Next for Dunne

TLG · 22-03-2009 2:20am #1

Dunne is now a super bantamweight champion!!!!

Here is another one; Juan Manuel Lopez, 24-0, 22KO, maybe Dunne will fight him in the future:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaNAzF0kr0M&fmt=22

Now that he is past Cordoba, Dunne is close to fighting the top of the division!! How will Dunne fare against the top of the division?

Boxrec super bantamweight rankings:
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?sex=m&division=Super%20Bantamweight

The Ring super bantamweight rankings:
http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/jr_featherweight

Who will he fight next?

eagle eye · 22-03-2009 2:21am

Next for Dunne?

I'd say a party and a few days off.;)

joepenguin · 22-03-2009 7:01am

He shouldnt go chasing other champions yet. He has upped his level now and shoudl get comfortable at it. Make some voluntary defences before going after mandatory challengers or fellow champions.

EDIT: And of course some major partying, celebrating and chilling out. Would like to see him back in the ring late summer, give the cuts time to heal etc and hold on to the title for a while.

Victor McDade · 22-03-2009 7:17am

Martinez rematch?

Big Ears · 22-03-2009 7:27am

I wouldn't mind him shutting Frank Maloney up by beating his charge Rendall Munroe. All the English boxing fans were touting Munroe to easily beat Bernard but most of them seem to have gone quiet after tonight. Munroe is ranked 4th by the WBA so it would be a good defence and against a man who has beaten Martinez twice.

Syferus · 22-03-2009 12:28pm

savemejebas wrote: »

Martinez rematch?

Martinez isn't even in the picture, nor should he be.

Big Ears · 22-03-2009 12:40pm

Syferus wrote: »

Martinez s isn't even in the picture, nor should he be.

He was ranked #13 by the WBA before his recent second loss to Munroe, so he may still be(just) in the picture but he'll probably go out of the rankings.

He wouldn't deserve a shot at all, but Dunne does have a score to settle with him.

walshb · 22-03-2009 1:26pm

My view is for Dunne to make hay while the sun shines. Take it easy and get some easy defences if you can. I am still very very unsure
about his punch resistance. Cordoba isn't a heavy puncher and Dunne was hurt so many times.

I can't believe I am saying this, but Bernard, go make one or two easy
defences, make a mint and get out healthy. You have nothing
tp prove and in against a puncher could be very dangerous.

I would love to see Bernard avenge the Kiko fight, but it's still
a massive risk. Ther are many in the 122 lb division that
are simply too heavy handed and strong.

joepenguin · 22-03-2009 3:00pm

Kiko is at least a couple of fights down the line. I think Dunnes confidence will go up with this win and rightly so. Kiko would need a couple of wins before being considered and you couldnt hype the fight now with his current form. Dunne should get a few defences in first, Munroe being a good pick.

unknown13 · 22-03-2009 3:49pm

Hopefully Rendall Munroe

joepenguin · 22-03-2009 3:49pm

McCullough has said he wants to fight Dunne.

enviro · 22-03-2009 3:54pm

joepenguin wrote: »

McCullough has said he wants to fight Dunne.

Is that true?

mark renton · 22-03-2009 4:30pm

Mc Cullough - IMO no chance

http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?country=&sex=m&division=Super+Bantamweight&status=A&SUBMIT=Go

how good does that look - ranked above Ponce De Leon who I think Bernard should fight next, I hope he leaves European boxers out and sticks with the big names. I think Munroe or Martinez would be a step backwards

walshb · 22-03-2009 4:36pm

Wayne is a disgrace to be still trying to shove himself
in the ring. Ponce is simply too hard for Bernard. I say take
it easy and go for an easy few wins.

The guys rated below Dunne, some are very good.
He has options, use them and make the dough Bernard!

Kiko is 42?? That's mad. I know he lost twice to Munroe, but
to be that far behind a guy you KO'd. It's mad, so
many rating differences. Lets all use 1 and stick to
that
http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/122.html

Bernard needs moving up, Cordoba down and that's a better rate system IMO
You may be criticised for making easy defences, but it's the smart move.

If Dunne meets and beats KIko, I will retire and will forever
applaud Dunne. Go get him Bernard and do it!

Big Ears · 22-03-2009 4:41pm

He should go after Rendall Munroe and then Mayhar Monshipour if the Frenchman can manage to get himself back in the European rankings.
I know people don't want Europeans but they would be more than reasonable defences.

joepenguin · 22-03-2009 4:48pm

yeah boxrec, ibo or ring. they even differ from one to the next but are more spot on then any of the orgs. Bernard and co should look to keep improving, train like that everytime and improve every fight now

mark renton · 22-03-2009 4:50pm

joepenguin wrote: »

Bernard and co should look to keep improving, train like that everytime and improve every fight now

Agreed - And I think only a big American name can do it for him

Aaron M · 22-03-2009 5:01pm

Dunne was excellent last night, but I think a bit of perspective is needed here. People are suggesting he fight the likes of Lopez and Ponce De Leon! Those guys are monsters with seriously frightening punch power. They would destroy Dunne and possibly seriously hurt him as well. He needs to stay well clear of those guys. They're just too powerful. If Cordoba had Dunne down twice, what do you think those guys would do to him!?

Dunne showed real guts and heart last night, but that will only take you so far when it comes to guys who can genuinely bang at world level.

walshb · 22-03-2009 5:48pm

Aaron M wrote: »

Dunne was excellent last night, but I think a bit of perspective is needed here. People are suggesting he fight the likes of Lopez and Ponce De Leon! Those guys are monsters with seriously frightening punch power. They would destroy Dunne and possibly seriously hurt him as well. He needs to stay well clear of those guys. They're just too powerful. If Cordoba had Dunne down twice, what do you think those guys would do to him!?

Dunne showed real guts and heart last night, but that will only take you so far when it comes to guys who can genuinely bang at world level.

Exactly my thoughts and it's clear from the evidence last night.
Too many shaky moments against Cordoba. Imagine a banger in there
with more accuracy. I don't want to see Dunne suffer and I believe
he will NOT be meeting those guys. Bernard's team know his limits

Johner · 22-03-2009 6:01pm

TLG wrote: »

Dunne is now a super bantamweight champion!!!!

Here is another one; Juan Manuel Lopez, 24-0, 22KO, maybe Dunne will fight him in the future:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaNAzF0kr0M&fmt=22

Now that he is past Cordoba, Dunne is close to fighting the top of the division!! How will Dunne fare against the top of the division?

Boxrec super bantamweight rankings:
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?sex=m&division=Super%20Bantamweight

The Ring super bantamweight rankings:
http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/jr_featherweight

Who will he fight next?

Dunne against Lopez is insane man, Lopez would KO Dunne first round I'd bet my house on it.

matty84 · 22-03-2009 6:19pm

What about kimura of japan or the italian maludrottu (not big hitters)and do you think dunne will fight in the challengers country, the way cordoba came to fight here??

walshb · 22-03-2009 6:23pm

matty84 wrote: »

What about kimura of japan or the italian maludrottu (not big hitters)and do you think dunne will fight in the challengers country, the way cordoba came to fight here??

Not a hope he'll travel. This is all about business and money and he'd be
mad to travel. Dunne is now guaranteed big big bucks here.

He should, and I think will, take on one or two "easier" opponents.
It's far too risky meeting top 5 men and a lot of those
below him are very very bad for him.

Keep well away from hitters!

He and his team should be very selective and to be honest, they
have had plenty of practice.

For once, I will encourage them to be selective. Only take
the "dangerous" fights when forced to!

Big Ears · 22-03-2009 6:31pm

matty84 wrote: »

What about kimura of japan or the italian maludrottu (not big hitters)and do you think dunne will fight in the challengers country, the way cordoba came to fight here??

Why would Dunne fight away from Ireland for small money ?

Maludrottu would be an easy defence for me, and a kind of respectable one but I don't think it's ambitious enough. He may aswell take on Munroe.

walshb · 22-03-2009 6:33pm

What's the official stance on it all?

Okay, I assume his first defence can be voluntary; when does he have to meet
a mandatory or really rated guy?

What's the time frame?

Can he even side step this mandatory? Or would that result in
him being stripped?

matty84 · 22-03-2009 6:44pm

Big Ears wrote: »

Why would Dunne fight away from Ireland for small money ?

Maludrottu would be an easy defence for me, and a kind of respectable one but I don't think it's ambitious enough. He may aswell take on Munroe.

Well if he was to take on munroe do you reckon he'd have the balls to fight him in england as id say there wouldnt be much a difference in fight earnings if he was to box over there instead of here??

And i would really fear for dunne if he was to fight this guy:eek:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1376407/07_june_2008_ponce_de_leon_vs_juan_manuel_lopez_rd_1/

Big Ears · 22-03-2009 6:51pm

walshb wrote: »

What's the official stance on it all?

Okay, I assume his first defence can be voluntary; when does he have to meet
a mandatory or really rated guy?

What's the time frame?

Can he even side step this mandatory? Or would that result in
him being stripped?

If regulations are followed correctly he must make a mandatory within 7 months I believe(9 months from when Cordoba won the title). He must make a mandatory defence every 9 months unless he's injured.

His mandatory will likely be Poonsawat Kratingdaenggym, the fighter who Cordoba lost a split decision to in Thailand.

He can have as many voluntaries as he wants in the mean time, however considering his cuts that'll probably be one.

It wouldn't be surprising if Dunne didn't have to defend against his mandatory till a little later though, the sanctioning bodies(bar the IBF) aren't always fickle about enforcing mandatories unless it suits them. So he may get longer than 7 months.

If he doesn't defend against a mandatory when stipulated and hasn't suffered an injury he would be stripped of his title.

If he successfully defends his title in a mandatory defence he would be scheduled to face the WBA Super-Champion(presently Celestino Caballero) before his next mandatory after that arises.

matty84 wrote: »

Well if he was to take on munroe do you reckon he'd have the balls to fight him in england as id say there wouldnt be much a difference in fight earnings if he was to box over there instead of here??

And i would really fear for dunne if he was to fight this guy:eek:
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1376407/07_june_2008_ponce_de_leon_vs_juan_manuel_lopez_rd_1/

What !, ?

You do know Munroe fights in leisure centres and only on Friday Fight Night on Sky ?

He doesn't generate anymore cash than a British champion would and there's no way that fight would make as much money in England.
There isn't one fight where Dunne could make more money in another country.

Hence it makes sense to make all of his defences in Ireland.

jayroyal · 22-03-2009 7:13pm

I think this guy http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=272757&cat=boxer should be dunnes first defence , can't get the wba rankings on net but i'm sure he up high enough as he has a minor wba belt.

Big Ears · 22-03-2009 7:19pm

jayroyal wrote: »

I think this guy http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=272757&cat=boxer should be dunnes first defence , can't get the wba rankings on net but i'm sure he up high enough as he has a minor wba belt.

He's 3rd and a good option for a reasonable defence.
He was scheduled to face Steve Molitor in a defence of Molitor's IBF title until he ****ed up by drawing with Garcia.

jayroyal · 22-03-2009 7:25pm

Big Ears wrote: »

He's 3rd and a good option for a reasonable defence.
He was scheduled to face Steve Molitor in a defence of Molitor's IBF title until he ****ed up by drawing with Garcia.

have u a link for the wba rankings, i think it would be a good defence public wise as he unbeaten and not a big puncher.

simongurnick · 22-03-2009 7:36pm

I'd love to see him challenge all comers but you've got to be realistic here. He'll should get a few easy defences under his belt before he takes on any of the top boys. There's a few up there I thinnk he'd take, Molitor being one. Similar boxing skills and neither a big hitter, but if you watch Dunne v Cordoba and Molitor v Caballero there's a huge difference in heart, dermination and stamina.
Also, all fights will be in Ireland, without doubt. The only pity is this division doesn't have any household names the general public know, otherise he could fill an outdoor stadium.

Big Ears · 22-03-2009 7:40pm

jayroyal wrote: »

have u a link for the wba rankings, i think it would be a good defence public wise as he unbeaten and not a big puncher.

1. Poonsawat Kratingdaeng
2. Rafael Marquez
3. Olivier Lontchi
4. Rendall Munroe
5. Antonio Escalante
6. Jorge Lacierva
7. Rafael Hernandez
8. Kazuma Miura
9. Akifumi Shimoda
10. Wilfredo Vasquez Jr.
11. Bernard Dunne
12. Jeffrey Mathebula
13. Kiko Martinez
14. Zsolt Bedak
15. Heriberto Ruiz

Taken from Fightnews, the WBA don't have a website at the moment as they're selling their old domain name.

Heriberto Ruiz won this weekend aswell against Mauricio Martinez so he'll possibly go up a few places.

Vasquez jnr defended a WBA regional title last week aswell so he might move up too.

Mathebula fights Caballero next as IBF mandatory,so remove him from the rankings.

Miura lost to Kimura, so Kimura will probably enter the rankings and Miura exit.

steve-collins · 22-03-2009 7:45pm

i think dunne deserves an easy defence against munroe , and then he will probably have to fight poonsawat seen as he is 1 ranked and then caballero as the super champ must fight the regular champ whthin 12 months or so

Big Ears · 22-03-2009 7:47pm

simongurnick wrote: »

I'd love to see him challenge all comers but you've got to be realistic here. He'll should get a few easy defences under his belt before he takes on any of the top boys. There's a few up there I thinnk he'd take, Molitor being one. Similar boxing skills and neither a big hitter, but if you watch Dunne v Cordoba and Molitor v Caballero there's a huge difference in heart, dermination and stamina.
Also, all fights will be in Ireland, without doubt. The only pity is this division doesn't have any household names the general public know, otherise he could fill an outdoor stadium.

If RTÉ showed the 2nd and 3rd Vasquez v Marquez fights and then tried to build up a fight between Dunne and Vasquez it'd sell out a stadium.

Of course if Vasquez is the same man he was in his last fight and before he'd destroy Dunne. Then again if he's the same man he was in his last fight he'd destory Caballero pretty handily too.

sligobhoy67 · 22-03-2009 8:09pm

TLG wrote: »

Dunne is now a super bantamweight champion!!!!

Here is another one; Juan Manuel Lopez, 24-0, 22KO, maybe Dunne will fight him in the future:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaNAzF0kr0M&fmt=22

Now that he is past Cordoba, Dunne is close to fighting the top of the division!! How will Dunne fare against the top of the division?

Boxrec super bantamweight rankings:
http://www.boxrec.com/ratings.php?sex=m&division=Super%20Bantamweight

The Ring super bantamweight rankings:
http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/jr_featherweight

Who will he fight next?

no thanks.

Olivier Lontchi please!

sligobhoy67 · 22-03-2009 8:16pm

jayroyal wrote: »

I think this guy http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=272757&cat=boxer should be dunnes first defence , can't get the wba rankings on net but i'm sure he up high enough as he has a minor wba belt.

great minds!!!!

sligobhoy67 · 22-03-2009 8:20pm

Big Ears wrote: »

1. Poonsawat Kratingdaeng
2. Rafael Marquez
3. Olivier Lontchi
4. Rendall Munroe
5. Antonio Escalante
6. Jorge Lacierva
7. Rafael Hernandez
8. Kazuma Miura
9. Akifumi Shimoda
10. Wilfredo Vasquez Jr.
11. Bernard Dunne
12. Jeffrey Mathebula
13. Kiko Martinez
14. Zsolt Bedak
15. Heriberto Ruiz

Taken from Fightnews, the WBA don't have a website at the moment as they're selling their old domain name.

Heriberto Ruiz won this weekend aswell against Mauricio Martinez so he'll possibly go up a few places.

Vasquez jnr defended a WBA regional title last week aswell so he might move up too.

Mathebula fights Caballero next as IBF mandatory,so remove him from the rankings.

Miura lost to Kimura, so Kimura will probably enter the rankings and Miura exit.

they have a new website but havent told anyone the address or changed any links!!

here are the ratings.

Johnduddy · 22-03-2009 9:57pm

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

no thanks.

Olivier Lontchi please!

Lontchi or anyone who cant bang.

Dunnes chin was again exposed by a relatively light puncher last night. Saying that, I still thought his recovery and the experience he showed to get through the 5th was what won him the fight last night.

Peters and Hawkins know his limitations and I think they will be looking for 1 or 2 handy voluntary's to earn as much as possible before coming up against a heavy handed mandatory.

As Ive said before, I hope Peters tells Munroe and Maloney to shove it if they come looking for a shot. He wouldnt fight Cordoba and more importantly told Dunne where to go when he was looking for a shot at his EBU.

T-K-O · 23-03-2009 11:16am

Some warped views in here. While I wouldn't put Dunne in with Lopez, the guy still has it all to prove - sure he KOed De Leon in a round but that can happen. I think he is the real deal but he has to prove it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Dunnes first defence is a handy one - he deserves one after Saturday.

Ideal situation would be Penalosa withstands the power of Lopez eeking out a decision. I think Gerry is great fighter but he is also made for Dunne.
Ben Dunne double world champion :eek:

After Munrroe refusing to fight in Ireland, only to fight a bum a few weeks later I wouldnt be in a rush to give him a shot. Kiko could be an option 2-3 fights down the road.

Hangballlouie · 23-03-2009 11:30am

He should take an easy defence next time, he deserves it after Saturday and then before he goes to challenge any other top-10 guys, he needs to beat Kiko.

It is a blotch on his record that needs to be wiped out, because if it isn't, it will always hang over him in some peoples eyes, mine also.

mark renton · 23-03-2009 11:36am

hangballlouie wrote: »

He should take an easy defence next time, he deserves it after Saturday and then before he goes to challenge any other top-10 guys, he needs to beat Kiko.

It is a blotch on his record that needs to be wiped out, because if it isn't, it will always hang over him in some peoples eyes, mine also.

Why should he fight Kiko? What has Kiko done to deserve a world title shot?? He caught Bernard cold and there is a danger that he could do it again. This doesnt make him deserving of a world title shot.. He couldnt even beat Munroe

Kiko is old news and should left behind unless he goes and fights against the top guns

sligobhoy67 · 23-03-2009 11:44am

john47832 wrote: »

Why should he fight Kiko? What has Kiko done to deserve a world title shot?? He caught Bernard cold and there is a danger that he could do it again. This doesnt make him deserving of a world title shot.. He couldnt even beat Munroe

Kiko is old news and should left behind unless he goes and fights against the top guns

What had Bernard Dunne to earn his world title shot - dont you realise that the boxing world was calling foul about Bernards shot!?

I think fighting Kiko is a great idea - the Irish public know Kiko - they know him but dont know the other SBW world champions - Peters could get Kiko cheap and would fill the O2 again and earn BD a fortune - which he deserves.

Then BD would have to face his mandatory WBA challenger.

sligobhoy67 · 23-03-2009 11:44am

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

What had Bernard Dunne to earn his world title shot - dont you realise that the boxing world was calling foul about Bernards shot!?

I think fighting Kiko is a great idea - the Irish public know Kiko - they know him but dont know the other SBW world champions - Peters could get Kiko cheap and would fill the O2 again and earn BD a fortune - which he deserves.

Then BD would have to face his mandatory WBA challenger.

p.s. I reckon BD beats Kiko this time - ideal!

T-K-O · 23-03-2009 11:49am

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

What had Bernard Dunne to earn his world title shot - dont you realise that the boxing world was calling foul about Bernards shot!?

I think fighting Kiko is a great idea - the Irish public know Kiko - they know him but dont know the other SBW world champions - Peters could get Kiko cheap and would fill the O2 again and earn BD a fortune - which he deserves.

Then BD would have to face his mandatory WBA challenger.

Oh really... :rolleyes:

Hangballlouie · 23-03-2009 11:50am

john47832 wrote: »

Why should he fight Kiko? What has Kiko done to deserve a world title shot?? He caught Bernard cold and there is a danger that he could do it again. This doesnt make him deserving of a world title shot.. He couldnt even beat Munroe

Kiko is old news and should left behind unless he goes and fights against the top guns

Seriously John, come on.

Bernard beats Kiko if he uses head head for the first couple of rounds, as Sligo stated it would be a great pay day, lord knows the revenge fights are big ticket sellers.

It is a name and it also fixs the blotch on his record, cos if Bernard retired tomorrow, then this Kiko thing is always going to be there and I along with others will always carry that with us when we talk about Bernard.

sligobhoy67 · 23-03-2009 11:51am

T-K-O wrote: »

Oh really... :rolleyes:

yes really!

What does "oh really" supposed to mean?

mark renton · 23-03-2009 11:53am

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

What had Bernard Dunne to earn his world title shot - dont you realise that the boxing world was calling foul about Bernards shot!?

He was European champ and unlucky to lose that title, also nobody else wanted to fight Cordoba anyway, and after seeing the judges scores for the fight and seeing the Panama connection I now see why!!

Hangballlouie · 23-03-2009 12:01pm

Kiko was European champ also

T-K-O · 23-03-2009 12:02pm

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

yes really!

What does "oh really" supposed to mean?

Who was calling foul ?? I love to know - have you links..

sligobhoy67 · 23-03-2009 12:06pm

T-K-O wrote: »

Who was calling foul ?? I love to know - have you links..

go onto ANY boxing forum that isnt populated by solely Irish people and you will be plenty that were pizzed off that Bernard got a shot.

Bernard didnt deserve his shot - he genuinely didnt - but my god did he take it!

Bernard got his shot because Peters came up with the cash - well done to Peters!

sligobhoy67 · 23-03-2009 12:08pm

john47832 wrote: »

sligobhoy67 wrote: »

What had Bernard Dunne to earn his world title shot - dont you realise that the boxing world was calling foul about Bernards shot!?

He was European champ and unlucky to lose that title, also nobody else wanted to fight Cordoba anyway, and after seeing the judges scores for the fight and seeing the Panama connection I now see why!!

"was" being the operative word!

Bernard hadnt made even the slightest dent on the world scene until Saturday night. Thats the truth - we wasnt even rated in the top ten - and even now just creeps in!

Who had Bernard beaten to get him the shot?

mark renton · 23-03-2009 12:10pm

hangballlouie wrote: »

Kiko was European champ also

He won it by catching Bernard cold, lost it straight away, and couldnt regain it... There is too much of a danger here to try gain revenge. I'm not looking for Bernard to now take an easy route (but wouldnt blame him if he does) as I would like to see him in against Ponce De Leon, he needs to be pushed to raise his game and only big names will do this - also no shame in defeat against big names... but Kiko is history, the belt is in Neilstown and the Kiko videos on youtube have now been replaced with something more enjoyable!!!

Long live youtube

Next for Dunne

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