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Sherlock confirms that ‘Irish SOPA’ has been signed into law

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    Realistically, is there any way of stopping this law?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭conor.hogan.2


    ottostreet wrote: »
    Realistically, is there any way of stopping this law?

    He is adamant it was not to be reworded and he has stuck it out so far so I would say not in the governments life time.
    By that stage we will see how bad or good it turns out to be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    He is adamant it was not to be reworded and he has stuck it out so far so I would say not in the governments life time.
    By that stage we will see how bad or good it turns out to be.

    That is disgraceful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,943 ✭✭✭wonderfulname


    He is adamant it was not to be reworded and he has stuck it out so far so I would say not in the governments life time.
    By that stage we will see how bad or good it turns out to be.

    Not entirely true, he's adamant it will not be changed or clarified before a 'test case', whether or not that's just a means of getting people off his back is another story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭conor.hogan.2


    Not entirely true, he's adamant it will not be changed or clarified before a 'test case', whether or not that's just a means of getting people off his back is another story.

    Ok, I did not know that but he was defiantly adamant about not changing it despite others in the Oireachtas asking it and of course many many other people asking for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭eth0


    Ok, I did not know that but he was defiantly adamant about not changing it despite others in the Oireachtas asking it and of course many many other people asking for it.

    He would be. If he changes it now he won't get his cheque from EMI


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,246 ✭✭✭conor.hogan.2


    eth0 wrote: »
    He would be. If he changes it now he won't get his cheque from EMI

    Well, I am sure it is coincidental.

    Anyway aren't EMI (and co) continuing in their pursuit of greed despite the SI anyway? Or was that old news I read?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    eth0 wrote: »
    He would be. If he changes it now he won't get his cheque from EMI
    But cheques are traceable













    :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    ottostreet wrote: »
    Realistically, is there any way of stopping this law?

    Not in this governments lifetime but this mans career and public image should be destroyed for betraying democracy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭ottostreet


    I'm shocked that there hasn't been any protest about this. There should be.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    ottostreet wrote: »
    I'm shocked that there hasn't been any protest about this. There should be.
    Their was a few weeks back, a tumbleweed was seen.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    got this reply from teh numpty yesterday

    I would like to update you regarding the enactment of the European Union (Copyright and Related Rights) Regulations 2012.

    I fully acknowledge the concerns that have been expressed by you regarding the introduction of the European Union (Copyright and Related Rights) Regulations 2012 which were signed into law on 29th February, 2012. I wish to re-emphasise that it has been necessary to introduce this legislative measure to restate the position that was thought to exist in the Copyright and Related Rights Act, 2000 regarding injunctions against intermediaries prior to the High Court Judgement of Justice Charleton in the case of EMI & others –v- UPC and to ensure that Ireland is compliant with our obligations under EU law.

    I am satisfied that the High Court now has significant guidance in the implementation of this legislative measure arising from the underpinning EU Directives, as interpreted by the recent Court of Justice of the European Union case law, to ensure that any remedy provided will uphold the following principles:

    • Freedom to conduct a business enjoyed by operators such as ISPs;
    • The absolute requirement that an ISP cannot be required to carry out general monitoring on the information it carries on its network;
    • Any measures must be fair and proportionate and not be unnecessarily complicated or costly;
    • The fundamental rights of an ISPs’ customers must be respected, namely their right to protection of their personal data and their freedom to receive or impart information.

    I am determined to ensure that Ireland will be a premier location where innovation can flourish and where innovation is facilitated by our copyright laws and data protection regime. In this regard, I am committed to reviewing and updating the Copyright legislation currently in place in order to strike the right balance between encouraging innovation and protecting creativity.

    In this context, I am particularly anxious that the Consultation Paper of the Copyright Review Committee, which was launched on 29th February, 2012, is carefully studied by all interested parties to stimulate a constructive and well informed debate on these issues. This is a wide-ranging Consultation Paper which examines the current copyright legislative framework to identify any areas of the legislation that might be deemed to create barriers to innovation. The Consultation Paper is available to download at the following link: http://www.djei.ie/science/ipr/crc_statement.htm.

    I would like to encourage the deepest engagement by all interested parties in the consultation process which has been launched in order to stimulate a constructive and well informed debate on all of the issues raised in this rapidly evolving area.

    I am confident that the work being carried out by the Copyright Review Committee together with the interaction and input of all of the interested parties will result in establishing Irish copyright law on a firm footing to encourage innovation, foster creativity and meet the challenges of the future with confidence.

    Yours sincerely,

    Seán Sherlock TD
    Minister for Research and Innovation

    now i thought he was a JUNIOR minister


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    Faolchu your reply was much nicer than mine
    Think you might need to era the copyright review doc. Then come back with something intelligible and considered. Then research for yourself the Amt of money I spend as minister on new web technology. Honestly, you'd really want to educate yourself on this.

    Thanks.

    Sean Sherlock TD
    Minister of State

    Sent from my iPhone

    Having said that, I didn't really comment on the introduction of the European Union (Copyright and Related Rights) Regulations 2012, more on his heritage and lineage and threw in a few "what would a culchie know about the internet" questions so I think my reply was more than fair.

    I was going to respond with "it's read Sean not era" but I think my work is done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭Faolchu


    i still cant fathom how anyone can sign something into law THEN decide to have a public consultation process on it. seemss kinds cart before the horse to me.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 8,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fluorescence


    Just fired off an email. Feel free to nab it and use it yourself if you wish. I won't sue ;)
    Dear Junior Minister Sherlock,

    It has been reported that this afternoon, the legislation dubbed the "Irish SOPA" has been signed into law. I wish to question why you chose to ignore the uproar and controversy that has surrounded this issue ever since it was originally announced.

    Ireland is internationally considered to be one of the best places in the world for IT companies to locate; legislation like this is not only a deterrent to future investors, but is beginning to make large international corporations like Google question if Ireland is really the place for them to be (Source: http://tinyurl.com/6nasjhr). If Google decide to leave Ireland (thus taking 2000 jobs with them) as a direct result of your actions today, will you be held to account? In this time of economic turbulence, how can you possibly afford to be so careless when it comes to internet legislation?

    Your actions today have damaged the Labour Party's credibility when it comes to matters of technology, and has almost guaranteed the end of your personal political career.

    Yours in disappointment,


    Just got a reply this afternoon. Feels like a copy&paste job that doesn't really address anything I raised in my email, but judge for yourselves.
    A Chara,

    I would like to update you regarding the enactment of the European Union (Copyright and Related Rights) Regulations 2012.

    I fully acknowledge the concerns that have been expressed by you regarding the introduction of the European Union (Copyright and Related Rights) Regulations 2012 which were signed into law on 29th February, 2012. I wish to re-emphasise that it has been necessary to introduce this legislative measure to restate the position that was thought to exist in the Copyright and Related Rights Act, 2000 regarding injunctions against intermediaries prior to the High Court Judgement of Justice Charleton in the case of EMI & others –v- UPC and to ensure that Ireland is compliant with our obligations under EU law.

    I am satisfied that the High Court now has significant guidance in the implementation of this legislative measure arising from the underpinning EU Directives, as interpreted by the recent Court of Justice of the European Union case law, to ensure that any remedy provided will uphold the following principles:

    • Freedom to conduct a business enjoyed by operators such as ISPs;
    • The absolute requirement that an ISP cannot be required to carry out general monitoring on the information it carries on its network;
    • Any measures must be fair and proportionate and not be unnecessarily complicated or costly;
    • The fundamental rights of an ISPs’ customers must be respected, namely their right to protection of their personal data and their freedom to receive or impart information.

    I am determined to ensure that Ireland will be a premier location where innovation can flourish and where innovation is facilitated by our copyright laws and data protection regime. In this regard, I am committed to reviewing and updating the Copyright legislation currently in place in order to strike the right balance between encouraging innovation and protecting creativity.

    In this context, I am particularly anxious that the Consultation Paper of the Copyright Review Committee, which was launched on 29th February, 2012, is carefully studied by all interested parties to stimulate a constructive and well informed debate on these issues. This is a wide-ranging Consultation Paper which examines the current copyright legislative framework to identify any areas of the legislation that might be deemed to create barriers to innovation. The Consultation Paper is available to download at the following link: http://www.djei.ie/science/ipr/crc_statement.htm.

    I would like to encourage the deepest engagement by all interested parties in the consultation process which has been launched in order to stimulate a constructive and well informed debate on all of the issues raised in this rapidly evolving area.

    I am confident that the work being carried out by the Copyright Review Committee together with the interaction and input of all of the interested parties will result in establishing Irish copyright law on a firm footing to encourage innovation, foster creativity and meet the challenges of the future with confidence.

    Yours sincerely,

    Seán Sherlock TD
    Minister for Research and Innovation


    Besides the fact that:
    a) The courts shouldn't require the extra document detailing how to apply the law if the law wasn't so vague in the first place and
    b) he didn't acknowledge that Google may or may not pull out of Ireland due to this law
    I don't really feel that the response is fully adequate. Nevertheless, at least he replied. Over two weeks later.

    EDIT: for those who are curious, this response was from sean.sherlock@oireachtas.ie and not a questionably valid hotmail address.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭FlyingIrishMan


    Got the same reply today myself.
    Seems it was just a copy and paste sent to hundreds of people..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,514 ✭✭✭PseudoFamous


    A Chara

    I really hate when people use this in letters. It's usually from someone who does not regard themselves as a friend of yours, like a politician, or a money hungry bank.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 8,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fluorescence


    I really hate when people use this in letters. It's usually from someone who does not regard themselves as a friend of yours, like a politician, or a money hungry bank.

    It's a pet peeve of mine too. Though maybe he's trying to make himself look good for Seachtain na Gaeilge :rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    I really hate when people use this in letters. It's usually from someone who does not regard themselves as a friend of yours, like a politician, or a money hungry bank.

    Got the same reply that others got today.
    Had to reply with the words

    "Dear Mr Sherlock,
    You are not my "friend" and I would never consider you one after the shambles that is this Statutory Instrument so please dont address me in this manner in any further correspondence"

    Couldnt resist it to be honest :D:D

    On another note can you be arrested for egging politicians??

    Patricks Day they`ll all be out doing their community spirit crap in the local parade so I think a dozen eggs plus a few beers my way and I might just end up having some target practice :D:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Got the same reply that others got today.
    Had to reply with the words

    "Dear Mr Sherlock,
    You are not my "friend" and I would never consider you one after the shambles that is this Statutory Instrument so please dont address me in this manner in any further correspondence"

    Couldnt resist it to be honest :D:D

    On another note can you be arrested for egging politicians??


    Patricks Day they`ll all be out doing their community spirit crap in the local parade so I think a dozen eggs plus a few beers my way and I might just end up having some target practice :D:D
    seriously?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭FlyingIrishMan


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    On another note can you be arrested for egging politicians??

    I would take the chance if I saw him.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 8,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fluorescence


    I would take the chance if I saw him.

    I'm fairly certain you could get done for assault...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭FlyingIrishMan


    I'm fairly certain you could get done for assault...

    Wouldn't it be worth it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,672 ✭✭✭ScummyMan


    Wouldn't it be worth it?

    How old are you, 12?

    No offence, but what exactly would this achieve?


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    seriously?

    Well since all my local Td`s ignored me when I told them that I didnt want a stock answer and wanted their honest opinion on the SI (after already receiving a stock answer) I would seriously consider it.They still havent replied to me.To be totally honest it might make them sit up and listen.

    Its either that or the other idea I had was to get some flyers/posters done up done up and stick them up all over the locality on the night before Paddys day.
    I was thinking of the poster with Mr Sherlock saying he didnt listen--Think its in this thread somewhere.
    I would take the chance if I saw him.

    Theres someone after my own heart but unfortunately Im a long way from Cork :D
    I'm fairly certain you could get done for assault...

    Would it be worth it???

    Fook it--Definately.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    How old are you, 12?


    Nope but I am a long time Labour supporter(18+ years) that I feel has been let down completely by this idiot.
    No offence, but what exactly would this achieve?

    None really but it would feel so good seeing their faces.Especially if you made it clear what it was about to waiting media..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Owen_S


    Wouldn't it be worth it?
    Think of the 'thanks' it would get here, you would be treated like a god.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    Owen_S wrote: »
    Think of the 'thanks' it would get here, you would be treated like a god.

    That alone would be worth it!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    How old are you, 12?

    No offence, but what exactly would this achieve?

    Well bai... Sherlock would be annoyed and put out by having to clean himself.

    How's that identifying-yourself-with-footballers-instead-of-achieving-something-for-yourself going for you, you big grown man you?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    I was patient with him, but he's a condescending arséhole really, his standard reply now is "durr read the copyright review"; he said that to me (in quite the condescending manner), even though I was polite and stated in the email he replied to that I had read it; twat.

    He will only deflect issues raised rather than discussing them now, which shows a complete lack of honesty in discourse in my opinion.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,672 ✭✭✭ScummyMan


    grindle wrote: »
    Well bai... Sherlock would be annoyed and put out by having to clean himself.

    How's that identifying-yourself-with-footballers-instead-of-achieving-something-for-yourself going for you, you big grown man you?

    Well excuse me for thinking that pelting him with eggs isn't the answer.

    I fully agree it would be very satisfying to see, however if anything it would make him stick to his principles even more.

    There really isn't any need for the name calling craic btw, I wasn't trying to be condensending, I was simply stating that throwing eggs at him isn't a mature way of going about things.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,731 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    I was patient with him, but he's a condescending arséhole really, his standard reply now is "durr read the copyright review"; he said that to me (in quite the condescending manner), even though I was polite and stated in the email he replied to that I had read it; twat.

    He will only deflect issues raised rather than discussing them now, which shows a complete lack of honesty in discourse in my opinion.



    Tis the exact same with all of the currently elected Lab/Fg td`s--Stock answers,we`ll send your greivances to Mr Sherlock who then cant be arsed to reply for 3 weeks,and then when he does its a copy/paste job.

    None of my local td`s will return emails,not one of them will meet up face to face for a discussion.They wont even take a phone call to discuss it.

    I was extremely polite in the beginning but Im pissed off with the lack of communication and thats really annoyed me and I feel I have to do something and what better way than to show them up when theyre doing the whole St Patricks day thing.
    So called representatives--they arent representing me.Muppets the lot of them--cant wait till they knock at the door lookign for me to vote "Yes" in the upcoming referendum--God help them--Those fookers will wish they were egged if they knock on my door.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    There really isn't any need for the name calling craic btw...
    This is name calling?
    grindle wrote: »
    ...you big grown man you?
    Pot, meet kettle.
    How old are you, 12?

    Neither's really a name-call anyway, just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling someone's maturity into question when you might as well be wearing a Thundercats jumper and a tea-towel around your neck, flying like Superman around your estate.

    Only havin' the rise...;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Tis the exact same with all of the currently elected Lab/Fg td`s--Stock answers,we`ll send your greivances to Mr Sherlock who then cant be arsed to reply for 3 weeks,and then when he does its a copy/paste job.

    None of my local td`s will return emails,not one of them will meet up face to face for a discussion.They wont even take a phone call to discuss it.

    I was extremely polite in the beginning but Im pissed off with the lack of communication and thats really annoyed me and I feel I have to do something and what better way than to show them up when theyre doing the whole St Patricks day thing.
    So called representatives--they arent representing me.Muppets the lot of them--cant wait till they knock at the door lookign for me to vote "Yes" in the upcoming referendum--God help them--Those fookers will wish they were egged if they knock on my door.
    Ya it's frustrating alright; I think the idea of printing out flyers and posting them around (and more directly, leaflets into peoples doors) is a good idea, though would want to make sure you word them very objectively/clearly.

    Eggs, whilst I can understand the temptation in light of frustration, would be more a personal satisfaction (with a lot of trouble attached), than good though, heh :)
    They'd likely use that to portray all people against the new law as 'hysterical' etc. as they did in light of the Anonymous attacks on their websites.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,672 ✭✭✭ScummyMan


    Look, let it be. Stupid argument, next on the list to be brought in is "my dads bigger than yours"!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,762 ✭✭✭✭stupidusername


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Nope but I am a long time Labour supporter(18+ years) that I feel has been let down completely by this idiot.

    None really but it would feel so good seeing their faces.Especially if you made it clear what it was about to waiting media..

    I would be one of the first people to say egging anybody would be a childish stupid thing to do, but at the same time, there needs to be more attention given to this, and if there were cameras following him then it could do something for drawing the spotlight on the whole issue.
    He will only deflect issues raised rather than discussing them now, which shows a complete lack of honesty in discourse in my opinion.

    which is really why the media needs to get involved. he'll answer stuff then, with enough pressure. problem is the group of people that care about this aren't the loudest in the country. (we need to get in with the OAPs :pac:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭grindle


    Look, let it be. Stupid argument, next on the list to be brought in is "my dads bigger than yours"!

    C'mere'til I ride ya.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭cocoshovel


    Im 20 and got to voted for the first time last year for Labour as all the other parties seemed pretty crap. Now labour have lost my vote...Who am I suppose to vote for now?

    Looks like a spoiled vote from now on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭cocoshovel


    Also just found this. Anybody watch it? Sean Sherlock on this act.




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    which is really why the media needs to get involved. he'll answer stuff then, with enough pressure. problem is the group of people that care about this aren't the loudest in the country. (we need to get in with the OAPs :pac:)
    Ya true, just the media has something to gain from being able to clamp down on linking to copyrighted material online, and are largely subservient to the state (particularly RTE, being publicly funded).

    In addition to that, look at the disdainful attitude of the 'old media' (newspapers, tv news etc.) towards stuff like boards.ie and online discourse in general; seems very much an uphill battle getting noticed, would need an organized group of somewhat influential people trying to develop good enough political and media connections to get things on the radar.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭whitesands


    Well excuse me for thinking that pelting him with eggs isn't the answer.

    I fully agree it would be very satisfying to see, however if anything it would make him stick to his principles even more.
    He has no principles, he's a sellout :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 ✭✭✭✭Cantona's Collars


    You can't stop me Sean Sherlock,I can now download a car.Print it off & drive it.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    Very good video aabout all of this and more.
    its an hour long but good



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    someone told me they thought it would be a good idea to have a competition similar to the one in the states to make him the irish equivalent of Rick Santorum.
    google santorum if you don't know what i'm on about.

    what do we think about that people?


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