Ugly man is Maddie suspect

Ann22 · 27-05-2009 4:56pm

Dudess wrote: »

LOL at how people are determined to depict them as akin to Fred and Rosemary West. Innocent until proven guilty perhaps?

I don't think many folk think they're child murderers at all, no one's saying that. They're a long way from Fred and Rose. They're neglectful parents who have lost a child because of it regardless of what happened...I can't imagine they'll ever have peace of mind again.
You could read through the official pj files here http://the3arguidos.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=39 so you have a balanced view of the situation. The uk papers are not reliable sources of info.

Dudess · 27-05-2009 5:02pm

Ann, people do seem to be itching for them to be guilty of their daughter's murder - and in order to galvanise support for this hatefulness, they start fabricating bullsh1t about how they're sinister and creepy and abnormal... a weird couple like the Wests or Hindley/Brady.

I'm not 100% ruling out the possibility that Madeline's gone because of them - I can't, seeing as I don't have all the facts - but until there's solid proof, best not to make such serious allegations. It has been well publicised how fake allegations destroy lives. And I still find it utterly mindblowing that they left their children sleeping alone - it was an outrageous thing to do - doesn't mean they killed her though...

Ann22 · 27-05-2009 6:02pm

Dudess wrote: »

Ann, people do seem to be itching for them to be guilty of their daughter's murder - and in order to galvanise support for this hatefulness, they start fabricating bullsh1t about how they're sinister and creepy and abnormal... a weird couple like the Wests or Hindley/Brady.
I'm not 100% ruling out the possibility that Madeline's gone because of them - I can't, seeing as I don't have all the facts - but until there's solid proof, best not to make such serious allegations. It has been well publicised how fake allegations destroy lives. And I still find it utterly mindblowing that they left their children sleeping alone - it was an outrageous thing to do - doesn't mean they killed her though...

I don't pay any heed to extreme theories..No way would I accuse them of harming her themselves...at the most I believe it was an accident. I really don't want to believe someone took her...if she was mine I'd never get over it:(.
A girl I work with has just returned from Salou. She was playing on the beach with her little 3yr old girl..when she noticed a man sitting on a bench nearby. He was playing with himself up the leg of his shorts. This girl is really attractive, she thought he was watching her...but when she got up to go, her little one ran off...the creep's head turned like lightning after her. It was her he was leering at. Can you believe it? The wee blonde thing was there in her wee vest. What a creep!!!

Snake Plisken · 27-05-2009 8:31pm

No way the McCanns had anything to do with the dissappearance of Madeline, of course they are guilty of leaving their children alone, but Kate looks terrible now the strain and guilt must be killing her inside, only for the twins I would say she wouldn't be able to keep going. I think people take a dislike to them because they are both Doctors classed as well off and that irks your daily sun/star readers in the UK and here!

Dudess · 27-05-2009 8:39pm

Snake Plisken wrote: »

No way the McCanns had anything to do with the dissappearance of Madeline

We can't make that statement unequivocally either, but yeah, such speculation was rife over the dingo/baby killing which resulted in the mother being jailed - she was a Seventh Day Adventist, and thus, a "cult" member so she must have been "weird". There were similar murmurings in relation to Sarah Payne's family, because they were kinda hippy-ish. When Philip Cairns disappeared there were murmurings about his mother being so religious and his religion books being missing from his recovered bag.
Some people can be so vile.

Ann22 · 28-05-2009 10:09am

I remember the crap that went around about the Cairns family-load of b*llox. My friend saw the Payne family when they were in Orlando. They were on some trip at the same time. They appeared to be very protective of the children, keeping them very close. Denise Bulger is the same.. she said her 14 yr old wasn't allowed out of their garden unless she was by his side.
It still baffles me how the McCanns could leave the twins behind in Luz and travel the world within days of it happening - I'd never let them out of my sight, they'd be in the bed with me at night 'til puberty.... and I couldn't fathom why they had those happy family photos published in all the papers-what if Maddie was somewhere and could see them all getting on without her..that's what I'd be thinking. The Christian side of me feels it's wrong to condemn them as they have been punished enough but the other side feels that they know she's gone, have maybe laid her to rest somewhere privately and the way they're dealing with their remorse is to ensure some good comes out of it regarding laws like the Amber Alert system. The police over there clearly believe the child came to her end in the room and all the evidence appears to point that way.

WillieCocker · 28-05-2009 10:14am

Dudess wrote: »

What was said was "they are attractive to normal people" so that response doesn't make sense at all.
And yes, in a general sense, they're reasonably attractive. They're hardly unattractive just because they don't look like Brad and Angelina. They're fairly young, fit, healthy, slim, well presented. These tick the attractive box - one doesn't have to fancy them to make them attractive. ?

She looks like skeletor......with botox'd lips.:eek:
He looks like.....the abductor TBH.

asdasd · 28-05-2009 11:38am

but yeah, such speculation was rife over the dingo/baby killing which resulted in the mother being jailed

One example.

Baby P's mother was guilty of neglect. Mostly children are harmed by parents, foster parents, or authorities in loco parentis. Particularly priests. The dingo story probably seemed unlikely at the time.

I think people take a dislike to them because they are both Doctors classed as well off and that irks your daily sun/star readers in the UK and here!

The class bias works the other way. The idea is that these middle class types could not be guilty of harming their kids. Were that a cheap resort, and the scenario the same, the parents would seem more suspect to the better educated.

Certainly there would an arrest for neglect.

shqipshume · 28-05-2009 1:14pm

Dudess wrote: »

I'm not laidback about it at all - I was just taking the piss out of a particular post.

No Dudess i was joining in your sarcasm lol

:D

shqipshume · 28-05-2009 1:21pm

Dudess wrote: »

Ann, people do seem to be itching for them to be guilty of their daughter's murder - and in order to galvanise support for this hatefulness, they start fabricating bullsh1t about how they're sinister and creepy and abnormal... a weird couple like the Wests or Hindley/Brady.

I'm not 100% ruling out the possibility that Madeline's gone because of them - I can't, seeing as I don't have all the facts - but until there's solid proof, best not to make such serious allegations. It has been well publicised how fake allegations destroy lives. And I still find it utterly mindblowing that they left their children sleeping alone - it was an outrageous thing to do - doesn't mean they killed her though...

I agree negligent but not murderers>
What baffles me is there is loads of parents who do that abroad even at home and they also need to wake up and cop on that you cant do that with your children even at your own home.

walshb · 28-05-2009 1:28pm

What they did is unforgivable and grossly negligent. To any normal person, it's almost
unbelievable that they could leave three young children alone while they partied.

Only a couple of weeks ago a two year old was killed by a van
in Clondalkin.

The mother was interviewed and was in bits and then said that
"I had only just given him 2 euro to go across to the shops."

Two years of age and let out alone to cross the road to go to the shops?

Mad!

shqipshume · 28-05-2009 1:30pm

walshb wrote: »

What they did is unforgivable and grossly negligent. To any normal person, it's almost
unbelievable that they could leave three young children alone while they partied.

Only a couple of weeks ago a two year old was killed by a van
in Clondalkin.

The mother was interview and was in bits and then said that
"I had only just given him 2 euro to go across to the shops."

Two years of age and let out alone to cross the road to go to the shops?

Mad!

A two year old across to the shop :eek:why in gods name would anyone in right mind do that :mad: Poor little baby

RIP

walshb · 28-05-2009 1:36pm

shqipshume wrote: »

A two year old across to the shop :eek:why in gods name would anyone in right mind do that :mad: Poor little baby RIP

I know, she might as well have got into her car and driven over the child herself.
She allowed that child to enter an area with so much danger that it was
inevitable that the accident happened.

Maddie's parents may as well have put an ad in the paper to let
folks know that Maddie was alone. Maddie was gift wrapped in
that apartment for any potential danger.

shqipshume · 28-05-2009 1:43pm

walshb wrote: »

I know, she might as well have got into her car and driven over the child herself.
She allowed that child to enter an area with so much danger that it was
inevitable that the accident happened.

Maddie's parents may as well have put an ad in the paper to let
folks know that Maddie was alone. Maddie was gift wrapped in
that apartment for any potential danger.

Yeah wow that is unbelievable! Its clondalkin traffic is mental there and poor 2 year old is not gonna have sense to stop.:(God help the poor driver to,what an awful thing to have to live with.

I would say if they didn't have anything to do with it,yes they definitely should be found at fault.Like i said previous,These people who abduct kids watch and pick out the easier targets.Like that situation leaving children without supervision.It wasn't opportunistic that night they would have been watched and waited till they left.

Dudess · 28-05-2009 7:21pm

Jeez, that's unreal about the kid in Clondalkin... Some people are so stupid there's no hope for them.

asdasd wrote: »

One example.

One example of someone who went to prison, I also gave two examples of suspicion falling on parents based on spurious claims.

The dingo story probably seemed unlikely at the time.

Or there was just an element amongst the Australian public that wanted Lindy Chamberlain to have killed her daughter.

I am not saying the McCanns are not to blame for Madeleine's disappearance - how can I when I have no solid proof to the contrary. But there is also no solid proof either that they did it. And trying to find reasons to believe they definitely did it, outside of what's been given officially (e.g. "Oh yeah, they look and act creepy" - yeah, sure they do... :rolleyes:) is just pathetic.

thebman · 28-05-2009 7:28pm

There is a good reason for suspicison that thre was nobody else involved though. Who would have known the kid was in the room alone?

Its unlikely that anything else happened. Either the kid died unsupervised or the parents did something else IMO.

I don't believe she was kidnapped. It all sounds very far fetched especially these mock ups.

shqipshume · 28-05-2009 9:01pm

thebman wrote: »

There is a good reason for suspicison that thre was nobody else involved though. Who would have known the kid was in the room alone?

Its unlikely that anything else happened. Either the kid died unsupervised or the parents did something else IMO.

I don't believe she was kidnapped. It all sounds very far fetched especially these mock ups.

Why don't you read what i wrote,Children are watched and stalked by people who murder and abuse kids.They are organised and intelligent.Especially ones who have done it many time previous.They can watch a certain child,some are even taken because they are giving specific orders from someone who is looking to buy.Then they wait for the right time and gone.

Have you ever heard of organised paedophile rings or child prostitution?And where better than to have them and cover their tracks faster than in a resort where kids are running around all day and left on their own by some parents while they get plastered.

Ugly man is Maddie suspect

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