Roscommon GAA Discussion Thread

nice_guy80 · 22-07-2018 2:13pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

It’s much easier to enjoy a game with both eyes open

Thanks for that.
I'm going to games and coaching long enough to know what is a free and what isn't

downthemiddle · 22-07-2018 3:03pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

downthemiddle wrote: »

It’s much easier to enjoy a game with both eyes open

Thanks for that.
I'm going to games and coaching long enough to know what is a free and what isn't

And what level do you ref at?

nice_guy80 · 22-07-2018 3:47pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

And what level do you ref at?

Used to do adult and college games.
Don't have the time anymore

fullstop · 22-07-2018 11:05pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

They had.
But he gave Donegal at least 3/4 non existent frees and decided Murphy can do anything he wants.
And denied Ros 2 scoring chances at end of 1st half.

He didn't give at least 2 tap over frees for Donegal early on that should have been given. He even gave a free against McHugh for over-carrying for one of them when he was having the jersey nearly pulled off him.

Swings and roundabouts.

yabadabado · 22-07-2018 11:07pm

He was poor overall .The ref didn't lose the game for Ros.

Comic Book Guy · 24-07-2018 9:32am

Ultimately another very disappointing day at the office. An improvement on the previous week but Donegal comfortably dealt with us in second gear.

The long standing issues of securing possession from our own kick outs and being too easy for the opposition to play through the middle of us were again to the fore.
The difference in small things was also stark such as support play. The Donegal man in possession always had a man sprinting off his shoulder at a different angle to take a fist pass in order to break through lines and in fairness it is very difficult to stop when done right. In comparison plenty of times Devaney had possession along the wing but his only real option was a pass to a man running parallel to him 10-15 yards in front of him. Ultimately this player was getting bottled up with no option to play the ball back slowing down and stopping the impetus in our attack.
Some of these things are easily fixed, others obviously not so but it points to me that McStay needs to make hard decisions regarding his coaching staff if we are to progress and push on next year instead of looking at the same deficiencies happening over and over again next year.

White lighting · 24-07-2018 9:49am

yabadabado wrote: »

He was poor overall .The ref didn't lose the game for Ros.

No he didnt. Donegal were the better team but they were helped in a major way by a biased ref. He was pretty pathetic in his hard on for given Donegal everything. Disgrace that its Ulster officials doing the game with a little hardman from Fermanagh on the line. Should be neutral officials

RossieMan · 24-07-2018 2:23pm

Ah here. They beat us off the pitch. You're clutching at straws thinking we ever had a chance of beating them with the current mentality. No defensive ideas at all.

downthemiddle · 24-07-2018 2:38pm

White lighting wrote: »

No he didnt. Donegal were the better team but they were helped in a major way by a biased ref. He was pretty pathetic in his hard on for given Donegal everything. Disgrace that its Ulster officials doing the game with a little hardman from Fermanagh on the line. Should be neutral officials

Donegal were helped, in a major way, by a team that were poorly coached. They had no kick out strategy, were consistenly exposed defensively by poor structures and were absolutely clueless in attack, failing to move the point of attack, getting no width on the ball and running into their own players on a number of occasions.
A Roscommon man could have reffed that game and Donegal would still have won comfortably.

White lighting · 24-07-2018 2:42pm

downthemiddle wrote: »

White lighting wrote: »

No he didnt. Donegal were the better team but they were helped in a major way by a biased ref. He was pretty pathetic in his hard on for given Donegal everything. Disgrace that its Ulster officials doing the game with a little hardman from Fermanagh on the line. Should be neutral officials

Donegal were helped, in a major way, by a team that were poorly coached. They had no kick out strategy, were consistenly exposed defensively by poor structures and were absolutely clueless in attack, failing to move the point of attack, getting no width on the ball and running into their own players on a number of occasions.
A Roscommon man could have reffed that game and Donegal would still have won comfortably.

I agree with yeah but that still doenst mean the refs biased performance is acceptable. I doubt we will see much of him for rest of the summer once his performace is reviewed

Harryclaim · 24-07-2018 6:07pm

Great to see mcstay got the punishment he deserved hopefully he’ll get the door next. Hopefully someone with a defensive mind with a decent s&c coach can take this team to another level

yabadabado · 24-07-2018 6:08pm

How would you replace McStay with ?

What's wrong with the current S&C coach ?

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 24-07-2018 6:12pm

Harryclaim wrote: »

Great to see mcstay got the punishment he deserved

Why any Roscommon supporter would come out with a quote like this is beyond me. It isn't great to see our Senior Manager get a 12 week suspension for being an eejit, regardless of the circumstances.

pjmn · 25-07-2018 9:08pm

McStay had to get 12 weeks - he'll know that himself - I wouldn't be one calling for his head, but it's very clear while we have some grand footballers we aren't near physically strong enough to compete at this level - for me that's where we have to concentrate on improving...

Always_Running · 26-07-2018 1:54am

pjmn wrote: »

McStay had to get 12 weeks - he'll know that himself - I wouldn't be one calling for his head, but it's very clear while we have some grand footballers we aren't near physically strong enough to compete at this level - for me that's where we have to concentrate on improving...

And i'm sure if the aim is to be consistently competitive against the best teams then defensive organization has to be a high priority

RossieMan · 26-07-2018 10:30am

Cells obviously has no idea of football. Complete tosser comment.

yabadabado · 26-07-2018 11:08am

Always_Running wrote: »

And i'm sure if the aim is to be consistently competitive against the best teams then defensive organization has to be a high priority

It was naive not to get someone in who could have helped shape a defensive strategy. It's not like this has just happened ,it's been an issue for a while.
Collins and Mullooly not involved is also a massive loss when we are so light of numbers at the back.

manofwisdom · 26-07-2018 5:15pm

yabadabado wrote: »

It was naive not to get someone in who could have helped shape a defensive strategy. It's not like this has just happened ,it's been an issue for a while.
Collins and Mullooly not involved is also a massive loss when we are so light of numbers at the back.

I'm open to correction but i think about 4 or 5 new backs was brought into the panel this year and most of them weren't given much of run out, he took a big risk bringing Domican back after 6 years away and he found the pace of championship football too much. Conor Daly a starting defender on the DCU Sigerson cup winning team a few years ago dropped off the panel last weekend and his Brother Niall allowed to play for his club midweek while not used v Donegal what was going on there? Sean McDermott is done and along with Ian Kilbride you would have wonder why both didn't retire from county football last year?

McStay continues to try to make defenders out of non defenders O Rourke v Tyrone,Harney since last year,Fintan Cregg this summer,Conor Devaney since last year to name but a few its easy to know he was a forward himself and seems to have little idea to what is required defensively. If he gets someone in to help out on a defensive strategy will he listen to him? his fall out with O Donnell seemed to be on the argument of wanting to play a more offensive game ignoring the fact to be competitive against the best that you must first build your team on solid defensive structure.

White lighting · 27-07-2018 12:51pm

Fall out with o'Donnell was because Fergal tried to take full control with the backing of the other two Boyle lads kevin had zero say.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 31-07-2018 3:14pm

Many going to this? I'd say it could have been played in Kiltoom for the crowd they'll get. Thankfully I'll be at a wedding so I'll watch the game on RTÉ News Now, where we have a good record recently. Pity there's absolutely nothing to play for, the atmosphere will be sh!te.

Sadly, it's obviously about keeping the score respectable and coming out of this with some credit. Dublin are far too professional an outfit to take it easy on us so I think our lads will need to play to the level they hit against Armagh at the very least. I hope they do themselves justice, the bigger picture is that we need to develop a more defensive gameplan for the big teams, but the reality is that that ain't gonna happen by Sunday. Safe journey to any hardy souls heading to the game.

Comic Book Guy · 31-07-2018 4:33pm

Yeah think I'll go to see the year out!

nice_guy80 · 04-08-2018 7:48am

I'm predicting a 10+ defeat

yabadabado · 04-08-2018 8:56am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I'm predicting a 10+ defeat

I'd expect the same,anything under 10 is a bonus.

Will go up to support them,the season has ended poorly but overall I think we did well.Div 1 football and Super 8s was always the goal and we achieved both.
Connacht final was there to be won,winning that could have seen us be at least somewhat competitive in the other group.

Comic Book Guy · 05-08-2018 7:34pm

Looks like that was the last time we will see Seanie Mac in a Roscommon jersey. He was last player off the pitch after being hugged by a lot of his team mates.
The quintessential fan's favourite, he always gave 100% effort and commitment to the cause for his entire county career and would have graced the team in any era.

Thanks for all the memories especially your inspiring solo runs out of defence Seanie. You will be missed.

megadodge · 05-08-2018 9:54pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Looks like that was the last time we will see Seanie Mac in a Roscommon jersey. He was last player off the pitch after being hugged by a lot of his team mates.
The quintessential fan's favourite, he always gave 100% effort and commitment to the cause for his entire county career and would have graced the team in any era.

Thanks for all the memories especially your inspiring solo runs out of defence Seanie. You will be missed.

Lovely post.

I've known Seanie personally since he was a kid and he's as decent a person as you'll ever meet. Was a true stalwart for years even on some poor teams. I hope he enjoys his retirement.

nice_guy80 · 06-08-2018 7:02pm

I hope there's a serious review of the coaching and S&C set up in the senior squad.
Also, we need to find some more physical defenders. Lads that will not be afraid to run into an opponent to slow him down

Billgirlylegs · 07-08-2018 2:24pm

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I hope there's a serious review of the coaching and S&C set up in the senior squad.
Also, we need to find some more physical defenders. Lads that will not be afraid to run into an opponent to slow him down

or even just "mark" them.
Too many free men attacking.
Is that not a simple principle.

I would note that the forwards must be some operators to score respectably, despite being on thin rations in the last three games.

White lighting · 07-08-2018 3:36pm

Billgirlylegs wrote: »

nice_guy80 wrote: »

I hope there's a serious review of the coaching and S&C set up in the senior squad.
Also, we need to find some more physical defenders. Lads that will not be afraid to run into an opponent to slow him down

or even just "mark" them.
Too many free men attacking.
Is that not a simple principle.

I would note that the forwards must be some operators to score respectably, despite being on thin rations in the last three games.

Forwards losing the ball easily and shooting terrible wides is one of the main reasons we lost by so much to Tyrone. We could have had the 6 best backs in Ireland that day and we still would have been trashed with volume of ball we needlessly turned over. They are not free of blame either

Comic Book Guy · 21-08-2018 9:04pm

One of the lads at work was saying that Conor Devanney has retired from the inter county scene. Anyone hear similar?
Would be really disappointing news if true. Still has lots to offer. Very cool in possession and great man to deliver a kick pass just the way the inside forwards want it. Always good for a score too.

TCDStudent1 · 21-08-2018 10:59pm

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

One of the lads at work was saying that Conor Devanney has retired from the inter county scene. Anyone hear similar?
Would be really disappointing news if true. Still has lots to offer. Very cool in possession and great man to deliver a kick pass just the way the inside forwards want it. Always good for a score too.

Class player. Probably my favourite Roscommon player. Always played well any time I have seen Roscommon live.

White lighting · 22-08-2018 9:08am

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

One of the lads at work was saying that Conor Devanney has retired from the inter county scene. Anyone hear similar?
Would be really disappointing news if true. Still has lots to offer. Very cool in possession and great man to deliver a kick pass just the way the inside forwards want it. Always good for a score too.

Be a loss if true still has another few years in him. Had a very poor championship this year and Captaincy didnt suit him but would hope he doesnt pack it in.

yabadabado · 22-08-2018 10:14am

Hopefully it's not true,he's still only 30.

Comic Book Guy · 05-09-2018 11:00am

The provisional fixtures for next year's league have been announced.

We start our campaign with a Saturday night game under lights in McHale Park.
Have Monaghan, Tyrone, Dublin and Kerry at home with away trips to Mayo, Cavan and Galway.

rossie1977 · 05-09-2018 2:22pm

Not far to travel at least although I really enjoyed trip around Ireland for this past seasons league.

Monaghan, Tyrone and even Dublin at home at least gives us a chance of picking up something from those games, however slight. I assume every other team in Division 1 will see Cavan and ourselves as an easy 2 points before a ball is thrown in.

If rumours are true we will have a very inexperienced side for the league campaign given how many players are meant to be retiring, travelling, working abroad etc. Probably going to see a fair bit of the likes of Conor Shanagher and Cian McKeon next Spring, baptism of fire for those young lads.

rossie1977 · 05-09-2018 3:47pm

Rumours swirling that McStay has resigned.

I suppose with the players leaving it left his position pretty much untenable. Pity really because had we won Connacht this year I suspect it would be a different story like in 2011.

As it is we once again we will likely start from scratch with a new set of players (will be interesting to see how many of our starting 15 from 2017 Connacht win would still be starting in 2020).

We did improve under McStay no doubt but there were areas he simply never addressed in three years. We lacked intensity in the tackle, conditioning and our defensive setup was a complete joke. Four goals conceded in each of our last four visits to Croke Park over past 13 months says it all. We will never have the professionalism that the likes of Dublin, Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone have but there is no excuse why we are miles behind Monaghan when it comes to intensity, conditioning and defending.

manofwisdom · 05-09-2018 5:13pm

So Kevin McStay's last involvement as Roscommon manager was hitting the linesman on the back of the head with a football. I agree while McStay did improve Roscommon from the Evans era they should still be improved to the point that they are harder to beat and score against and for whatever reason McStay wasn't able to improve Roscommon defensively if anything they got worse each year. A better coach than Liam McHale who is clued in on the art of tackling would have helped I think.

Kristopherus · 05-09-2018 6:03pm

Kevin McStay has quit. Just announced on VM 1 News.

yabadabado · 05-09-2018 6:10pm

Back to square one again,I qas hoping McStay would go for another year or two and bring in someone to look at the defense.Donie Buckley would have been the ideal man to bring in but he will most likely have better offers.

blowitupref · 05-09-2018 7:12pm

Surprised he didn't stay on for another year but maybe he opted out when hearing of a weaker panel for 2019 and money not there to bring in a top quality coach?

Addle · 05-09-2018 7:41pm

Isn't he carrying an injury himself?

Addle · 05-09-2018 7:45pm

Any rumours of a replacement?
He'll hardly manage Mayo?!

TheRiverman · 05-09-2018 7:47pm

Report on Six One news said he is finished with inter county management.

rossie1977 · 05-09-2018 7:55pm

I would imagine Nigel Dineen will be leading candidate for job. He wanted it 2 years ago before county board ratified McStay as sole manager.

He has similar philosophy regarding how the game should be played so not much will change on that front. Like McStay very naive when it comes to setting a team up defensively. But he knows most of the players given they played under him when he was Under 21 manager between 2012-14. He got Roscommon to two All-Ireland finals during those three years in charge only losing to Dublin twice, Dublin teams which featured eight players that either started or came on as sub on Sunday vs Tyrone.

He probably deserves a go at it anyway.

KevRossi · 05-09-2018 8:09pm

I suppose Dineen would be favourite. Unless they look for someone outside the county.

Did Fergal O'Donnell burn many bridges when he left?

And is McStay going to jump to Mayo after waiting a few weeks.

We had some great days out with him. Salthill, draw in Croke Park last year, Thurles and Portlaoise this year as well as Div 2. Could have won at least one more Connacht title.

Anyway I wish him well, nice bloke to chat to.

nice_guy80 · 05-09-2018 9:19pm

Best of luck to Kevin
I think he was just a bit naieve on how the county game is now played.

Has his All Ireland from the club campaign with Brigids

rossie1977 · 05-09-2018 10:00pm

Don't think FOD had any interest in coming back last time and had to be persuaded back so I doubt he would want another go.

Will be interesting to see if any of the players McStay didn't pick on the panel like the Shines, O'Gara would return to the fold. Clearly McStay and the Dalys never saw eye to eye so maybe they get a proper run on team now.

Just heard someone say that McStay had 16 different players starting at number 6 in his time with Roscommon. That was another issue with his teams, you never knew who was the first choice goalkeeper, full back, centre half, midfield even after 3 years.

Suckler · 06-09-2018 9:14am

KevRossi wrote: »

We had some great days out with him. Salthill, draw in Croke Park last year, Thurles and Portlaoise this year as well as Div 2. Could have won at least one more Connacht title.

That Mayo game was really the one that got away. We should have closed it out and won it. The pasting we took in the replay was a real set back. Definitely another Connacht title in there I thought as well.

nice_guy80 · 06-09-2018 10:04am

Suckler wrote: »

That Mayo game was really the one that got away. We should have closed it out and won it. The pasting we took in the replay was a real set back. Definitely another Connacht title in there I thought as well.

Yeah, should have put Mayo away that day.
the team selections for the replay were baffling

Blanco100 · 06-09-2018 10:34am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Yeah, should have put Mayo away that day.
the team selections for the replay were baffling

Roscommon caught Mayo cold in the opening 25 mins of that game. It was one way traffic for long periods after that. Credit to Roscommon though for dragging themselves back into it but for long periods it was difficult to see where scores for Roscommon were going to come from.

McStay obviously thought he could leave a few of his bigger hitters in reserve for when things needed to move up a notch in 2nd half, but the depth of panel wouldnt allow this. By the time he introduced these usual starting 15 players (fintan cregg for example) the damage was done.

It was poor judgement and inexperience on the sideline as Mayo came flying out of the blocks. In hindsight Ros would have been way better off losing gallantly by a point to Mayo in the 1st quarter final.

Billgirlylegs · 06-09-2018 11:27am

Blanco100 wrote: »

Roscommon caught Mayo cold in the opening 25 mins of that game. It was one way traffic for long periods after that. Credit to Roscommon though for dragging themselves back into it but for long periods it was difficult to see where scores for Roscommon were going to come from.

McStay obviously thought he could leave a few of his bigger hitters in reserve for when things needed to move up a notch in 2nd half, but the depth of panel wouldnt allow this. By the time he introduced these usual starting 15 players (fintan cregg for example) the damage was done.

It was poor judgement and inexperience on the sideline as Mayo came flying out of the blocks. In hindsight Ros would have been way better off losing gallantly by a point to Mayo in the 1st quarter final.

I don't think it was one way traffic, fairly even in the second half, with Mayo marginally better (if they had decent forwards)

Defensively and in midfield, they were hopeless. They were unlucky with the player turnover, absentees and injuries, but a simple marking strategy would have been better than what they were doing.
As far as I could see he tried to attack from the half back line. From what I saw in the Galway / Tyrone / Donegal / Dublin matches, the forwards were pretty good working with poor enough possession.
The scores obtained were pretty impressive for a team that was getting a hiding and unable to get possession in midfield.

I think Kevin McStay did as much as he could and wish him well.
Probably a more robust awkward style of defending would suit better.

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