Unpopular GAA opinions you hold

Corcaigh84 · 12-06-2014 2:48pm

ultrapercy wrote: »

Killenny would rather bask in the glory and adulation of a game almost nobody knows about, even in the country where its the national sport, than put any effort into development of anything other than hurling. Its called indoctrination.

Ultrapercy, confirmed wum

IrishAlice · 12-06-2014 2:51pm

ultrapercy wrote: »

All those counties have teams that compete in the League. Hurling is a game where tradition counts for a lot more than it does in football and is harder to coach and harder to reach a level of competitiveness. Killenny would rather bask in the glory and adulation of a game almost nobody knows about, even in the country where its the national sport, than put any effort into development of anything other than hurling. Its called indoctrination.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe Kilkenny people play hurling and camogie because they love it?!

There are many club players in the county who will never stand a chance of getting onto the county teams and won't ever get to "bask in the glory and adulation of a game almost nobody knows about".

They play for the love of the sport.

ultrapercy · 12-06-2014 2:52pm

thefloss wrote: »

Ultrapercy, confirmed wum

Confirmed by whom? Everybody does not think the same way.

jimmurt · 12-06-2014 2:54pm

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

1. Eoin Kelly is the best forward of the last 15 years and is better than any Kilkenny forward in the same period.

Don't think the 2nd half of this sentence is needed

Martin567 · 12-06-2014 2:55pm

ultrapercy wrote: »

All those counties have teams that compete in the League. Hurling is a game where tradition counts for a lot more than it does in football and is harder to coach and harder to reach a level of competitiveness. Killenny would rather bask in the glory and adulation of a game almost nobody knows about, even in the country where its the national sport, than put any effort into development of anything other than hurling. Its called indoctrination.

Kilkenny people play the sport they love. The attitude to football in Kilkenny is no different than the attitude to hurling in far more counties.

Alf Veedersane · 12-06-2014 2:56pm

Hurling and football are two completely different sports.

It doesn't matter if a county plays one and not the other in the same way that it doesn't matter if most of them don't play handball.

Corcaigh84 · 12-06-2014 2:56pm

OK ultra, try to explain your last point, why exactly should KK diversify into other sports instead of being the best they can at the fastest game on grass?

Why not be great at something rather than mediocre at multiple things? What county are you from? I would bet it's a county without much success in anything. Struggling to figure out why you're posting on the GAA forum, as you certainly don't sound like a fan.

Prop Joe · 12-06-2014 2:57pm

Lemlin wrote: »

Cavan are working at underage level to try and kickstart hurling in the county.

I raised this on here before - certain counties just don't have the population to support two sports. Here's a link to Irish counties by population:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_counties_by_population

It's not surprising to see that those with the lowest populations struggle to support two codes.

Carlow,laois,Offaly?

ciarriaithuaidh · 12-06-2014 2:57pm

thefloss wrote: »

As a Cork hurling fan I think this post is absolutely ridiculous.

As much as I can't stand the sight of the black & amber this is one point I regularly use in arguments to explain how KK put themselves in a postion to excel at the sport.

If you want my unpopular opinion, Cork should follow KK's lead and forget about playing that inferior sport at senior level altogether (7 AI's notwithstanding), and concentrate 100% on hurling.

Oh look, another hurling snob. :rolleyes:

You can have your own opinions on which game is better, fair enough, but suggesting Cork should forget about football is about as dumb as it gets. West of Bandon is Gaelic Football to the core, one of the strongest Football areas in the country. Not to mention Nemo Rangers, St Finbarrs (both All Ireland club winners and strong football clubs) aswell as the large Football-focused areas in Duhallow and Muskerry. Looking at underage results in recent years, one might be inclined to suggest Cork should forget about hurling and concentrate on football if they want to maximise success.

Festinalente · 12-06-2014 3:00pm

Heart and skill will always trump tactics in hurling (as kk and cork demonstrate)
Tactics can trump heart and skill in football (as Donegal demonstrated)
Another reason why hurling is hurling is a superior game

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 12-06-2014 3:01pm

Here's some of mine:

- I like hurling with a little bit of niggle (hard challenges, off the ball skirmishes etc. but no outright dirt like pulling across players ), to both play and to watch

- I'd be happy enough if Dublin never win an All-Ireland since that means my own team won't win it that year, and I get annoyed when I hear the likes of 'Oh you wouldn't begrudge Dublin an All-Ireland would you?" Damn right I would, I'd begrudge all teams except my own!

- I find some Cork and Clare fans' suggestions that they hauled hurling out of the dark ages last season to be ignorant, disrespectful and amusing at the same time

- I think that if hurling keeps evolving the way it is in twenty years players will be using foot long hurls to pass the ball to each other and run it up the field. On a somewhat related note I cannot believe that in this day in age there are not some stricter regulations on hurls, such as bas size and weight for example

When reading GAA forums there are some key indicators that I use to mentally dismiss posters as not having a clue about hurling/don't watch enough of it/have never played it

1. Poster states that Tommy Walsh is dirty, the dirtiest player ever etc.

2. Poster thinks that throwing the hurl is an offence akin to murder (have a read of the hysteria in the thread on here when Tommy threw the hurl as an example). Throwing the hurl looks awful, and shouldn't happen but they way some people go on you'd swear a thrown hurl had the potential to sever limbs

3. Posters that seem to think that the seriousness of any offence is doubled or tripled in the hurl happens to break during the offence

Lemlin · 12-06-2014 3:02pm

Prop Joe wrote: »

Carlow,laois,Offaly?

When was the last time you saw a successful hurling or football team from either? The glories have been few and far between.

ultrapercy · 12-06-2014 3:07pm

thefloss wrote: »

OK ultra, try to explain your last point, why exactly should KK diversify into other sports instead of being the best they can at the fastest game on grass?

Why not be great at something rather than mediocre at multiple things? What county are you from? I would bet it's a county without much success in anything. Struggling to figure out why you're posting on the GAA forum, as you certainly don't sound like a fan.

When the pool is tiny any tiddler can be the big fish, being "great" at hurling is a lot easier than being good at sports that have mainstream participation or being competitive across a range of sport. To put it in context I have more admiration for Clare winning one All Ireland than Killkenny winning a 100 or Cork or Tipp of Offaly etc etc

savannahkat · 12-06-2014 3:16pm

zetecescort wrote: »

My Unpopular opinion based on the carry on here at times is "I'm from Cork and we're brilliant!"

Mass delusion running rampant on Lee side once more.

Corcaigh84 · 12-06-2014 3:18pm

ciarriaithuaidh wrote: »

Oh look, another hurling snob. :rolleyes:

You can have your own opinions on which game is better, fair enough, but suggesting Cork should forget about football is about as dumb as it gets. West of Bandon is Gaelic Football to the core, one of the strongest Football areas in the country. Not to mention Nemo Rangers, St Finbarrs (both All Ireland club winners and strong football clubs) aswell as the large Football-focused areas in Duhallow and Muskerry. Looking at underage results in recent years, one might be inclined to suggest Cork should forget about hurling and concentrate on football if they want to maximise success.

I do understand that parts of Cork are more focused on football than hurling. I also know we have one of the worst conversion rates when it comes to AI football finals in the last 100 years, the record books make for pretty dismal reading.

I'd rather let Kerry, Dubin and the Northern teams who play such an attractive game get on with it and let us concentrate on hurling as a priority. If I'm seen to be a snob so be it

BUNK1982 · 12-06-2014 3:36pm

The inter county game in it's current guise is unsustainable.

In both codes - they should have Senior, Intermediate and Junior All Ireland comps, the best players from the Intermediate and Junior teams could form a provincial team to compete in the Senior AI.

Incorporate the league so that it sets up the knockout stages, no backdoor, no replays and get rid of the provincial c'ships.

Players can get 2/3 months off in a year and have a greater degree of certainty around their schedule.

rebel girl 15 · 12-06-2014 4:05pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Why are people so upset by Kilkenny's football team? I just don't get it a all. There are more than enough counties fielding football teams.

It would be more in line to get a lot more counties taking hurling seriously, Hurling is a sport that is really struggling outside of a small few counties but it just seems easier to bash Kilkenny.

Its because football is easier to play, requires three times less skills than hurling. To be fair, Ulster are doing a lot to promote hurling

savannahkat wrote: »

Was it not a Kilkenny team made up of Kilkenny men representing Kilkenny in Gaelic football.

London have two teams, the seniors that compete in the Connacht and All Ireland senior championships and the juniors which compete in the British and All Ireland junior championships

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Cavan are building nicely in hurling

fielding in minor and under 21 this year

Lot of that is due to the man they put in as development officer - he has done huge amount of work. Just shows where there is a will, you will find a way

WesternZulu · 12-06-2014 4:05pm

That someday Mayo will win Sam!

rebel girl 15 · 12-06-2014 4:06pm

thefloss wrote: »

OK ultra, try to explain your last point, why exactly should KK diversify into other sports instead of being the best they can at the fastest game on grass?

Why not be great at something rather than mediocre at multiple things? What county are you from? I would bet it's a county without much success in anything. Struggling to figure out why you're posting on the GAA forum, as you certainly don't sound like a fan.

Because its the ethos of GAA - having football, hurling, camogie, rounders and handball as one family of games, being played by every club and every county. Thats part of the one club model

AugustusMinimus · 12-06-2014 4:26pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Because its the ethos of GAA - having football, hurling, camogie, rounders and handball as one family of games, being played by every club and every county. Thats part of the one club model

I don't think rounders is played on a GAA club basis. Rounders has specific clubs setup to just play that sport.

savannahkat · 12-06-2014 4:27pm

Lar Corbett and Eoin Kelly elevated a mediocre Tipp team into an average Tipp team.

MayoAreMagic · 12-06-2014 4:32pm

That splitting Dublin in the football makes perfect sense and wouldn't be half as bad for them as they have convinced themselves it would be.

That anyone who says Kilkenny and Kerry would have to be split also is either being deliberately misleading or is an idiot.

That the seeding of Munster is in fact 100% logical and is in fact fairer than not seeding them.

That the gaa are too concerned with making money and it is actually to the detriment of the game.

savannahkat · 12-06-2014 4:44pm

No problem with splitting Kilkenny, other than the hard choice of having to decide if I will support the north or the south in the All Ireland final.

rebel girl 15 · 12-06-2014 4:47pm

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I don't think rounders is played on a GAA club basis. Rounders has specific clubs setup to just play that sport.

But the vision for it is that every club will have a team

TaosHum · 12-06-2014 4:52pm

savannahkat wrote: »

No problem with splitting Kilkenny, other than the hard choice of having to decide if I will support the north or the south in the All Ireland final.

Or border clubs could be play in Carlow. Would solve the whole problem :pac:

iDave · 12-06-2014 4:54pm

Munster hurling and Ulster football championships aren't any more special than any other provincial championships.

adrian522 · 12-06-2014 5:04pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Its because football is easier to play, requires three times less skills than hurling. To be fair, Ulster are doing a lot to promote hurling

That doesn't really answer my question about why people are so upset about there not being a competitive Kilkenny football team.

Why is there such an uproar about Kilkenny not having a football team, I mean what difference does it really make? It's not like football is dying on it's feet or anything, it's also not like the Kilkenny hurling team will suffer by having a football team out there, I guess I don't really understand the hysteria at all.

Hurling on the other hand needs a lot more people playing it and needs to be promoted outside the main counties. There are a lot of counties ( and clubs for that matter) that only pay lip service to hurling and would much rather it didn't exist. I think people like to use this as stick to beat kilkenny with and would be far less outraged if kilkenny weren't a successful hurling county.

savannahkat · 12-06-2014 5:10pm

adrian522 wrote: »

That doesn't really answer my question about why people are so upset about there not being a competitive Kilkenny football team.

Why is there such an uproar about Kilkenny not having a football team, I mean what difference does it really make? It's not like football is dying on it's feet or anything, it's also not like the Kilkenny hurling team will suffer by having a football team out there, I guess I don't really understand the hysteria at all.

Hurling on the other hand needs a lot more people playing it and needs to be promoted outside the main counties. There are a lot of counties ( and clubs for that matter) that only pay lip service to hurling and would much rather it didn't exist. I think people like to use this as stick to beat kilkenny with and would be far less outraged if kilkenny weren't a successful hurling county.

It is pure jealousy because we are so successful at hurling and are population wise the 11th smallest county. We punch way above our weight in hurling. Is it not brutally obvious that it amounts to Munster jealousy.

ciarriaithuaidh · 12-06-2014 5:33pm

thefloss wrote: »

I do understand that parts of Cork are more focused on football than hurling. I also know we have one of the worst conversion rates when it comes to AI football finals in the last 100 years, the record books make for pretty dismal reading.

I'd rather let Kerry, Dubin and the Northern teams who play such an attractive game get on with it and let us concentrate on hurling as a priority. If I'm seen to be a snob so be it

So what exactly would you tell top class players like Colm O'Neill, Brian Hurley, Michael Shields, Paul Kerrigan and all the good under 21s that Cork have coming through (a lot more than in hurling)..sorry lads, ye'll have to take up hurling or go playing soccer or something? This isn't un unpopular opinion, is just plain dumb to even think such a thing.

The only reason I'm responding to someone like you who would suggest something so clearly at odds with the reality on the ground, is that this is actually the attitude of some people in Cork and it sickens me.

WesternZulu · 12-06-2014 6:48pm

That football is a better sport than hurling.

Although I think that hurling is more difficult to master...once you do, it's an easier game to play than football.

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