 3:52pm

yabadabado wrote: »

My point still stands.Some of the stuff you post on this thread is ****ing idiotic.

well agree to differ, a lot of the stuff you write is pure rubbish,

RoscommonTom · 27-04-2015 3:54pm

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Suffering sweet Jesus and all that's holy. Kildare is a glorified satellite town of Dublin. Dublins bitch, a border County

They more or less play all of their Championship games in Dublin

exactly, a bit of sense at last, the cost for supporters to have to go above to dublin for a home match and then the extra costs for the team like bus and hotel and the like, it would be pure daft, some fella said that the Hyde is not closing till the year after next anyway , hopefully we are still in the division one at that stage

Lt J.R. Bell · 27-04-2015 5:01pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

exactly, a bit of sense at last, the cost for supporters to have to go above to dublin for a home match and then the extra costs for the team like bus and hotel and the like, it would be pure daft, some fella said that the Hyde is not closing till the year after next anyway , hopefully we are still in the division one at that stage

Ah, that con man man wants us to be going up to that Big Schmoke and spend our hard earned money in their "shaps" and buying their TK red and chips and steak. Chancers they are. Enticing us to be spending our money on some mad notion that it would be good for our footballers, experience and all (experience of getting the ****e beat out of us stick to home grounds, might have a chance then)

Kildare have zero supporters, and it has no respect for itself. Let them off to a foreign county.

In order to stay in Division 1 we need all the help we can get, including proper home ground.

yabadabado · 27-04-2015 5:12pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

well agree to differ, a lot of the stuff you write is pure rubbish,

Examples please.

RoscommonTom · 27-04-2015 6:40pm

yabadabado wrote: »

Examples please.

get off now trying to start a scrap, nobody wants to be reading it, go away and do your lessons like a good lad, pure rubbish

yabadabado · 27-04-2015 6:44pm

RoscommonTom wrote: »

get off now trying to start a scrap, nobody wants to be reading it, go away and do your lessons like a good lad, pure rubbish

Good lad .Very original.
Not trying to start an argument but if you write something you should be willing to back it up.

nice_guy80 · 27-04-2015 9:38pm

After watching it again, Cathal Cregg won't keep his place on that team

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 28-04-2015 12:32am

To be fair to Cregg, he was asked to do a thankless job yesterday, coming deep to link the play between our backs and Senan Kilbride et al. The fact that the Down lads were all over him kept him quiet and he got more than his fair share of rough treatment is testament to how highly he is thought of. He played a similar role in the first half of the game against Laois recently and didn't look up to much but rattled 3 or 4 lovely scores off in the second half of that game when he was let loose in the FF line. To suggest that he's not good enough is way off the mark IMHO.

nice_guy80 · 28-04-2015 8:04am

Cregg carries the ball into contact too much, is too loose with the ball and generally doesn't do enough with it imho

Syferus · 28-04-2015 10:08am

Generally he's been one of the best players on the team for the last six, seven years. He's proven his ability over the course of many years. Had a poor performance on Sunday but you're going way overboard on him niceguy80. He rescued us in the first Down game and that performance probably resulted in the special treatment he received on Sunday. Still was wasteful with the ball.

Lt J.R. Bell · 28-04-2015 10:40am

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

To be fair to Cregg, he was asked to do a thankless job yesterday, coming deep to link the play between our backs and Senan Kilbride et al. The fact that the Down lads were all over him kept him quiet and he got more than his fair share of rough treatment is testament to how highly he is thought of. He played a similar role in the first half of the game against Laois recently and didn't look up to much but rattled 3 or 4 lovely scores off in the second half of that game when he was let loose in the FF line. To suggest that he's not good enough is way off the mark IMHO.

Cregg is not a a full forward. He missed a sitter of a goal. I remember him in the league final last year against Cavan as well, in the full forward line. Awful he was. Pure donkey

In fact, his best work in the game was when he moved to the half forward line. The guy is a a half forward. A work horse and brilliant for linking the midfield and full forwards. Not a scorer though. Still have a vital role to play though.

TimRiggins · 28-04-2015 5:46pm

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Cregg is not a a full forward. He missed a sitter of a goal. I remember him in the league final last year against Cavan as well, in the full forward line. Awful he was. Pure donkey

In fact, his best work in the game was when he moved to the half forward line. The guy is a a half forward. A work horse and brilliant for linking the midfield and full forwards. Not a scorer though. Still have a vital role to play though.

People have very very short memories. Cregg had a great league campaign for us, remember the 6 points he kicked v Kildare? or the 3 points he kicked and wonderful display he gave against Down in the first game? or the vital 1-1 he scored against Meath in a game which really gave us the platform to get promoted?

Some ****e gets posted on here and in the other forums about Roscommon football but calling one of our best players now and over the last 6-7 years a donkey is just spouting ****e of the highest order

Santa Cruz · 28-04-2015 8:15pm

One positive from last Sunday for Ross is that they had the confidence to take off players, one who had scored 5 points and another who scored goal and 2. Vote of confidence in a panel

Lt J.R. Bell · 29-04-2015 8:23am

TimRiggins wrote: »

People have very very short memories. Cregg had a great league campaign for us, remember the 6 points he kicked v Kildare? or the 3 points he kicked and wonderful display he gave against Down in the first game? or the vital 1-1 he scored against Meath in a game which really gave us the platform to get promoted?

Some ****e gets posted on here and in the other forums about Roscommon football but calling one of our best players now and over the last 6-7 years a donkey is just spouting ****e of the highest order

Until he was moved away from the full forward line, where he does his best work (one of the finest as well) he was a donkey last Sunday. Carrying the ball into tackles and turning it over, which he has a habit of doing, is donkey work.

Syferus · 29-04-2015 12:43pm

Santa Cruz wrote: »

One positive from last Sunday for Ross is that they had the confidence to take off players, one who had scored 5 points and another who scored goal and 2. Vote of confidence in a panel

Most of players that were coming on we're the usual featured players. It's hard not to have confidence in players like the young Murtagh and Harney.

Connolly really put himself into contention for championship time on Sunday though.

rossie1977 · 29-04-2015 3:31pm

at this stage probably 13 players are certain starters on the team if they are fit

in defence murray and stack can fill in if needed but the back 6 and goalkeeper are already set in place. we are very light (numbers wise) in midfield so not sure what we would do if higgins and especially cathal shine got injured (or both) during the championship.

up front there are a number of guys fighting over 2 starting spots. donie smith, donie shine, cian connolly, enda smith, ciaran murtagh. being one of the few senior players on the panel i can't see cathal cregg being dropped especially considering he is the only one of the forwards that can defend if the need be. cregg can be very frustrating though, he just turned 28 and needs to be a leader on the team...something he really hasn't done at championship level yet.

TimRiggins · 29-04-2015 4:46pm

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Until he was moved away from the full forward line, where he does his best work (one of the finest as well) he was a donkey last Sunday. Carrying the ball into tackles and turning it over, which he has a habit of doing, is donkey work.

Who the **** do you think you are calling a player who sacrifices the best years of his life a donkey, no matter what he does on the pitch

Lt J.R. Bell · 29-04-2015 5:19pm

TimRiggins wrote: »

Who the **** do you think you are calling a player who sacrifices the best years of his life a donkey, no matter what he does on the pitch

Nothing in what you said in the above highlighted statement , takes away the fact that he played like a donkey the last day, and is not suited to the full forward line. Because he is a work horse, his best position, is and always has been in the half forward line

You are clearly taking this personal, and getting thick. When you open your eyes, I clearly stated that he is one of the best half forwards around!!! Secondly, is said he "played" like a donkey. I never said that he always plays like a donkey

Who the **** do I think I am? Eh, someone who pays a good bit of money travelling to watch them play on a regular basis ! League and Championship

Waffling about sacrifice doesn't cut mustard ! You've lost the argument when you resort to that

Plenty of players sacrifice, but are still ****! Not saying Cregg is, but, he was **** for most of Sunday's game when in the full forward area, and its not the first time! Donie Shine has no pace and is basically in the team for place kicking (another bloody Derek Duggan), he did more in those few minutes on , in the full forward line than Cathal (different story when Cathal moved to his best position) He was non existent , again, not the first time when in Croke Park. But for Kilbride, they may have lost. Not good for the supposed leader of the squad.

You are not worth talking too. You have your view, I have mine; it is clear that you haven't the remotes bit of nouce to discuss something without crying

TimRiggins · 29-04-2015 5:34pm

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Nothing in what you said in the above highlighted statement , takes away the fact that he played like a donkey the last day, and is not suited to the full forward line. Because he is a work horse, his best position, is and always has been in the half forward line

You are clearly taking this personal, and getting thick. When you open your eyes, I clearly stated that he is one of the best half forwards around!!! Secondly, is said he "played" like a donkey. I never said that he always plays like a donkey

Who the **** do I think I am? Eh, someone who pays a good bit of money travelling to watch them play on a regular basis ! League and Championship

Waffling about sacrifice doesn't cut mustard ! You've lost the argument when you resort to that

Plenty of players sacrifice, but are still ****! Not saying Cregg is, but, he was **** for most of Sunday's game when in the full forward area, and its not the first time! Donie Shine has no pace and is basically in the team for place kicking (another bloody Derek Duggan), he did more in those few minutes on , in the full forward line than Cathal (different story when Cathal moved to his best position) He was non existent , again, not the first time when in Croke Park. But for Kilbride, they may have lost. Not good for the supposed leader of the squad.

You are not worth talking too. You have your view, I have mine; it is clear that you haven't the remotes bit of nouce to discuss something without crying

No, its that I have abit of respect for the players rather than resort to name calling them on the internet. Would you call him a donkey to his face?

And in saying that, He's had games in the last 2 years where he has looked like a world beater in the full forward line. He didn't have his best day on Sunday but we slowed the play down along the 40m line and used the handpass abit too much which didn't suit him at all.

With him and Senan in the full forward line there has been several occasions where Cregg has scored more then Senan in the league campaign.

And anyway, You say I lost this so called argument so I don't even know why i'm replying. We all pay money and don't feel the need to slate the players after he played a huge part of our succesfull league campaign. I suppose you were on Stolensheep writing Nally off after the Laois game too?

Jeju · 29-04-2015 10:37pm

Cregg 9th top scorer in Div 2 with 2-16. He had an off day which is possible for any player, playing against a 13 man defence, but others on the team stepped up to the mark, just like Cregg did in previous matches.

Syferus · 30-04-2015 12:02am

rossie1977 wrote: »

at this stage probably 13 players are certain starters on the team if they are fit

in defence murray and stack can fill in if needed but the back 6 and goalkeeper are already set in place. we are very light (numbers wise) in midfield so not sure what we would do if higgins and especially cathal shine got injured (or both) during the championship.

up front there are a number of guys fighting over 2 starting spots. donie smith, donie shine, cian connolly, enda smith, ciaran murtagh. being one of the few senior players on the panel i can't see cathal cregg being dropped especially considering he is the only one of the forwards that can defend if the need be. cregg can be very frustrating though, he just turned 28 and needs to be a leader on the team...something he really hasn't done at championship level yet.

Come on man. The days when everyone around Cregg and Seanie crumbled and they kept fighting until the final minute would fill a novel at this stage. Now they have players around them that mean they don't have to do far more work than they should have to do. The team has a lot of players who show good leadership and missing one or two of the key men no longer means a death sentence for the team - happy days.

I remember him taking an absolute battering from Armagh in 2012 and he still dragged us over the line that day. Leadership has never been Cregg's problem. Decision-making with the ball in hand would be the big thing you could be critical of at times.

Cregg is no 'donkey' in terms of scoring either, but he is very streaky and can score four or five points one day and none the next. A lot of it has to do with what he's tasked with doing in a given game too.

ProudDUB · 30-04-2015 11:22pm

Lt J.R. Bell wrote: »

Suffering sweet Jesus and all that's holy. Kildare is a glorified satellite town of Dublin. Dublins bitch, a border County

They more or less play all of their Championship games in Dublin

Lord above. Such nastiness and it's only April....

As previously stated, a couple of years, ago Kerry moved one of their home league games to Croke Park. And they did it of their own free will. No one made them do it. Are they our bitch too? I'd certainly like to think so. Why don't you ask Kieran Donaghy that? I'll hold your coat. :rolleyes:

nice_guy80 · 01-05-2015 12:07am

ProudDUB wrote: »

Lord above. Such nastiness and it's only April....

As previously stated, a couple of years, ago Kerry moved one of their home league games to Croke Park. And they did it of their own free will. No one made them do it. Are they our bitch too? I'd certainly like to think so. Why don't you ask Kieran Donaghy that? I'll hold your coat. :rolleyes:

When was that?
The last time Dublin played down the country they barely got out of Longford with a two point victory.

ProudDUB · 01-05-2015 12:13am

2012. They were nice enough to come up to Dublin to clap us onto the pitch, after our AI victory over them the year before. Kerrymen. A great bunch of lads.

No need to extoll the virtues of playing in Lovely Longford btw. I'd love it if we played more games around the country.

yabadabado · 01-05-2015 7:30am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

When was that?
The last time Dublin played down the country they barely got out of Longford with a two point victory.

I don't think you read his post as he was talking about Kerry playing in CP.
BTW lads ye do know Dublin often play league games outside of CP and I think that was the original argument, league games not championship.

nice_guy80 · 01-05-2015 8:00am

league games don't count really.
every team has to play away games

yabadabado · 01-05-2015 8:30am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

league games don't count really.
every team has to play away games

I agree but wasn't the original argument about where Ros play league games when the Hyde is renovated?

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