Rory Best injury - Collar Bone

thebaz · 02-10-2011 6:31pm

Deleted User wrote: »

fully disagree here. If you're calling the above players the first choice

POC -> Cullen isn't near as big a gap as Best -> Cronin
Bowe -> Trimble again
Kearney - > Murphy is a big step, but again not in the same league.
ROG -> Sexton is not even a step, as it's a crazily close decision already.

You're completely underestimating just how good Best has been and how important he is for our game.

did things fall apart when Cronin came on ? - i thought he did just fine

and i never said bests form was poor - he is/was having a super WC

RoryMc23 · 02-10-2011 6:32pm

Leen is being such a child. "I know something you dont!!" Why doesn't he just say who the other injury worry is?

Brewster · 02-10-2011 7:01pm

thebaz wrote: »

did things fall apart when Cronin came on ? - i thought he did just fine

and i never said bests form was poor - he is/was having a super WC

Coming up against the Welsh line out is a serious step up Baz. AW Jones, Charteris and Davies are some of the best lineout operators around and will target Cronin. The Italian pack were tired when Cronin came on today.

davegrohl48 · 02-10-2011 7:06pm

Will the smaller Cronin allow Ross to push in more effectively? I notice Ross tends to try and push in towards the opposition hooker. Some props on here may let us know is it an advantage to have a hooker who's a bit smaller?
It's a squad game. He can be a useful ball carrier that sides are not prepared for. Sides are going to be watching Healy, Ferris and SOB like hawks. If Cronin breaks a tackle he very quickly dashes on into open space. Reportedly as fast as Fionn Carr over 20 metres.

Monty Burnz · 02-10-2011 7:19pm

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Reportedly as fast as Fionn Carr over 20 metres.

At which point he has to stop to eat a bacon sandwich.

cython · 02-10-2011 7:22pm

RoryMc23 wrote: »

Leen is being such a child. "I know something you dont!!" Why doesn't he just say who the other injury worry is?

I agree with your sentiment, but I would wonder is he actually referring to a possibility of a citing (presumably for Healy, though anything he did was reactionary, and not over the top in light of what was missed) rather than injury? I know the normal citation window is 48 hours after the conclusion of the match, but is there a reduced 36 hour window for the world cup? Tournament organisers have that discretion to vary it between 12 and 48 hours, and 36 hours is a very specific window for him to quote.

If that is the case, he could simply be stirring the proverbial to get attention as a news editor!

Brewster · 02-10-2011 7:23pm

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Will the smaller Cronin allow Ross to push in more effectively? I notice Ross tends to try and push in towards the opposition hooker. Some props on here may let us know is it an advantage to have a hooker who's a bit smaller?
It's a squad game. He can be a useful ball carrier that sides are not prepared for. Sides are going to be watching Healy, Ferris and SOB like hawks. If Cronin breaks a tackle he very quickly dashes on into open space. Reportedly as fast as Fionn Carr over 20 metres.

Not really Dave, essentially the role of the hooker at scrum time is to support his prop in targeting the opposition prop by driving at a particular angle and trying to drive a wedge between the opposition hooker and prop destabilising their scrum. Healy and Ross will miss Best terribly. Cronin will do ok in the loose, but he lacks real physical strength and tends to spill alot of ball in contact.

Monty Burnz · 02-10-2011 7:30pm

Brewster wrote: »

Cronin will do ok in the loose, but he lacks real physical strength and tends to spill alot of ball in contact.

This is my abiding image of Cronin alright. Sprinting like a maniac through a gap and then dropping the ball with the predictability of the sun rising.

Brewster · 02-10-2011 7:47pm

Monty Burnz wrote: »

This is my abiding image of Cronin alright. Sprinting like a maniac through a gap and then dropping the ball with the predictability of the sun rising.

He is next best option, so I hope he can step up to the plate. He will have a great pack around him which hopefully will inspire him.

gally74 · 02-10-2011 7:54pm

Cronin can step up, did well today, let's hope he's not injured swell,

Clareman · 02-10-2011 7:59pm

Just watching the highlights on RTÉ, for Earls first try you could see Best going down clutching his collar bone, doesn't look great, but he got back up and ran across the pitch

Monty Burnz · 02-10-2011 8:12pm

Clareman wrote: »

doesn't look great, but he got back up and ran across the pitch

...screaming and weeping like a girl. :pac:

Seriously, I hope that means it's not a fracture - he must have been possessed if he got up again to play and it was.

Clareman · 02-10-2011 8:15pm

It wasn't that he got up to play, he went down and grabbed his shoulder, then you could see him going back into position, he must have been watching Seanie McMahon

Brewster · 02-10-2011 8:21pm

Clareman wrote: »

It wasn't that he got up to play, he went down and grabbed his shoulder, then you could see him going back into position, he must have been watching Seanie McMahon

Somehow I doubt if he was watching Seanie! Conor O Shea more or less said he was out on rte highlights programme. I'm sure he would have heard by now, certainly Horgan would have been txting the lads and would have news of any injury.

.ak · 02-10-2011 8:38pm

Well watched it again, if did get back up off his feet quick enough.

If you break a colar bone you don't get up, simple as. But if he's in hospital its gotta be serious enough for him to be out atleast a week.

Also, possibility that healy might get cited for the shoulder charge he put on bergamasco trying to clear him out, but he didn't attempt to wrap his arms around. It was after bergamasco threw a few wild digs

WavyDavy · 02-10-2011 8:39pm

Shane Horgan on RTE saying the vibes about Rory Best aren't good but we'll have to wait until the morning to find out more. So nothing confirmed yet.

Clareman · 02-10-2011 8:42pm

Everyone should watch Seanie

Looked bad enough to me, hopefully he'll be ok but I doubt it, at least we still have 2 hookers and 4 props out there so we can continue doing live scrum practise.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 02-10-2011 8:44pm

davegrohl48 wrote: »

Will the smaller Cronin allow Ross to push in more effectively? I notice Ross tends to try and push in towards the opposition hooker. Some props on here may let us know is it an advantage to have a hooker who's a bit smaller?

Strauss isn't a big man Ross and Healy do well propping outside him

irishbucsfan · 02-10-2011 8:48pm

.ak wrote: »

If you break a colar bone you don't get up, simple as.

A myth Willie John dispelled a long time ago!

Clareman · 02-10-2011 8:52pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

A myth Willie John dispelled a long time ago!

And Seanie McMahon since then, and many jockies down through the years

overshoot · 02-10-2011 8:54pm

hopefully its all a big ploy to keep our hopes down;)
i think its a testiment to the way he has been playing though that there is 8 pages about his collarbone

padser · 02-10-2011 9:00pm

.ak wrote: »

Also, possibility that healy might get cited for the shoulder charge he put on bergamasco trying to clear him out, but he didn't attempt to wrap his arms around. It was after bergamasco threw a few wild digs

Today started off so well but if we were to lose 2/3 of our front row we have one foot already on the plane home

Quint2010 · 02-10-2011 9:33pm

padser wrote: »

Today started off so well but if we were to lose 2/3 of our front row we have one foot already on the plane home

Good to see such a wonderful glass half full type of attitude..

B0X · 02-10-2011 9:55pm

Is Strauss eligible yet?

ambid · 02-10-2011 10:00pm

B0X wrote: »

Is Strauss eligible yet?

No. He will be in November 2012. Thirteen long months from now

Although if Best keeps up this form when he recovers and if Sherry keeps improving, then Strauss might be a little down the pecking order.

Reloc8 · 02-10-2011 10:07pm

RoryMc23 wrote: »

Leen is being such a child. "I know something you dont!!" Why doesn't he just say who the other injury worry is?

In fairness, he gets told things from close to the squad which he shouldn't make public.

Firstly, because the person who's talking to him might expect that he wouldn't reveal the info.

Secondly because if there is an injury to a player you don't make that public unless its obvious or necessary. He's presumably an Irish supporter too and doesn't wish to tell Warren Gatland who may be carrying a knock/what kind of knock it is.

That's if it is an injury and not a citing.

durkadurka · 02-10-2011 10:40pm

Well then he should have said nothing

tolosenc · 02-10-2011 10:49pm

I'm fully confident in Sean O'Brien's ability to play loose-head/hooker/tight-head/lock/blindside/openside/8/scrummie/fly-half/wing/centre/FB. (delete as appropriate)

marco_polo · 02-10-2011 11:18pm

I am fairly hopeful that Sean can step up to the mark, his few throws were fairly decent today, hopefully they have been working hard on it during this extended time away with Ireland. Would like to see Leo in the 22 if he starts though, just in case.

Reloc8 · 02-10-2011 11:20pm

durkadurka wrote: »

Well then he should have said nothing

The Best injury was already public. The other non-information is non-specific.

duckysauce · 02-10-2011 11:24pm

marco_polo wrote: »

I am fairly hopeful that Sean can step up to the mark, his few throws were fairly decent today, hopefully they have been working hard on it during this extended time away with Ireland. Would like to see Leo in the 22 if he starts though, just in case.

leo ? maybe the beer has gotten to me but why leo just in case ?

danthefan · 02-10-2011 11:33pm

I'm guessing Leen might be talking about a citing, Healy punched the Italian hooker. He says something like "36 hours to find out" which would roughly coincide with the closing of the citing window. Neither Healy nor Ross were injured during the game anyway. And I doubt he has any inside info there either.

marco_polo · 02-10-2011 11:46pm

duckysauce wrote: »

leo ? maybe the beer has gotten to me but why leo just in case ?

Had a few myself

, but I was thinking of having an absolute banker short option in the Lineout should the worst happen with SC's delivery I suppose.

duckysauce · 02-10-2011 11:55pm

danthefan wrote: »

I'm guessing Leen might be talking about a citing, Healy punched the Italian hooker. He says something like "36 hours to find out" which would roughly coincide with the closing of the citing window. Neither Healy nor Ross were injured during the game anyway. And I doubt he has any inside info there either.

would say they would let him off, if he did get citied after they see video , as Williams the Samoan fb was let off after they saw what the Saffer was doing to him. And he struck in the face aswell , more a slap than a punch.

bearnabeauty · 03-10-2011 1:27am

From a very good source, Rory's tournament is finished with a broken collarbone! Mike Sherry called up as replacement!

Hopefully Cronin can stand up and be counted! And everyone gets behind him..

tolosenc · 03-10-2011 1:45am

bearnabeauty wrote: »

From a very good source, Rory's tournament is finished with a broken collarbone! Mike Sherry called up as replacement!

Hopefully Cronin can stand up and be counted! And everyone gets behind him..

Devastating news if true. We've already lost our back up, now to lose Best, who has been key to every game so far, puts us in serious trouble.

Cronin, I feel, can do it, though. His darts have looked good so far this tournament.

MungBean · 03-10-2011 1:52am

tolosenc wrote: »

Devastating news if true. We've already lost our back up, now to lose Best, who has been key to every game so far, puts us in serious trouble.

Cronin, I feel, can do it, though. His darts have looked good so far this tournament.

Some opportunity for Cronin, lets hope Best passes on whatever he's been taking before he heads home.

twinytwo · 03-10-2011 2:34am

tolosenc wrote: »

Devastating news if true. We've already lost our back up, now to lose Best, who has been key to every game so far, puts us in serious trouble.

Cronin, I feel, can do it, though. His darts have looked good so far this tournament.

Best was the back up

tolosenc · 03-10-2011 2:55am

twinytwo wrote: »

Best was the back up

I doubt Flannery would have started any of the games so far. Best was definitely the number 1 number 2.

castie · 03-10-2011 3:02am

tolosenc wrote: »

I doubt Flannery would have started any of the games so far. Best was definitely the number 1 number 2.

Doubt that very much.

Fit Flannery would have started.
Best has only started to perform at the tournament which would have been too late had Jerry been fit.

Tomtom364 · 03-10-2011 3:04am

Awful news (if true) for both best and ireland.

great chance for cronin (and varley) sherry wont feature barring injury id say.

on a side note, leaves munster with just dennis fogarty (4th choice) and sean henry (5th choice). thats a lil worrying.

petebricquette · 03-10-2011 3:05am

castie wrote: »

Doubt that very much.

Fit Flannery would have started.
Best has only started to perform at the tournament which would have been too late had Jerry been fit.

Well, it's academic anyway. Can't wait to see how Nugget gets on. He's been excellent in the loose and in terms of scrummaging.

Brewster · 03-10-2011 7:25am

castie wrote: »

Doubt that very much.

Fit Flannery would have started.
Best has only started to perform at the tournament which would have been too late had Jerry been fit.

That's a nonsense. Best was one of our better players throughout Six Nations and has continued that form into World Cup. Flannery played against England in warm up game and Thompson destroyed him in some of the scrums. There is not a chance he was starting ahead of Best. It's bad enough news about Best without people talking rubbish on here.

hatrickpatrick · 03-10-2011 7:45am

It's a sprain, not a break:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/worldcup/2011/1003/bestr_ireland_rwc.html

So they're saying he's "doubtful for the weekend but we haven't written him off just yet".

Not good news, but certainly better than a broken collarbone.

Rory Best's participation in Ireland's World Cup quarter-final against Wales on Saturday is in serious doubt.

Best sprained the AC join in his right shoulder during yesterday's 36-6 victory over Italy at Otago Stadium and is receiving treatment.

A replacement for the Ulster hooker, who has been playing the best rugby of his Ireland career, has yet to be summoned and a clearer picture over his condition will emerge tomorrow.

"Rory's doubtful for the weekend but we haven't written him off just yet," said manager Paul McNaughton.

"We'll assess it tomorrow and have more information then. He's definitely doubtful.

"He's getting manipulation at the moment. We'll have a better idea tomorrow after a morning's treatment."

Ireland have already lost one hooker during the World Cup after Jerry Flannery returned home two and a half weeks ago with a calf problem.

"Rory has been playing fantastic rugby and it would be a blow if he's not available," added McNaughton.

"But we have two hookers out here and back up in Ireland if we need it.

"Other teams have had injury problems and we must get on with it."

pickarooney · 03-10-2011 7:47am

Is there special dispensation for calling up front row players when a squad member is not out for the rest of the tournament?

03-10-2011 7:54am

pickarooney wrote: »

Is there special dispensation for calling up front row players when a squad member is not out for the rest of the tournament?

nope, we already have Cronin and Varley out there, so can have a full front row replacement in 22.

GerM · 03-10-2011 8:13am

Brewster wrote: »

That's a nonsense. Best was one of our better players throughout Six Nations and has continued that form into World Cup. Flannery played against England in warm up game and Thompson destroyed him in some of the scrums. There is not a chance he was starting ahead of Best. It's bad enough news about Best without people talking rubbish on here.

A lot of people will never value Best or notice the amount of work he does. People will ignore that often when both Flannery and Best were fit, Best was selected ahead of Flannery. Best has generally been putting in these type of shifts but for the past couple of seasons the line out has been misfiring on and off due to a number of reasons (and continued to misfire with Flannery in it in the warm ups) and people used Best as a scapegoat. Now that the line out is very solid, he's suddenly playing a blinder. He was playing very well for a long time.

He's a massive blow for the side if he's out for just one game or for the remainder of the tournament. Can only hope it's just one game and he's back fit and raring to go in the event of us beating Wales.

Monty Burnz · 03-10-2011 8:45am

bearnabeauty wrote: »

From a very good source, Rory's tournament is finished with a broken collarbone! Mike Sherry called up as replacement!

Hopefully Cronin can stand up and be counted! And everyone gets behind him..

So much for these good sources...

Micky Dolenz · 03-10-2011 8:52am

A sprain is better then a break. Still a couple if weeks healing at best. Forgive the pun.

padser · 03-10-2011 9:04am

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

A sprain is better then a break. Still a couple if weeks healing at best. Forgive the pun.

Given we thought he was out I'd take him being fit for semi final

Rory Best injury - Collar Bone

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