NFL DRAFT 2012

matthew8 · 27-02-2012 8:59pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

6'1", 248lbs (overweight), 4.93 40 yard dash, Didn't take part in the bench press. Small arms too but I forget the exact measurement. He was phenomenal in 2010, was okay for the first half of 2011, things went downhill towards the end of the year (resulted in him getting benched). I thought a good combine would salvage a first round pick or early 2nd, but showing up out of shape and running that slow is just pathetic. Let's just say his interviews won't save him, he's already blamed as many people as he can for his poor year.

In a way I'm happy because now the Ravens should draft an OL in the 1st round rather than Burflict.

JaMarcus Hustle · 27-02-2012 9:07pm

God, his second run was 5.10.

mikemac1 · 27-02-2012 9:14pm

matthew8 wrote: »

In a way I'm happy because now the Ravens should draft an OL in the 1st round rather than Burflict.

Give me Peter Konz, center, Wisconsin

matthew8 · 27-02-2012 9:21pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

God, his second run was 5.10.

Burflict? Sounds terrible. But I don't know how fast that is. What would that translate to on a 100m track? 14 seconds?

mikemac1 wrote: »

Give me Peter Konz, center, Wisconsin

I pay no attention to non-NFL football. What odds would you give on him being fully ready to start in 2013?

Chardee MacDennis · 27-02-2012 9:23pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Dontari Poe, a 6'4", 346lbs defensive tackle ran a faster 40 than Vontaze Burfict. Burfict is instantly out of the first 3 rounds after his disgraceful weekend. Such a shame, was a huge fan of his when he looked like a sure fire 1st rounder after his 2010 season.

An 8'9" broad jump and just under 30" vert, wtf...

Itssoeasy · 27-02-2012 9:25pm

I wonder if rich eisen will beat 6.18 in the 40 this year ?

Chardee MacDennis · 27-02-2012 9:28pm

JohnnyRyan99 wrote: »

Just watched a few of the workouts with Poe. That is a large man, doing some things a large man shouldn't be able to do.

How much will his stock be affected by this? Anyone know where was he predicted to be going before the weekend?

Walterfootball.com had him at 34 to the Colts.

JaMarcus Hustle · 27-02-2012 9:55pm

matthew8 wrote: »

Burflict? Sounds terrible. But I don't know how fast that is. What would that translate to on a 100m track? 14 seconds?

I couldn't tell you, not really sure what would be a good guess for 100m. To put it in perspective though, Peyton Manning ran a 4.89 at his combine!

I pay no attention to non-NFL football. What odds would you give on him being fully ready to start in 2013?

Konz was flawless all last year. He'd be a terrific pick. Only reason I don't have him going to the Ravens is Id be surprised if he's still available. If he is, it would be amazing value. He would be ready to start definitely but I'm not familiar with your situation at centre - are ye stuck for a starter immediately?

RGIII · 27-02-2012 10:07pm

I hope Burfict goes undrafted. Doesn't deserve to take up a roster spot.

matthew8 · 27-02-2012 10:18pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

I couldn't tell you, not really sure what would be a good guess for 100m. To put it in perspective though, Peyton Manning ran a 4.89 at his combine!

Konz was flawless all last year. He'd be a terrific pick. Only reason I don't have him going to the Ravens is Id be surprised if he's still available. If he is, it would be amazing value. He would be ready to start definitely but I'm not familiar with your situation at centre - are ye stuck for a starter immediately?

Birk's fine for another year. And it's probably preferable not to start a rookie. Birk can still play to a high standard but not for much longer.

eagle eye · 28-02-2012 8:24am

Liked this, RGIII comes across as pretty smart and a nice kid too. I really, really hope he makes it in the NFL.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts

28-02-2012 12:34pm

JohnnyRyan99 wrote: »

Just watched a few of the workouts with Poe. That is a large man, doing some things a large man shouldn't be able to do.

How much will his stock be affected by this? Anyone know where was he predicted to be going before the weekend?

i think the combine has to be take with a pinch of salt for every jpp theres 10 mike mamulas

Chardee MacDennis · 28-02-2012 1:25pm

Reuben Purring Tray wrote: »

i think the combine has to be take with a pinch of salt for every jpp theres 10 mike mamulas

Matt Williamson on Football Today was saying that performance could push him top 10.

Stev_o · 28-02-2012 4:21pm

If ever there was a person in the world id to go mute it would have to be Jamie Dukes, a f*cking clueless idiot.

mikemac1 · 28-02-2012 4:39pm

Bucky Brooks is on the other stream, he's knowledgable and doesn't shout everything like Dukes

mikemac1 · 28-02-2012 4:42pm

Why are there official and unofficial times?

Surely the computer has the time and that's it. How could it change?

Stev_o · 28-02-2012 4:52pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

Why are there official and unofficial times?

Surely the computer has the time and that's it. How could it change?

They don't real the official times according to the computer till later on in the day. Everything else is stop watch AFAIK.

28-02-2012 4:56pm

is there any players in this draft that you think look like mirror images of current nfl players

Stev_o · 28-02-2012 6:08pm

Currently Ron Brooks showing some blistering numbers, being in the secondary he was he was very much over shadowed but this guy could be a first round talent that drops into the 2nd/3rd down based on the reputation of his team mates. Going to be a steal for some team.

RGIII · 28-02-2012 6:17pm

Eisen vs Luck vs Cam vs RG3

28-02-2012 8:00pm

RGIII wrote: »

Eisen vs Luck vs Cam vs RG3

lol go on ritch ya legend

28-02-2012 8:03pm

steve mariucchi said interviewed rg3 and said it was one of the most impressive interviews hes ever done and that guy knows his qbs

Paully D · 28-02-2012 8:58pm

Anyone reckon there's even a slight chance that RGIII will go ahead of Luck, or is Luck being the number #1 pick all done and dusted now?

Also, give me your top 10 predictions for the first round

kmart6 · 28-02-2012 9:01pm

Colts are locked on Luck...if they did go with RG3 it would easily be seen as the shock of the draft, and would make for some frantic action for the teams picking after!

JaMarcus Hustle · 28-02-2012 10:03pm

Definitely Luck, talk is that they want to wrap it up before the draft.

Also, Peter King says the Rams have received an offer for their #2 from "a team you'd never expect".

Jets anyone?

deise_boi · 28-02-2012 10:30pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Jets anyone?

Fingers crossed for Buffalo! please please please please please

Silver-Tiger · 28-02-2012 10:31pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Definitely Luck, talk is that they want to wrap it up before the draft.

Also, Peter King says the Rams have received an offer for their #2 from "a team you'd never expect".

Jets anyone?

Maybe, but with Sanchez being what he is they would hardly be the most unexpected of teams. Dallas?

Every summer i never read a gossip column related to the soccer because they are all bull**** rumours. Strange because i can't get enough of the bull**** rumours in the NFL @ draft time

Silver-Tiger · 28-02-2012 10:32pm

deise_boi wrote: »

Fingers crossed for Buffalo! please please please please please

Thoughts on Fitzmagic for the future?

kmart6 · 28-02-2012 10:51pm

The video for all the comparisons of Eisen's 40's is here. Worth a watch alone for his reaction to beating Tebow!

OAOB · 28-02-2012 11:06pm

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Jets anyone?

Thought the Jets were in cap trouble, if they trade up for RGIII and cut Sanchez do they make much of a saving?

Onecoolcookie · 28-02-2012 11:36pm

Which team do people think will take a punt on Brock Osweiler? I've been impressed whenever I've watched him but obviously there's a long way to go and he's nowhere near ready to start in the NFL but if he landed at the right team and was able to sit behind a starting QB for a few years I think he could be a very good prospect.

I was interested to see Cliff Harris at the combine aswell, touted as being one of the best cornerbacks of his draft class before being dumped from the Oregon programme he was disappointing but I'm sure a team will take a chance on him in the lower rounds.

Paully D · 28-02-2012 11:46pm

OAOB wrote: »

Thought the Jets were in cap trouble, if they trade up for RGIII and cut Sanchez do they make much of a saving?

Just out of interest, regarding contracts in the NFL, if Sanchez is cut would the Jets have to pay up all his remaining years or what way does it work?

Cheers.

frostie500 · 29-02-2012 12:28am

Do NFL reporters even watch college ball? It's hard not to ask that question when so many people were shocked by Andrew Luck's athletic ability in the combine. It seemed from reading reports that most of the NFL experts had never actually bothered to watch him play for Stanford where he consistently displayed a terrific ability to move outside the pocket and anyone who saw him lay the wood on the USC DB after throwing an interception knows how strong Luck is.

I think all the talk about Luck replacing Manning at Indy and being the closest prospect to Peyton to come out in years made so many writers expect Luck to be unathletic. This isnt to disparage Manning who is one of the best ever at keeping plays alive and moving within the confines of his pocket to give himself time. But I think thats what everyone expected from Luck.

When you add in the likes of Peter King commenting about Stephen Hill, the Georgia Tech wideout who ran well but whose:
"2011 season was odd. He didn't have a 100-yard receiving game in his last nine games; only twice did he catch more than three balls in a game. In three seasons, he caught only 49 passes"

Georgia Tech's triple option offence is hardly the best system for a reciever to show their skills. To give some perspective last year's GT starting QB throw 150 passes, completed less then half of those and threw for 1600 yards 11 TDs. Hill accounted for over 800 yards and five TDs. So even though his numbers dont pop off the stats sheet having watched Tech play it was always obvious how big a part of that offence he was.

JaMarcus Hustle · 29-02-2012 12:28am

Paully D wrote: »

Just out of interest, regarding contracts in the NFL, if Sanchez is cut would the Jets have to pay up all his remaining years or what way does it work?

Cheers.

They wouldn't, however they would still see an impact on their salary cap based on whatever his signing bonus is.

For example, if you have a player on a 5 year contract worth 10 million (for simplicity, let's say it's 2 million per year). You can cut him after 2 years and not have to pay the remaining 6 million. But when he signed that contract, there would have been a signing bonus - let's say 2 million. While that 2 million would have went to him when he signed, it represents a 400k hit on your salary cap for each of those 5 years (think of the accounting concept of accrued expenses and your on the right track). If you cut him after 2 years, you've already accrued for 2 x 400k cap hits, but because you've cut him, the remaining 1.2 million (3 x 400k) will count against your salary cap straight away for season 3.

As far as if the Jets would have room for a #2 pick on their current cap - it would take some stellar contract renegotiations to create the space but under the new CBA, it's achieveable as a #2 pick is no longer a ridiculous 50 million dollar investment. (Re: contract restructuring - I posted a good article in the Banter thread on how the Steelers have done brilliant work in this area so far this offseason in an attempt to be able to afford keeping hold of Mike Wallace - would definitely recommend reading it.)

frostie500 · 29-02-2012 12:34am

Rich's 40 is on now! Always the best part of the combine!

deise_boi · 29-02-2012 1:15am

Silver-Tiger wrote: »

Thoughts on Fitzmagic for the future?

He's a decent QB. He's good enough to lead the team to the playoffs, but his accuracy and arm strength are suspect. His stats regarding interceptions are poor, but quite an amount of them are as a result of having only one top receiver to pick out (Johnson). I'd really to see how Fitz would play if he didnt have to rack up 30+ points each game to win - this can be solved if the we draft a pass rusher in the 1st (Ingram or Perry) and keep the bulk of the D-line fit next season.

It's a tough situation with the Bills and this draft. They could go all out and trade up for RGIII and avail of the get out clause in Fitz's ridiculously overpriced contract. But you're talking a hefty sum - probably 5 picks for 1. If it were me? I'd go for it. A franchise QB like RGIII is exactly what's needed to re-energise the franchise. Quality FA receivers will want to come to Buffalo to play for him. But, Gailey and the Bills GM are of the "build through the draft" school of team building, and as such I really can't see them risking it.

Really it's just a case of seeing where Manning & Flynn go before we get a picture of who's likely to trade up for RG.

kmart6 · 29-02-2012 1:30am

frostie500 wrote: »

Rich's 40 is on now! Always the best part of the combine!

You know that was hours ago yeah?!

frostie500 · 29-02-2012 2:02am

kmart6 wrote: »

You know that was hours ago yeah?!

Sh!t im watching it on the NFL Network they must be just showing repeats all night! Ha! Still, a great effort by Rich this year!

kmart6 · 29-02-2012 2:14am

Was thinking that's what you were doing alright! There's a gif and link to the comparisons on the last page....but you'll have seen them if your watching NFL Network!

Chardee MacDennis · 29-02-2012 10:09am

Paully D wrote: »

Anyone reckon there's even a slight chance that RGIII will go ahead of Luck, or is Luck being the number #1 pick all done and dusted now?

Also, give me your top 10 predictions for the first round

if the Colts pick Luck and it goes wrong, they can say "well everyone expected him to be amazing, we had to take him no 1". If they pick RGIII and Luck is who everyone says he is, the decision would be lambasted for years.

The only sensible thing to do is take Luck really...

JaMarcus Hustle · 29-02-2012 12:18pm

BastardPrince wrote: »

if the Colts pick Luck and it goes wrong, they can say "well everyone expected him to be amazing, we had to take him no 1". If they pick RGIII and Luck is who everyone says he is, the decision would be lambasted for years.

The only sensible thing to do is take Luck really...

Exactly. It's pretty much the same thing Peyton Manning said when he was entering the draft - he warned the Colts that if they didn't select him with their #1 pick, he would make them regret it by beating them for the next 15 years anytime he would face them. Luck hasn't said as much, but he doesn't have to. The Colts just know it's implied!

Hazys · 29-02-2012 3:30pm

BastardPrince wrote: »

if the Colts pick Luck and it goes wrong, they can say "well everyone expected him to be amazing, we had to take him no 1". If they pick RGIII and Luck is who everyone says he is, the decision would be lambasted for years.

The only sensible thing to do is take Luck really...

TBF no decent organization would forgoe their hours of analysis and gut feeling to pick a player based on what the media might say about it...

Otherwise Reggie Bush, the last sure thing, would have been a Texan.

frostie500 · 29-02-2012 4:06pm

Hazys wrote: »

TBF no decent organization would forgoe their hours of analysis and gut feeling to pick a player based on what the media might say about it...

Otherwise Reggie Bush, the last sure thing, would have been a Texan.

Or Houston's own Vince Young! Its amazing now to look back and remember the outcry when Williams was selected number one

eagle eye · 29-02-2012 4:34pm

I'm a huge fan of RGIII but my memories of past drafts are keeping me from going overboard about him.

Just think about every year you have been following the game and remember how many times a QB who can fun fast get gets overhyped by the media.

me-skywalker · 29-02-2012 5:30pm

Some fantastic RB performances. I would love the Packers to take a gamble on David Wilson but I expect McCarthy to give Starks another shot. I'm undecided about Grant but considering our running game isn't a classic part of our offense we should just trade him and take the gamble on a rookie.

02-03-2012 1:46am

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm a huge fan of RGIII but my memories of past drafts are keeping me from going overboard about him.

Just think about every year you have been following the game and remember how many times a QB who can fun fast get gets overhyped by the media.

he seems to have a better arm and mind than the rest though as he said hes a qb who's an athlete as opposed to an athlete whos a qb also i think steve mariucci said he gave the best interview he had ever seen and seems like the most intelligent qb hes seen in years so i think the time he ran was just the cherry on top

also i knew luck was quick but i did not realise he was that quick

Syferus · 02-03-2012 2:35am

The reason RG3 has gone supernova is because he's shown himself to be a smart player on top of being a great athlete. The fact he really is over 6''2 (whereas scouts were thinking he'd barely clock over 6''0) and a solid weight just means he's got every single thing a team could want in a QB.

The way the league's going and with how a similar type of player, Newton, transformed the entire verve of a franchise his first season will mean people will rightly be betting the farm on Griffin. Get your QB right and the path to the play-offs becomes a whole lot more direct.

Chardee MacDennis · 02-03-2012 3:21am

Hazys wrote: »

TBF no decent organization would forgoe their hours of analysis and gut feeling to pick a player based on what the media might say about it...

Otherwise Reggie Bush, the last sure thing, would have been a Texan.

The draft is a crap shoot in the first round no matter the research. Did someone post that article up here regarding draft pick success rates? It's only a little better than blind luck anyway.

Chardee MacDennis · 02-03-2012 3:28am

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm a huge fan of RGIII but my memories of past drafts are keeping me from going overboard about him.

Just think about every year you have been following the game and remember how many times a QB who can fun fast get gets overhyped by the media.

it's the hype about his smarts that's got me, I knew he was a sharp guy (took law in college and is currently studying for his masters afaik) but in my limited following of the draft in previous years I haven't heard a guys intelligence being talked about so much considering his physical abilities.

kmart6 · 02-03-2012 3:29am

Ah there's some years where blind luck can't be said, this year is a case for that with Luck,RG3,Blackmon and others!

I'd agree that say outside the top 5 can be pure pot luck, because there is never going to be a huge amount of elite guys!

NFL DRAFT 2012

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