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Massive development planned for east of Athlone

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    murphaph wrote: »
    This sounds indeed like yomeone got burned as is now trying to offload the land onto some unsuspecting Chinese. What these gombeens don't seem to realise is that the Chinese are not a stupid bunch of people, who happily overvalue land and pay for it through the nose.
    A real estate agent in Vancouver might tell you otherwise :D


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    dowlingm wrote: »
    A real estate agent in Vancouver might tell you otherwise :D

    One off special deal for Hong Kong Chinese to had to escape leave before 1997, they were rich and able to set up a community near home.

    The only real comparison Athlone has with Vancouver is spare (overpriced) land.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    One off special deal for Hong Kong Chinese to had to escape leave before 1997, they were rich and able to set up a community near home.
    Yeah right, still coming thirteen years later?
    Vancouver house prices stay robust
    Business reporter and Financial Post/Postmedia October 6, 2010

    Average house prices in the Vancouver area are set to reach record heights this year as Chinese investors drive luxury sales, Re/Max said Tuesday.

    The average house price in the area, while down from its peak in April, remains 16 per cent higher than 2009 levels, the real-estate firm said in a new report.

    Prices are hovering at $667,227, up from $574,061 a year ago, Re/Max said.

    Real-estate values are predicted to stay steady in coming months as fewer new listings arrive and current resale properties are absorbed, the report said.

    "While the number of homes sold by year-end may be off 2009 levels, average price is poised to set a new record in the Greater Vancouver area in 2010," the report said.

    The luxury end of the local market remains robust, it said.

    "Wealthy Chinese immigrants are driving luxury sales, bolstered by China's strong economy, and this phenomenon is expected to continue into 2011," it said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭1huge1


    Ah so, how many months on, any word on this?


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    1huge1 wrote: »
    Ah so, how many months on, any word on this?
    Still up there on cloud nine waiting for permission to land!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 558 ✭✭✭OurLadyofKnock


    I had to laugh when this whole idea was first mentioned. The local gombeens must of been of steroids when they came up with this one.

    Only in Ireland!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Maybe they can power the whole place with a couple of those duff Japanese reactors. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    My guess was that some FF hack needed to sell a lot of land he paid too much for and is now ****ed because FF are out of office. Something on a smaller scale happened in Donegal and a certain minister managed to get Uduras na Gaeltach to buy some seriously price inflated land for no practical reason.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Yea, I re-read the OP's post (from June 2010) and my eyes rolled. Cowen pushing urban sprawl in the midlands.... thank god we kicked those crooks out.

    Athlone could do with some consolidation. The tiger was not kind to the place, in Google Maps it looks like someone dropped a town from a height.


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  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Athlone could do with some consolidation. The tiger was not kind to the place, in Google Maps it looks like someone dropped a town from a height.

    True, there are several "dead spaces" near the centre that could benefit from some sympathetic development, as in some decent town housing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    spacetweek wrote: »

    Athlone could do with some consolidation. The tiger was not kind to the place, in Google Maps it looks like someone dropped a town from a height.

    I think that's the story of most urban areas in Ireland especially where they didn't have large areas of undeveloped land within urban boundary. In which case you get plenty of sprawl. I see Google Earth has improved their coverage of Ireland signifcantly over the last couple months. I wouldn't be surprised if ye start seeing it used in planning meetings in a couple years when people are objecting to development/zoning decisions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    The Google Maps satellite images of Athlone which have only become available recently were probably actually taken a couple of years ago I'd say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    No significant development since then though really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    KevR wrote: »
    The Google Maps satellite images of Athlone which have only become available recently were probably actually taken a couple of years ago I'd say.

    September 7th 2007 to be precise. If you look at lower left hand part of image in Google earth it gives the exact date that the image was taken. If you look at Clara you see the image is from March 18, 2009, thence the fully operational section of the M6 visible in that reel of images. Likewise the new higher resolution images of Ballinasloe are from March 1st 2010


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Wrong Kong has gone into planning.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/athlone-centre-to-create-1500-jobs-155276.html
    Athlone Business Park Ltd, an Irish company, has submitted its planning application to Westmeath County Council for Phase 1 of the proposed international trade and commerce centre on an overall 137 hectare zoned site.

    Phase I to be built on 32 hectares, is costed at €175 million with an estimated 1,500 jobs as well as 1,200 construction jobs.

    John Tiernan, chief executive, said the company is promoting Ireland for several reasons, "including our membership of the EU and the fact that we are English-speaking".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭Technoprisoner


    i havent read the whole thread but i expect this would coincide with the international airport planned for there as well... maybe a main european hub for asian flights.. also it would make absolute econmical sense if china could fly there parts to ireland...assembled in irsh factorys and shipped to the rest of europe stamped as made in ireland ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    i havent read the whole thread but i expect this would coincide with the international airport planned for there as well...

    Get them to pay to conplete the M18 and then they have two international airports within an hour and a halfs drive and motorway the whole way to each.;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    We sold our Wrong Kong out way too cheaply. Look what the Icelandic Wrong Kong project will net their government.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14714524
    Huang Nubo is reported to have offered a billion krona (£5.4m: $8.8m) for the 300sq km (155 sq mile) Grimsstadir a Fjollum region.


    Critics of the plan fear it could be used by China to gain a strategic foothold in Iceland. But Icelandic officials have welcomed the purchase and the further 20bn krona Mr Huang says he intends to invest.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It was always a pipe dream, even this Icelandic idea sounds like they're smoking some good stuff! :pac:


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    We sold our Wrong Kong out way too cheaply. Look what the Icelandic Wrong Kong project will net their government.
    Bring it on! Where do I sign up for Chinese patronage?
    How much is the Athlone investment worth?


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  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    spacetweek wrote: »
    Bring it on! Where do I sign up for Chinese patronage?
    How much is the Athlone investment worth?
    About 10% of what the land speculators paid for it a few years ago!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,600 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Ill believe all this when i see the first sod turned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,310 ✭✭✭patrickbrophy18


    It looks like something out of Extreme Engineering.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    I was having a read of the submissions on the Wrong Kong application (111025 on Westmeath Co Co), and in addition to being surprised as to how many of the objections were submitted on lined notepaper/copybooks, I was taken aback at the opening to An Taisce's submission. Is it really their business (in being a body which is invited to comment on planning apps for presumably heritage reasons) that the proposal "will cost Irish jobs by promoting Chinese exports in Ireland" and is unviable "as a consequence of declining oil production"?

    Surely such assertions are the province of the Chambers of Commerce or the IDA or similar? Does An Taisce routinely advance economic argumentation in their responses to planning documents?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    An Taisce are clueless gobsh1tes. The person asserting those economic facts is probably a graduate scientist on a work placement. Time we stopped fundiing these sleeveens.

    To to Icelandic Wrong Kong project ( cash upfront from China)

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0901/1224303293424.html
    ONE OF China’s best-known property developers Huang Nubo, a poet and mountaineer with extensive Communist Party links, is planning to spend €70 million to buy a 300sq km chunk of Iceland to build a luxury eco-tourism project.


    But the size and location of the site has sparked fears that perhaps the project could be merely a first step in a geopolitical powerplay that might threaten Iceland’s sovereignty. The piece of land in question is nearly one quarter the size of Hong Kong.


    Mr Huang, listed by Forbes magazine as China’s 161st richest person with a net worth of €617 million, has struck a deal with private landowners in Iceland for the tract of land in the Grímsstadir á Fjöllum region, and the luxury development would include an eco-tourism golf resort project, the Financial Times reported.


    “We face the fact that a foreign tycoon wants to buy 300 square kilometres of Icelandic land. We have to discuss it and not swallow without chewing; would we find it all right if the entire country were sold this way?” Iceland interior minister Ögmundur Jónasson told the Iceland Review.
    “People are often too quick to accept offers like these,” he said. The deal requires the approval of both China and Iceland.
    No one has anything to fear, insists Mr Huang.


    “The project is a purely commercial move and has no connection with politics. The concerns are groundless,” he was quoted saying by China’s official new agency, Xinhua.


    A deeply mercantilist nation, China is always looking for ways to expand trade links around the world. Iceland occupies a strategically important location between Europe and North America and could function as a potential hub for Asian cargo should climate change open Arctic waters to shipping.


    An entrepreneur, Mr Huang (55) tends to describe himself as a poet, who writes under the pseudonym Luoying, and he is also famous for his mountaineering exploits in China.


    He is a high-profile capitalist, and he has a reputation as a philanthropist, but his Communist Party credentials are solid.


    Mr Huang is a former propaganda department section chief and has also worked as an administrator at a section of the ministry of construction, one of the agencies responsible for preserving historic sites.


    His company, which he established in 1995, manages many of China’s most famous tourist sites, such as Hongchun in Anhui Province and Zhongdian near Tibet in the southwestern province of Yunnan. Zhongkun is also developing projects in Nashville, Tennessee, and in Los Angeles, and also has interests in Japan.


    His ambitions in Iceland are well documented. Last year he said he was planning to organise a poetry forum in Reykjavik, and he donated €700,000 to the “China-Iceland Culture Fund”.


    Energy is central to the links between China and Iceland at the moment.
    China is the world’s leading investor in alternative energy technologies, and has formed a partnership with Iceland to develop geothermal technologies.
    China’s second biggest oil and gas company, China Petroleum Chemical Corp, has committed to making geothermal one of its main businesses, and has signed a deal with Iceland’s Geysir Green Energy to jointly develop the renewable energy source.


    China has been working hard to forge solid financial links with Iceland, which has been struggling since its economy collapsed in 2008 after a banking crisis, which saw three of its major banks collapse within weeks. Iceland is currently struggling under the weight of a bailout by the International Monetary Fund.


    Iceland has been desperate to improve its access to foreign currency since then and in June last year, Iceland’s central bank, Sedlabanki, signed a currency swap agreement with China worth 66 billion krona (€400 million).
    Political links appear to be very strong, particularly as Iceland appears to feel that China was speedy in stepping in to help when the economy collapsed.


  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On RTE six-one news now, planning has just been granted!

    Chances of a sod being turned, slim I'd say!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    On RTE six-one news now, planning has just been granted!

    Chances of a sod being turned, slim I'd say!

    Well that at least means NAMA can look for slightly better price, after all I can't imagine that cutaway bog carries much a premium normally! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭force eleven


    On RTE six-one news now, planning has just been granted!

    Chances of a sod being turned, slim I'd say!

    Local FF honcho here says this means Tubber airport is going to get the green light.

    Chance of runway light turn on, slim also....:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Application for Maglev from Wrong Kong to Tubber is imminent, door to door via Moate, 5 mins. The Chinese claim to have invented their very own Maglev ( just like they claim to have invented their very own High Speed Train) and wish to demo it in Europe. :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭xper


    ABP have given the green light:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0501/breaking24.html

    An Taisce a bit upset.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Great to see the Ireland ready to embrace another corrupt, totalitarian regime in the interests of filthy lucre - yet again. Ireland has a strong tradition of putting trade before human rights and our long term interests as anybody old enough to endure the shameful spectacle of our 'leaders' grovelling to the rotten regimes in Iran, Iraq and Libya for the sake of a few head of cattle thoughout the 1980s. Why not sell the Chinese somewhere like Killary Harbour for their imminent naval expansion into the Atlantic while we're at it - sure there would be a few jobs for the construction industry? Maybe Shannon too? :rolleyes: Anyway, I still can't see anything happening down in the foggy, boggy midlands.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    Great to see the Ireland ready to embrace another corrupt, totalitarian regime in the interests of filthy lucre - yet again. Ireland has a strong tradition of putting trade before human rights and our long term interests as anybody old enough to endure the shameful spectacle of our 'leaders' grovelling to the rotten regimes in Iran, Iraq and Libya for the sake of a few head of cattle thoughout the 1980s. Why not sell the Chinese somewhere like Killary Harbour for their imminent naval expansion into the Atlantic while we're at it - sure there would be a few jobs for the construction industry? Maybe Shannon too? :rolleyes: Anyway, I still can't see anything happening down in the foggy, boggy midlands.
    How many products do you own or use that are made in China?
    If this project does not go ahead in Ireland it will most likely be built in some other country; so might as well be here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭KindOfIrish


    Great to see the Ireland ready to embrace another corrupt, totalitarian regime in the interests of filthy lucre - yet again.
    Totally agree. If somebody thinks, that China can bring any good to this island, you are very naive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    How many products do you own or use that are made in China?
    If this project does not go ahead in Ireland it will most likely be built in some other country; so might as well be here.

    As few as possible - thank you. Anyway, what about my suggestion of Chinese naval bases for the West coast? Or perhaps we could short circuit things and just become part of China as they appear to be interested in taking over a lot of EU bank debt too. Great people the Chinese.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 266 ✭✭Eileen Down


    The Irish Asian Hub will be the second man made building on the Planet Earth visible from outer-space. It will second only to The Great Wall of China, although it will appear much smaller and less auspicious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    dowlingm wrote: »
    I was having a read of the submissions on the Wrong Kong application (111025 on Westmeath Co Co), and in addition to being surprised as to how many of the objections were submitted on lined notepaper/copybooks, I was taken aback at the opening to An Taisce's submission. Is it really their business (in being a body which is invited to comment on planning apps for presumably heritage reasons) that the proposal "will cost Irish jobs by promoting Chinese exports in Ireland" and is unviable "as a consequence of declining oil production"?

    Surely such assertions are the province of the Chambers of Commerce or the IDA or similar? Does An Taisce routinely advance economic argumentation in their responses to planning documents?

    Sound planning has economic implications as well environmental/heritage. We can see the economic implications of one off housing and now ghost estates on the economy. If the applicant makes references to economics and job creation in their application then there's no reason why An Taisce wouldn't either.

    I saw a model of it the other day and I have to say WTF?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭steamengine


    Wow ! The Bling Dynasty :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭KCAccidental


    Great to see the Ireland ready to embrace another corrupt, totalitarian regime in the interests of filthy lucre - yet again. Ireland has a strong tradition of putting trade before human rights and our long term interests as anybody old enough to endure the shameful spectacle of our 'leaders' grovelling to the rotten regimes in Iran, Iraq and Libya for the sake of a few head of cattle thoughout the 1980s. Why not sell the Chinese somewhere like Killary Harbour for their imminent naval expansion into the Atlantic while we're at it - sure there would be a few jobs for the construction industry? Maybe Shannon too? :rolleyes: Anyway, I still can't see anything happening down in the foggy, boggy midlands.

    when it comes to corruption, I'd say the Chinese would have a fair bit to learn from us!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    一个特殊的炒饭和可口可乐


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    I'm sure we could teach the Chinese a thing or two about corruption. Some nonsense being spouted here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    I'm sure we could teach the Chinese a thing or two about corruption. Some nonsense being spouted here.

    Bad and all as corruption is here we allow free speech, don't occupy other countries (Tibet), threaten our neighbours with invasion/destruction (Taiwan) or plan worldwide military expansion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    Funny that there is (and was) not much about it in the media. Seems like someone doesn't want a big audience, just fast and big business. Once you know recent Chinese migration politics this will be clear as their foothold in Europe. Unofficial information tells about planned 100mln migration to Africa, mostly because their natural resources. I would not expect really too much jobs for Irish either during construction or after. They are building ghetto in the middle of nowhere...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    zom wrote: »
    Funny that there is (and was) not much about it in the media. Seems like someone doesn't want a big audience, just fast and big business. Once you know recent Chinese migration politics this will be clear as their foothold in Europe. Unofficial information tells about planned 100mln migration to Africa, mostly because their natural resources. I would not expect really too much jobs for Irish either during construction or after. They are building ghetto in the middle of nowhere...
    Why do you not expect much jobs for Irish either during construction? We have laws here in relation to employment, working conditions, minimum pay, etc. as well as minimum levels of training for construction operatives (SafePass, CSCS, etc.). Do you think they are going to fly hundred of Chinese guys half way around the world, pay for their accommodation, pay to have them trained up and then pay them the same as Irish guys who are already here and have the required training already? I hate this kind of nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,731 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    Bad and all as corruption is here we allow free speech, don't occupy other countries (Tibet), threaten our neighbours with invasion/destruction (Taiwan) or plan worldwide military expansion.

    So because their foreign policy does not agree with our views on how the world should be we tar an entire civilisation? If that were the case we wouldn't be dealing with the US, UK and many of our European partners.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 ✭✭✭✭Judgement Day


    Bullseye1 wrote: »
    So because their foreign policy does not agree with our views on how the world should be we tar an entire civilisation? If that were the case we wouldn't be dealing with the US, UK and many of our European partners.

    Good to see the spirit of appeasement lives on.

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    Last OT post - I promise!


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  • Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Why do you not expect much jobs for Irish either during construction? We have laws here in relation to employment, working conditions, minimum pay, etc. as well as minimum levels of training for construction operatives (SafePass, CSCS, etc.). Do you think they are going to fly hundred of Chinese guys half way around the world, pay for their accommodation, pay to have them trained up and then pay them the same as Irish guys who are already here and have the required training already? I hate this kind of nonsense.


    It does happen!

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1065219.stm
    Indian stonemasons who were paid just 60p an hour have won £100,000 in compensation from their employers. The 10 men, who all come from the same area, lived in a shack on the site of a temple in North London and were paid a fraction of the minimum wage.
    They were enticed to work in Britain by a promise that they would earn twice the wages they would get in the northern province of Rajasthan.
    Their employers, Shirco Ltd, based in North London, will have to pay them retrospectively to bring their salaries up to the minimum wage of £3.70.
    The £10,000 each will receive is the equivalent of a large fortune in India, where they were earning between 5,000 (£117) and 8,000 (£150) rupees a month.
    Unless someone complains, it'll never be discovered!

    Anyway, listening to the RTÉ news this evening, it appears that the venture needs Chinese investment to happen! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Why do you not expect much jobs for Irish either during construction? We have laws here in relation to employment, working conditions, minimum pay, etc. as well as minimum levels of training for construction operatives (SafePass, CSCS, etc.). Do you think they are going to fly hundred of Chinese guys half way around the world, pay for their accommodation, pay to have them trained up and then pay them the same as Irish guys who are already here and have the required training already? I hate this kind of nonsense.

    Go to the image and see HUGE estate of block of houses on another side of road:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/images/2012/0501/291859_1.jpg?ts=1335942625

    It doesn't looks like houses for that few homeless Irish who will come to find work here. It looks rather like this:

    http://realtybiznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/China-real-estate.jpg

    They will probably be server by local shops and amenities provided by Chinese, products imported from China so I bet this will be Chinese ghetto rather then Irish estate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    zom wrote: »
    Go to the image and see HUGE estate of block of houses on another side of road:

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/images/2012/0501/291859_1.jpg?ts=1335942625

    It doesn't looks like houses for that few homeless Irish who will come to find work here. It looks rather like this:

    http://realtybiznews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/China-real-estate.jpg

    They will probably be server by local shops and amenities provided by Chinese, products imported from China so I bet this will be Chinese ghetto rather then Irish estate.
    Why dont you actually read something about the project rather than making up crap;
    http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/337acre-chinatown-hub-comes-to-athlone-3096482.html
    If plans come to fruition and another five phases can be filled - an estimated €1.4bn development - the full site would be operational by 2022, employing about 9,000 workers, two-thirds of whom must be Irish or European.
    They have not received planning permission for any residential space at all so no ghetto. The site "shall not be used for the purposes of on-site manufacturing, industrial use or retail use (retail use as defined in Class 1 of the Planning and Development Regulations 2001 as amended) unless by way of ancillary retail services required to serve the development, details of which shall be agreed in writing with the Planning Authority." and must be operated as a “single entity” by the developers so the local shops and amenities you talk of will be those in Athlone town. Looks like you have lost that bet.

    And the second photo you have linked is irrelevant, seeing as the tallest building will only be 25m high.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Why do you not expect much jobs for Irish either during construction? We have laws here in relation to employment, working conditions, minimum pay, etc. as well as minimum levels of training for construction operatives (SafePass, CSCS, etc.). Do you think they are going to fly hundred of Chinese guys half way around the world, pay for their accommodation, pay to have them trained up and then pay them the same as Irish guys who are already here and have the required training already? I hate this kind of nonsense.

    The Chinese have done this extensively in Africa. From engineers down to labourers. Actually the locals get some of the labouring jobs.

    Safe Pass is a doddle. If you can do a Leaving Cert in Libya under Gadafy then you can do a safe pass in China no problem.

    Precedent is already there. Didn't the Turkish company that built the power station in Lansboro and other road projects use Turkish workers?

    I just can't see this project working. As an exhibition centre for goods and a distribution hub it's on the periphary of Europe. As a location in Ireland it needs to be beside an international airport.

    I'd imagine we'll see a few crappy apartments and a retail park spring up in a few years. Throw in a Chinese take away as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    I've seen plans (don't know if they've been lodged yet, or indeed what the story is beyond the fact that somebody was paid a lot to draw them up) for a Midlands airport with emphasis on freight. I hope to god it doesn't see the light of day. It's for an area north of Tullamore iirc and definitely isn't on any rail line. It could just be Celtic Tiger nonsense that has since been shelved, but I'd imagine that if somebody came up with the money, the land, and the persuasion (chaps in question have all three) then the county council concerned (Offaly or Westmeath) would be salivating.

    This Shanghai-on-Shannon stuff would be much better placed (as some have mentioned) near Dublin Airport. There's even land just south of it zoned for "General Employment", "Warehousing and Distribution", and "High Technology".

    Even near Shannon Airport would be good. Varadkar was recently talking about a tax incentive scheme like the IFSC but for aviation businesses. The Chinese could piggy back on that no doubt.


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