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Tracksuits, when did so many teenagers just stop bothering with individuality?

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    #122
    old hippy
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    NotVeryHappy wrote: »
    I'm absolutely loaded (seriously), pure class, and the complete opposite of a scumbag.

    Very classy.


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    #123
    yoyo
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Don't think i've ever seen any, they usually have work overalls on. I've never seen a tracksuit wearer in my workplace(employs hundreds) and if they did wear a tracksuit they would be escorted off the premises promptly by security and rightly so. Business Park security would bar them too.

    I seriously hope "common" clothes like jeans and t-shirts aren't worn around there. How could people possibly be allowed lower the tone :pac: . I think some people on this thread will have a heart attack knowing that I wear tracksuits to work, and guess what, no one cares..
    Plenty of skangers/scumbags in the news recently who dress smart in suits and ties, could be related to a certain bank that have cost billions to the tax payer. At least though they "dressed to impress"

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    #124
    Scruffles
    Registered Users Posts: 955 ✭✭✭Scruffles


    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    Nice attitude, and also why many people see some tracksuit wearers as scumbags
    insulting others whilst trying to make a valid point against theirs removes the respect people may have had for them making it, but people who are able to so easily assume a person as belonging to a particular societal group of any kind by what they wear or behave like do not need any convincing from online comments, as there is already a closed minded view of whatever group built up in their mind.

    its great if teens feel like wearing trackies,it means they arent so damn hypervigilant about how they look to other people;peer pressure is a huge problem for regular run of the mill teens and they dont need older people teaching them that they belong to a society created negative group just because they prefer comfort over how they appear to others.

    another user even links low inteligence to skangerism/chavism etc, thats a pretty judgemental view as well.

    as many users know; am intelectualy disabled and have never not been around others without it; none of us are or ever were like so called chavs but on clothing appearance are wrongly assumed to be because we lack the social awareness to give a sht about how we appear to others, people who truly lack regular/academic inteligence [not those in prisons who truented from school,never learnt and obviously gave skewed IQ testing] tend to be friendly to anyone due to the lack of social awareness, as opposed to having the capacity to be the antisocial stereotype of chavism,though many of us have various other issues which flavour this side anyway.

    apart from when the weather is hot am personaly a jogging pants wearer all the time due to acute sensory issues with all other materials, anything else is shorts [football team type shorts],honestly coudnt care what people think, people rarely recognise the clothes though;its elsewhere theyre staring; behavior,the padded helmet,big peltor optime III ear defenders and a wheelie.... they get a good crazy eyed stare back and they look away like naughty little school children.


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    #125
    Pumpkinseeds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,635 ✭✭✭Pumpkinseeds


    Scruffles wrote: »
    insulting others whilst trying to make a valid point against theirs removes the respect people may have had for them making it, but people who are able to so easily assume a person as belonging to a particular societal group of any kind by what they wear or behave like do not need any convincing from online comments, as there is already a closed minded view of whatever group built up in their mind.

    its great if teens feel like wearing trackies,it means they arent so damn hypervigilant about how they look to other people;peer pressure is a huge problem for regular run of the mill teens and they dont need older people teaching them that they belong to a society created negative group just because they prefer comfort over how they appear to others.

    another user even links low inteligence to skangerism/chavism etc, thats a pretty judgemental view as well.

    as many users know; am intelectualy disabled and have never not been around others without it; none of us are or ever were like so called chavs but on clothing appearance are wrongly assumed to be because we lack the social awareness to give a sht about how we appear to others, people who truly lack regular/academic inteligence [not those in prisons who truented from school,never learnt and obviously gave skewed IQ testing] tend to be friendly to anyone due to the lack of social awareness, as opposed to having the capacity to be the antisocial stereotype of chavism,though many of us have various other issues which flavour this side anyway.

    apart from when the weather is hot am personaly a jogging pants wearer all the time due to acute sensory issues with all other materials, anything else is shorts [football team type shorts],honestly coudnt care what people think, people rarely recognise the clothes though;its elsewhere theyre staring; behavior,the padded helmet,big peltor optime III ear defenders and a wheelie.... they get a good crazy eyed stare back and they look away like naughty little school children.
    Scruffles, you've taken my comment out of context. If you read the full post you would see that my post was in response to being called a w*nker. I also did not label all tracksuit wearers as scumbags or say that everyone perceives all tracksuit wearers as scumbags.


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    #126
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    Vicar in a tutu wrote: »
    But what about the black masses in their generic marilyn manson hoodies? or the punks etc? they all look the same as eachother as well.

    Yeah I ain't into that either, a bit of individuality is always a good thing when it comes to clothes


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    #127
    FTA69
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    gurramok wrote: »
    Don't think i've ever seen any, they usually have work overalls on.

    I mean outside of work obviously i.e. in their time off. Plenty of working class people I know in respectable jobs and from decent families wear sports wear. For instance many people in working class areas.

    Simply, don't wear a tracksuit "to look good" as you will simply not look good. Try an alternative look.

    Hold on a second, why should anyone need to "look good" (your phrase) on their day off or while doing mundane tasks or hanging out with friends? Also what in your eyes constitutes "looking good"? Most of the "going out" wear thrown on in Ireland would elicit laughter in the rest of Europe.
    Never said you were a lay about, it was more aimed at the "non-working class" who wear tracksuits every day. I felt that you were letting yourself down dressing like them as you say you're a hard worker.

    There are a few lumpen types who wear tracksuits (many of them also wear jeans etc). My point is that many working class people wear them on a casual basis and more the fool anyone who judges them on that basis alone.


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    #128
    old hippy
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    Personally, in this mild weather, I wear Aloha shirts.


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    #129
    Irish Guitarist
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    Duck's hoop wrote: »
    This thread has lost direction.

    While I see a huge amount of teens wearing grey tracksuits and white runners, I'm not judging them. I'm not lumping them all into some 'skanger' pot, and I'm definitely not some old fogey shaking his head at the folly of today's youth. Exactly the opposite is nearer the truth.

    As has already been asked, where are the sub and counter cultures? The psychobillies, punks, goths, hippies etc?

    One thing about Ireland, and Dublin in particular during the eighties and nineties, there was a thriving alternative scene. Now it's just one homogenous, elasticated, grey flannel puddle of banality.

    I think it's a shame.
    Being part of a 'subculture' is hardly being individual either. The fact that you can label someone a punk or a psychobilly (whatever that is) based on their clothes or musical taste means that there are other people that have already adopted the same look. These people might look like dozens of other people rather than hundreds or thousands of other people, but they're still not totally individual.

    A group of teenagers walking around all wearing mohawks and with safety pins through their noses wouldn't like any more individual from each other than a group of teenagers all dressed in tracksuits would. One might have a different coloured mohawk than the next, but they would still all fit into the easily defined label of punk.

    I once saw a group of teenagers dressed as goths hanging around outside a shopping centre. They were all wearing black clothes and black makeup. They weren't any more individual than a group of teens wearing tracksuits would be. They also started laughing at me and making fun of my clothes (I think I may have been wearing an orange t-shirt at the time). I'd say they were a typical group of loudmouthed teens.


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    #130
    YFlyer
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    There used to be a crazy Gerry on a bus route I use, haven't seen him for a long while now. Angry man with a golf umbrella that had a rubber stopper on the end, didn't seem to matter what bus I caught, crazy Gerry was almost always on it. I think he spent most of his time on that bus route:D

    I heard he tried to become a bus driver.

    We are talking about the chap that be on the buses in Limerick over the past number of years? Always has an umbrella with him.


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    #131
    Pumpkinseeds
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    I heard he tried to become a bus driver.

    We are talking about the chap that be on the buses in Limerick over the past number of years? Always has an umbrella with him.
    That's the chap all right, Jesus the thought of him driving a bus. I'm not sure what sort of mental health problem he has but he can be very aggressive and scary at times. He was very bad the last few times I saw him and I wondered if he'd gone to a secure unit for a while.


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    #132
    Duck's hoop
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    Being part of a 'subculture' is hardly being individual either. The fact that you can label someone a punk or a psychobilly (whatever that is) based on their clothes or musical taste means that there are other people that have already adopted the same look. These people might look like dozens of other people rather than hundreds or thousands of other people, but they're still not totally individual.


    Of course! It's totally pretentious and vain and pointless. But it's great craic. And in some stupid ways it kind of helps you figure out some of what is pointless and pretentious.

    For me it widened my social group, got me interested in different and slightly off beat topics, music, art, authors and politics. Also got me punched a few times and I did look like an idiot but we had a great fücking time pouncing about.

    We may not have been individuals, or as individual as we thought, but we were aware and eager to try to be. It just seems today that it's very mundane, homogenous. Not just the clothes but the whole shooting match.

    I blame Facebook.


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    #133
    YFlyer
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    That's the chap all right, Jesus the thought of him driving a bus. I'm not sure what sort of mental health problem he has but he can be very aggressive and scary at times. He was very bad the last few times I saw him and I wondered if he'd gone to a secure unit for a while.

    I say he be wrecking the bus drivers heads. He be telling them what other drivers be on the other bus routes :D


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    #134
    mcwinning
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    When I have free time or am not in work I always wear sweatpants. They are much more comfortable than any other type of trousers. I couldn't care less if other people think I am lowering the tone or am lazy.


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    #135
    Pumpkinseeds
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    YFlyer wrote: »
    I say he be wrecking the bus drivers heads. He be telling them what other drivers be on the other bus routes :D[/QUOTE
    There are a couple of drivers who won't put up with him and he knows it. There's been a few times when he's gone to board the bus, gotten 'the look' from the driver and gone off muttering.


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    #136
    ToddyDoody
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    Where does our education system foster and promote imagination? If its not encouraged, welcome to healthy profits for the tracksuit peddler.


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    #137
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    Where does our education system foster and promote imagination? If its not encouraged, welcome to healthy profits for the tracksuit peddler.

    When has it ever?


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    #138
    ToddyDoody
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    cometogether wrote: »
    When has it ever?

    The 60s, dude?


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    #139
    YFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    The 60s, dude?

    If You remember the 60s, you were not
    there :P


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    #140
    cometogether
    Registered Users Posts: 588 ✭✭✭cometogether


    ToddyDoody wrote: »
    The 60s, dude?

    Dunno wasn't alive then, kid. But surely you don't mean the Irish education system? This was a system where rapist Christian Brothers punished with violence the sin of playing soccer, individuality indeed!


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    #141
    JenEffy
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    Pumpkinseeds wrote: »
    I suppose it depends on your idea of conformity. I wouldn't describe making an effort and taking a little pride in your appearance as conformity. Conformity to me is just settling into a saggy assed unisex tracksuit with an elasticated waistband. Although there does seem to be a broad spectrum of tracksuit, ranging from the lurid neon all the way through to the cheap heavy grey cotton saggy ones.

    I just don't get the appeal of wearing the same thing as everyone else. At least EMO's make a bit of an effort, you can give them that much. There used to be a lot of style diversity, you just don't really see that much of it these days among teenagers. Usually the teen years are when people experiment with style etc.

    Eh, aren't Emos conforming too?


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    #142
    JenEffy
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    No matter how you dress you'll be conforming to some kind of lifestyle. I don't understand why people care so much about what other people wear. How does it affect you?


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    #143
    theholyghost
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    JenEffy wrote: »
    No matter how you dress you'll be conforming to some kind of lifestyle. I don't understand why people care so much about what other people wear. How does it affect you?

    Conformity! People want everybody to be the same. Teenagers want to be like their peers and people on boards want teenagers to be like them. It's a circle of conformity, man!


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    #144
    BNMC
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