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Care while pregnant versus postnatal care

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭krankykitty


    I'm not one bit surprised but I feel very bad for those of you who have been treated in such a disrespectful manner and who have experienced such bad care. It's not one bit acceptable, no matter how stretched the services are the least you should expect is some respect and compassion.

    AIMS Ireland recently did a survey of women who had been through the system which would back up everything that's being said here.

    AIMS Ireland research into satisfaction with maternity services 2014

    Dil Wickremasinghe on the Global Village Show on Newstalk has taken an interest in the issue recently, from 15 mins for anyone interested.
    Global Village 21st Feb Maternity Services


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Ms2011


    Mamamaisy wrote: »
    Believe it or not it looks like I will be back there again by the end of this year and I'm sure it will be very different second time around but only because I know what to expect and think I will have the confidence to demand respect.

    I'm back in 5 weeks & definately feel more confident this time around.


  • Registered Users Posts: 116 ✭✭Claire de Lune


    Those stories are horrific, I am so sorry you were treated that way.

    I just want to reassure the pregnant ladies reading this thread, I was a public patient in Holles st twice and I received excellent care both times, wether it was antenatal, during birth or postnatal.

    In the postnatal ward the midwives were indeed very busy, but they were always great when I needed help with baby/breastfeeding, needed pain meds or just needed advice and reassurance! I couldn't fault them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭Sligo1


    These stories are indeed just awful. What is awful aswell is that these few midwives (or nurses in general hospital) really do give an awful name to those that love their job and are indeed excellent and caring health care professionals. I actually shudder to think of any of my loved ones (or indeed anybody at all) in their care.

    However, I do think it is imperative to reassure the public that this really isn't the norm. Yes, there are a lot of horrific stories here. But it's important to know that for each of those there maybe 100 good ones. There should never be incidences like those described above. This is why it's so important to make formal complaints. (I know easier said than done especially when you are sick or have a new baby to look after) Generally speaking "I think" the majority of those in the profession are there to help us all in a knowledgeable and caring manner.

    For example, I have been working in an acute health care setting for 14 years now. I have also been a patient in a maternity hospital twice and in an acute general hospital a few times. There are always a few wagons around. But i can honestly say I have never had the misfortune of coming across these "types" that are so uncaring and jaded in their profession that they would be better off out of it.


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    I can move the thread to the Newborn forum as it does seem to be quite scary for some who are pregnant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Neyite wrote: »
    I can move the thread to the Newborn forum as it does seem to be quite scary for some who are pregnant.

    I do think it would be a handy one for pregnant women to read tbh, even if it's just to get as far as 'Pack some food!'. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,175 ✭✭✭angeldelight


    Neyite wrote: »
    I can move the thread to the Newborn forum as it does seem to be quite scary for some who are pregnant.

    I'm due in a few weeks and am actually glad to have read the thread, while horrified at the treatment some of you have experienced. I am generally really bad at speaking up for myself and am reluctant to "make a fuss" but reading this thread has helped to prepare me should I be unfortunate enough to encounter any of these people. Also it prompted me to have a conversation with my husband about being my advocate and speaking up even if I feel like I can't which we wouldn't have had without this thread


  • Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Cool, I'll leave it here so, I'd just wondered when we had a few saying it was putting them off. :)

    I do agree it's a very helpful thread for mums-to-be - I read one similar when I was pregnant and it helped frame what my partner's role was going to be. For me he was support, yes, but also a second pair of ears when the medics are explaining something, and ready to speak on my behalf if needed.

    I knew that some midwives would be a bit cool in their bedside manner, but never dreamed that women were told to fcuk off like some posters here. That's verbal abuse, pure and simple, and I guarantee if one of us had said it in our antenatal appointment to any of them, security would be removing us so fast our feet wouldnt touch the ground. In the hospital I was in, there were signs all around the place about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    I'm due in a few weeks and am actually glad to have read the thread, while horrified at the treatment some of you have experienced. I am generally really bad at speaking up for myself and am reluctant to "make a fuss" but reading this thread has helped to prepare me should I be unfortunate enough to encounter any of these people. Also it prompted me to have a conversation with my husband about being my advocate and speaking up even if I feel like I can't which we wouldn't have had without this thread

    This a thousand times. I was so lucky to have Pierce there to speak up for me and ask for things I didn't think I was entitled to. The only other visitor I had that I felt I could really trust to do that was my mother, but because she lives an hour from the hospital and no-one in my family drives, she was only there once for an hour - my OH was there from the second visiting hours started until they forced him to leave.
    Once you are sure you have someone who can get assertive for you, and pack A LOT of snacks, the rest is doable :o

    PS - I really don't think expectant mothers will get how seriously I mean pack A LOT of snacks, so I'm saying it again. Crisps, bars, buns, sweets, anything that will ward off hunger. I missed breakfast my second morning in because I happened to be asleep when they came around at 8am and that is apparently code for "I don't want food". I had to wait until 2pm before I got any food to eat!!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭Blingy


    I am due at the end of May and have found reading this quite scary and upsetting however Sometimes it's good to know it's not all rosy after the birth. It has prompted me to read up a bit more on what I am entitled to as a patient and increase my knowledge. I am not the most assertive person but will try and be more vocal if necessary. Hopefully I will get the nicer midwives.
    Thanks everyone for recounting your stories it can't have been easy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭foodaholic


    I had my first child in Mount Carmel, not for the private room or the other perks that it had. But for the simple fact that when I rang a bell a nurse came - no waiting for analgesia or lactation advise. I have had so many friends who experienced 3rd world care in our maternity hospitals. I know we all hear horror stories but for me that is all im hearing lately. Women not getting analgesia ( this alone is disgraceful) poor hygiene standards, women 8 women in a ward designed for 6 !!

    They seem to know that once woman have their babies home with them that they are very unlikely to complain about the poor and shoddy treatment they received by so called professionals.

    If we dont complain about poor standards of care - it will never improve.
    Any wirtten complaint has to be answered and is kept of file.

    http://aimsireland.ie/ is a great site that helps woman post traumatic birth experiences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,916 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Wow, this thread makes for hard reading. I had my son in Wales and I might has well have had him in heaven compared to these stories. I ended up having an emergency section at about 2am so instead of putting me on the ward they kept me in an observation room in L&D for the first 36 hours after. They brought me tea and toast from the staff kitchen, which I promptly vomitted, and the last midwife I'd had through labour and the birth stayed with me to chat with me about how I was and would have helped to establish feeding if it had been necessary. My husband was allowed stay until I told him to leave and get some sleep.

    I had a team of unallocated midwives sitting right outside my door and they did things like picking S up and giving him to me and the first few nappy changes, as for the first few hours I had very, very little arm movement from the spinal block. I didn't need to call them, if they heard S start to stir they just came in. After the second time he woke up, after I fed him I mentioned to the midwife that came in to see how we were doing that I didn't feel quite ready to let him go, so she made him up a 'nest' in the bed next to me and helped me position myself safely with him. I was too wired to go back to sleep and instead had an amazing morning watching the dawn over the bay and as it was the middle of Diwali there were several fireworks displays happening at a time all down along the Gower coast. It was completely magical. Later that day both of the other midwives who had been 'mine' throughout my long labour came in to visit with me and celebrate S's arrival and they brought me lots of extra freebie stuff. On the L&D ward there was no such thing as visiting times so while my husband was obviously allowed be there when he wanted, they had no problem with my parents coming in whenever (though the midwives did tell me that they'd pretend to enforce strict limits if I was sick of visitors). The food was typical hospital food but I'd packed snacks and my husband and parents brought me in lots of things. The midwives at the station usually asked if I wanted a cup of tea and a biscuit if they were making one. The doctors, right down to the anesthesiologist, all came in to get my feedback on how I felt everything had gone and if I had any comments or complaints. I was offered counselling if I needed it due to the traumatic nature of the birth. I was routinely offered painkillers, IIRC Tramadol and paracetamol every 4 hours and ibuprofen/difene every alternate 4 hours. I took very little of them, as I was a bit paranoid about breastfeeding and medication but I was told that as a BFI hospital all painkillers they offered would be safe for breastfeeding.

    On the evening of S's second day I was moved to the postnatal ward which was less ideal than my lovely bubble in L&D but nothing to complain about. There were 4 beds in the room and all of the other women in there had also had some sort of medicalised birth, so we were checked on regularly. I had some constipation so one of the midwives brought me Peppermint oil which I needed a few times to get going and she was very sympathetic with how uncomfortable it was for me and was quite cheery in a lovely way once I finally did go. (Which in retrospect does sound a little weird, having a stranger cheerlead you having a poo :o) That night I woke up completely soaked in sweat and needed the sheets changed. I went and found a nurse and apologised but she just quickly whipped out new sheets and changed the bed and was lovely about it. The next day they did all the checks on both of us, like paeds check and hearing test for S, a lactation consultant came to check S's latch and see if I wanted any advice on feeding, etc. They said they were happy to release us into the care of the community midwives if I wanted to go home or to keep us in another day or so if I preferred. I went home. The community midwives visited us the next morning and weighed S for the first time since immediately after his birth and visited us in the bedroom at home. They told me that anything under a 12.5% loss of weight was normal and even then they'd assess other factors like him being falsely large at birth due to me being on an IV in labour, before interferring with my feeding. He'd lost 9.5% which was smiles all around and as my milk had just come in since his last feed I was told he'd probably gain it back in no time. When they came again 2 days later he had and I partly put that down to not being made to stress about his weight in a way that seems common here.

    Everything was just lovely and relaxed with the whole process and that's considering the fact that I didn't get to go to the lovely birthing centre I'd hoped for. Instead I was in the hospital that local mums online described as a comparitive cattle market. But everyone there was honestly fantastic and took so much time to go through everything with me and just be friendly. There are some things that were wonderful about my experience that were more dumb luck than the NHS Wales system, like the spectacular view from my window after S's birth and the super sweet way 'my lovely' is Welsh for 'person I'm presently talking to.' But all in all I look back on my 80 hour labour (including 2 hours of pushing) followed by a c-section and the days after S's birth as all part of a really excellent experience where I was trusted to make my own informed decisions, completely respected while being cosseted and protected when I needed it. And that is 100% down to a mixture of the wonderful personalities of every single HCP I dealt with alongside the decades of hard work organisations like the National Childbirth Trust has done in Britain, researching and campaigning for the best possible birth experiences for women and their babies.


  • Registered Users Posts: 159 ✭✭catchery


    Wow iguana that is truly an amazing experience exactly what you think you will have while you are pregnant. Treated with respect and full care and attention. As a lot of people have said here one bad egg can ruin you experience, my midwifes were incredible they washed me after the birth helped me breastfeed and were just wonderful. It was the staff in the hospital which are separate to the midwife group that treated me bad.
    I went with a group of midwifes within the hospital system. These woman were who i dealt with through-out my pregnancy. I could not fault them i felt at ease in their company and safe. Their ideal is to have a safe birth at home or in a hospital environment . If hospital is required to be out within 24 hours of the birth unless there is a complication. This is what i wanted and aimed for i had no idea the staff in the hospital were going to treat me different which they shouldnt have of course. It was the hospital staff i found a problem with. But not on my second, i had my son in bed with me while i was there and all of the staff were just fantastic and caring like it should be !
    Again i had all old wounds re-open and it was a long recovery but that was all physical and i had no mental recovery which is alot worse.


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