Biggest pitfalls for Irish people in Canada

timmy395 · 26-07-2013 5:28pm

Hello there i am planning maybe travelling to canada for work,
Im a hvm (heavy vehicle mechanic) and i will be coming out of my 4 year apprenticeship now in november with no promise of work . i have been working in bus eireann for the last 4 years so i gained a lot of valuable experience im 21 and will be travelling alone.I intended to go out to work hard and come back with some money behind me to build a house .
I have been searching for the past few weeks for info on jobs but find it confusing. Im looking for
*well paid
*accommodation and food supplied (not essential)
*work in heavy sector mining etc (buses trucks dozer diesel engines etc)
i also have a SIMI tecnitions cert
and have advanced level of automotive engineering and electrical engineering that will hopefully stand to me
i will have a full car bus and rigid lisence going out and hopefully the artic will these carry over does anyone know
could anyone point me in the right direction of where the money is to be made with nice people
thanks vey much

LostOneHelpMe · 26-07-2013 10:51pm

timmy395 wrote: »

Hello there i am planning maybe travelling to canada for work,
Im a hvm (heavy vehicle mechanic) and i will be coming out of my 4 year apprenticeship now in november with no promise of work . i have been working in bus eireann for the last 4 years so i gained a lot of valuable experience im 21 and will be travelling alone.I intended to go out to work hard and come back with some money behind me to build a house .
I have been searching for the past few weeks for info on jobs but find it confusing. Im looking for
*well paid
*accommodation and food supplied (not essential)
*work in heavy sector mining etc (buses trucks dozer diesel engines etc)
i also have a SIMI tecnitions cert
and have advanced level of automotive engineering and electrical engineering that will hopefully stand to me
i will have a full car bus and rigid lisence going out and hopefully the artic will these carry over does anyone know
could anyone point me in the right direction of where the money is to be made with nice people
thanks vey much

Ft MacMurray are crying out for heavy vehicle mechanics its in northern Alberta where all the Oil is being drilled

againstthetide · 26-07-2013 10:55pm

http://ca.indeed.com/Heavy-Duty-Mechanic-jobs-in-Fort-McMurray,-AB

ciaran67 · 27-07-2013 5:22am

CobhLanger wrote: »

Can any body tell me whats the story with heading to Canada for work and converting your Irish Licence or been able to use it as is?

I have a car + trailor Cat BE
Truck not exceeding 7,500 kg Cat C1
Transit bus up to sixteen passengers Cat D1
Tractor Cat W

Also Any Ideas on what they'll be on a Canadian Driving Licence as alot of jobs require certain canadian driving licence cat

Thanks

I think you can swap for a Class 5 but that's it. Any truck stuff you'll have to sit the test again. I did a Class 4 unrestricted which wasnt that hard.

Ardillaun · 21-11-2013 1:43am

montreal2011 wrote: »

I'm guessing that it's excess alcohol consumption! :pac: Canadians like to drink, and many drink a lot, but most don't.

It's not like the drinking scene that you often see in Ireland, where people go out to get fukt; they go out to socialise and enjoy the company and conversation of others; skulling pints and vodka red bull is not the focus!

It's rare to see them fight or get agressive when they drink a lot. To be honest, it's a completely different civilisation!

In over two years I have seen one alcohol related fight, and only one time saw someone ejected from a bar for being too drunk, and he left without a fuss once he was asked! I had never before seen a drunk person accept so calmly that they had too much to drink and should go home! :pac:

If you went to Alberta, you might see a bit more of that kind of thing. I spent four years in Calgary and was struck with the difference between it and Newfoundland in this regard.

zero_ · 30-12-2013 10:58pm

Hi,

Does anyone know what the chances would be for securing secondary school teaching work for next September anywhere in Canada?

Thanks

Celly Smunt · 30-12-2013 11:08pm

I wouldn't say stay away from big cities,id say go to the city where your employment potential is inflated.

For example,somebody in a business background isn't going to be in as much luck in saskatoon though they'd have a better chance in Toronto or Vancouver.

Also why stay in one place?,if you aren't finding anything where you are it's far impossible to re-locate rather than saying "there's no work here,feck it i'm going home".If you're in Toronto and there's a job in St.Johns,take it.

inishowenguy1 · 31-12-2013 4:15am

im 20 years old currently finishing my level 3 diploma in site carpentry. when I finish up I don't want to sit around on the dole rotting! even getting some1 to take me on for work experience for the 3 year course has been a nightmare there is just no work in Ireland

.i was just wondering if I moved to Canada with my qualification would I be able to get work ?I have a brother in the oil sands out there but I would love to continue my trade, any one with any knowledge of the construction industry in Canada would be a great help and thanks in advance

mufcboy1999 · 02-01-2014 2:45pm

I'm 25 years old currently employed but p*ssing in the wind working for in around minimum wage imo. Im either looking at college or Canada for September, Im thinking of forking out a few hundred for my articulated truck license and qualification here , does anyone here work in transport here ? would I be better off getting my qualification in Canada..

Also I've a few years experience laboring on building sites etc from when i was younger, is it hard to get in on the mines as a unskilled laborer? Also qualified to an extent in health and fitness so thats an option too, i suppose.

I'm just looking to go where the money is and earn a decent bit , im not fussed about what kind of work I do. Any tips at all?

cheers

Kippure · 02-01-2014 3:27pm

inishowenguy1 wrote: »

im 20 years old currently finishing my level 3 diploma in site carpentry. when I finish up I don't want to sit around on the dole rotting! even getting some1 to take me on for work experience for the 3 year course has been a nightmare there is just no work in Ireland .i was just wondering if I moved to Canada with my qualification would I be able to get work ?I have a brother in the oil sands out there but I would love to continue my trade, any one with any knowledge of the construction industry in Canada would be a great help and thanks in advance

Apply to work for PCL in Canada. Get yourself a work visa. PCL are huge in Canada and America. They have 1000,s of jobs.:)

http://www.pcl.com/Pages/default.aspx

CBCB2 · 02-01-2014 5:44pm

zero_ wrote: »

Hi,

Does anyone know what the chances would be for securing secondary school teaching work for next September anywhere in Canada?

Thanks

I would do your research before coming over. A friend of mine is a secondary teacher in London, she worked with a guy from St Catharine's Ontario for 2 years. He moved there because he couldn't get a job in Ontario, he moved back to Canada a year ago and has been working in a bank in Toronto every since. He can't get teaching work in Niagara or in Toronto.

Also, I met an unemployed teacher at a Christmas party last week, she said it's very difficult to get in with the school boards here. I didn't ask her much about it to be honest.

That's only my limited experience since I've been here, and it only applies to Ontario so I don't know what the rest of the Provinces are like!

Goodluck!

Sam Swarek · 03-01-2014 8:33am

LostOneHelpMe wrote: »

Ft MacMurray are crying out for heavy vehicle mechanics its in northern Alberta where all the Oil is being drilled

Fort macmurray and Saskatchewan are serious dumps, if your going to either, be prepared for that, put a time limit on it, make some money and get out of there, that's just my experience.
Never underestimate the power of a strong Irish community in a foreign city, they are always a great help when trying to settle into a new country.

tarica · 12-03-2014 7:20pm

UOTE=Yonge Street;77188838]Fair enough Frei. Glad things worked out for you though. I see you're in Edmonton - good choice of a city with plenty of trade work. The hordes of Irish haven't descended upon there yet. Did you originally fly into Edmonton or did you search for work in Toronto/Vancouver first? Also what's your line of work if you don't mind me asking.

If any Irish people planning to come over soon have mates or relatives already in Canada, use their address or phone number to apply for jobs. Once you have an interview lined up in Canada, you can walk off the plane in confidence knowing you're not completely stumbling around in the dark.[/QUOTE]

tarica · 12-03-2014 7:23pm

glad to hear not that scary first time away from home never been abroad don't no my self wat to expect job interview on sun so crosss fingers I get it my name is tarica new to all dis so plz god all will be will glad I came across this comment any more information u can tell me wud be a help cheers

tarica · 12-03-2014 7:34pm

job interview soon for Canada two year contract never been abroad it will be either alberta or calgery not full sure yet new to all this so slightly over whelmed and not sure wat to expect im from Roscommon does anyone no anyone form around that has gone that I cud get in contact with ill be traveling alone so be great to get in contact with someone to get some feed bak off and extra feed bak from anyone else wud be great to . thanks guys wud be much appericated

kitchenchair · 12-03-2014 8:18pm

tarica wrote: »

job interview soon for Canada two year contract never been abroad it will be either alberta or calgery not full sure yet new to all this so slightly over whelmed and not sure wat to expect im from Roscommon does anyone no anyone form around that has gone that I cud get in contact with ill be traveling alone so be great to get in contact with someone to get some feed bak off and extra feed bak from anyone else wud be great to . thanks guys wud be much appericated

Just a wee bit of feedback for ya. Alberta is a province . Calgary is a city within that province, as is Edmonton.

tarica · 12-03-2014 9:07pm

thanks for that

astonaidan · 12-03-2014 10:40pm

As a WHV owner will we be able to sign up for two year contracts or will we have to get pre-paid phones?

gary27 · 12-03-2014 11:51pm

astonaidan wrote: »

As a WHV owner will we be able to sign up for two year contracts or will we have to get pre-paid phones?

I am with fido and was able to get a 2 year contract.

el diablo · 13-03-2014 4:12am

The Canadian dollar has plummeted against the euro and Sterling over the last year so anyone coming to Canada (and planning to send money home to Ireland) should definitely take this into consideration.

cuterob · 13-03-2014 5:15am

zero_ wrote: »

Hi,

Does anyone know what the chances would be for securing secondary school teaching work for next September anywhere in Canada?

Thanks

I got the two year visa last year and written on it it says you are not allowed to do primary or secondary school teaching

deccdn · 14-03-2014 4:29am

zero_ wrote: »

Hi,

Does anyone know what the chances would be for securing secondary school teaching work for next September anywhere in Canada?

Thanks

What are your teaching qualifications? In Ontario, you have to have a certain number of credits from university that are teachable subjects. Ontario has a huge number of qualified teachers who are not working in their field, and are lucky if they even get to do supply work. You might have better luck looking into teaching at a private school. Google CAIS - Canadian Accredited Independent Schools, might have better luck with that. From my experience with my friends/family who are teachers, most spend between 4-6 years doing supply work, or contracts (maternity, stress leave etc) before they are a full time, permanent teacher. You might have better luck going to other provinces, teaching on native reserves in very remote areas, or in youth custody facilities or group homes.

markgisme · 26-03-2014 11:25pm

DazzlerIE wrote: »

Describing Vancouver as overrun with Irish is a bit OTT I think

Not that many here at all

Competition for jobs is huge though, I wouldn't be coming here expecting to get a job in your chosen field easily

I got lucky and got something in mine though (Media) so it is doable

What if you're not looking for a chosen field and more of just a ****ty job to get you buy for 3 months?

africando · 12-11-2015 8:55am

I want to immigrate to Canada but have been told that I need a job offer before applying because it helps quite a bit in terms of points under express entry. I have a few friends who have tried finding work in Canada but have not had success even though they put a lot of work into the process. Is getting a job in Canada even a possibility?

candice31 · 12-11-2015 10:58am

africando wrote: »

I want to immigrate to Canada but have been told that I need a job offer before applying because it helps quite a bit in terms of points under express entry. I have a few friends who have tried finding work in Canada but have not had success even though they put a lot of work into the process. Is getting a job in Canada even a possibility?

hi Africando..... It does take time to find these companies but they are out there. If you do searches on sites like kijij.com and craigslist.com you will occassionally find these type of jobs. Another site that focuses exclusively on LMIA jobs is jobsaloon.com.

Roddy23 · 13-11-2015 5:49pm

africando wrote: »

I want to immigrate to Canada but have been told that I need a job offer before applying because it helps quite a bit in terms of points under express entry. I have a few friends who have tried finding work in Canada but have not had success even though they put a lot of work into the process. Is getting a job in Canada even a possibility?

What field of work are you in? I find there are opportunities over here but its very dependent on which line of work you're in.

FalconGirl · 13-11-2015 10:46pm

Hi,

I want to move to Canada for a few years for a change. I'm currently working as a self employed IT Consultant with 2 years experience and another 7 years working around the Finance sector. I've had a lot of crap happen in my life so want to escape Ireland for a little while and I'm looking to continue on my current career path for a few years abroad.

What are the opportunities in IT/Finance like out there for a 28y/o in this area? I'm only really making the decision now so this is my first point of research. In my mind I hope I will pick up a contract before I head out.

el diablo · 13-11-2015 11:31pm

FalconGirl wrote: »

Hi,

I want to move to Canada for a few years for a change. I'm currently working as a self employed IT Consultant with 2 years experience and another 7 years working around the Finance sector. I've had a lot of crap happen in my life so want to escape Ireland for a little while and I'm looking to continue on my current career path for a few years abroad.

What are the opportunities in IT/Finance like out there for a 28y/o in this area? I'm only really making the decision now so this is my first point of research. In my mind I hope I will pick up a contract before I head out.

Hi, you'll probably get a wider audience if you post a new thread in this forum.

stevie1122 · 22-11-2015 11:29pm

africando wrote: »

I want to immigrate to Canada but have been told that I need a job offer before applying because it helps quite a bit in terms of points under express entry. I have a few friends who have tried finding work in Canada but have not had success even though they put a lot of work into the process. Is getting a job in Canada even a possibility?

It does depend on what you want to do one thing I will say I don't think it's easy to get a job here while there are a lot more jobs then in Ireland theres also a lot more people competing for them. Over here it seems to be about who you know. Myself and all my friends got lucky because we knew people from home that where already living here who got us jobs but only for that I honestly don't know if any of us would have even started our first jobs yet. I came over expecting it to be like the way it was during the Celtic Tiger in Ireland but it's nothing like that also Canada is currently going through a recession nothing on the scale of what Ireland is but you do see shops, restaurants here and there closing down.

Also if your looking for a job to do with something you may have studied in college and you don't have work experience forget it it's difficult enough getting one with experience. Some people I am working with where here over a year before they got that type of job. This place will eat through your savings so unless your loaded I don't think you be able to go over a year here without getting a pay cheque,

As for express entry if you have work experience in your field you should be ok if not I don't think you can't even apply for it.

Long Gone · 24-12-2015 4:26pm

Yonge Street wrote: »

Stay away from Toronto and Vancouver.
You would swear there are only two cities in Canada. Toronto and Vancouver are swamped with the Irish. Seeing a GAA jersey head around is a good indicator to get the f**k outta there.

Amen to that ! - The last time I was at immigration there was some GS in front of me carrying a sports bag that said " The biggest sports shop in Connemara".........:rolleyes:

I immediately thought of that scene in Father Ted where they get lost in the biggest lingerie department in Ireland ! .:D

Jlayay · 25-12-2015 5:41am

I always find these types of threads an interest read because I am a student in Ireland coming from Canada (so the opposite of your situation) and right now I would for certain say the Canadian economy is on the downturn (Canadian dollar is collapsing towards 0.6 USD after being at parity for a while in 2011-2012). Ireland on the other hand seems to be slowly recovering from the recession and with the housing shortage situation in cities like Dublin and Cork I'd say you are better off staying in Ireland than coming to Canada especially if you're in architecture/development/construction.

Long Gone · 26-12-2015 10:44pm

One of the biggest pitfalls is if you ever decide to go back home....

A few years ago a gang of us went back for "The gathering". Some "genius" in Ireland decided that what we would want for entertainment in Central Dublin and on TV on New Years Eve was exactly what we left Ireland to get away from - Some skanger in Jacinta hoop earrings singing bad rockabilly.....

Son · 31-12-2015 7:36pm

In my experience,making new friends is very difficult,I live in Saskatchewan so the people are very different,they don't really get your sense of humour or witty banter but you can still make friends,it just takes a lot of time.
I do get frustrated from people asking me to repeat myself,they can have a hard time understanding the Dub accent and slang words but in time you change and start to talk more of their language.
Being Irish here opens a lot of doors,I have met some very nice people and still do most days,its just when they get behind the wheel of a car they totally change,I can't drive a half mile from my house without somebody right up my ass,even the old granny's at the lights in their v6 Camry's hate when you get ahead lol.
One other 'pitfall' would be the winter,right now it's not too bad but I feel you can only live for 5 months of the year,if you don't have friends you definitely should take a evening hobby or course in something on the other hand if you like sunshine, southern Alberta or Saskatchewan is a good place to be,the sun belt of Canada, the summer is hot and dry,even as I write this now it's a clear blue sky,chilly though.

There's probably more pitfalls when you return to Ireland than when you leave,I will find out in the coming months because my two year visa is up and would rather be back at home having the craic,I will miss the sun though,especially in mid winter.

el diablo · 02-01-2016 12:16am

Long Gone wrote: »

Amen to that ! - The last time I was at immigration there was some GS in front of me carrying a sports bag that said " The biggest sports shop in Connemara".........:rolleyes:

I immediately thought of that scene in Father Ted where they get lost in the biggest lingerie department in Ireland ! .:D

Long Gone wrote: »

One of the biggest pitfalls is if you ever decide to go back home....

A few years ago a gang of us went back for "The gathering". Some "genius" in Ireland decided that what we would want for entertainment in Central Dublin and on TV on New Years Eve was exactly what we left Ireland to get away from - Some skanger in Jacinta hoop earrings singing bad rockabilly.....

Imelda May is a very successful artist who has sold millions of records. I'm guessing Daniel O'Donald, Pat Shortt or Richie Kavanagh would be more your choice as you're from "the shticks". :pac:

silja · 04-01-2016 8:21pm

Mod Note:
Two posts removed for personal attacks/ language. Keep it civil please.

el diablo · 04-01-2016 9:39pm

Personal attacks? We're a sensitive bunch here. :rolleyes:

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astonaidan · 08-01-2016 3:40pm

After a few months at home, its really driven home why Irish people fail in Canada, we really fail to adapt to something different, like how much people over their do you know that is only friends with other irish people, a group of 30 people I know would be like this, I stopped hanging around with them as they only wanted to do the same thing every weekend, get drunk saturday then talk all about how much they drunk on sunday morning.
It really was like living in a parish away from the parish and once I left them I started having a lot more fun and found Toronto quiet a easy enjoyable experience

Long Gone · 08-01-2016 8:11pm

astonaidan wrote: »

After a few months at home, its really driven home why Irish people fail in Canada, we really fail to adapt to something different

You can't just make a general statement that Irish people fail in Canada - I've certainly never failed ! - Far from it. Neither do I accept for one minute that Irish people in general fail in Canada. And contrary to what you state I've found Irish people in general to be a among the most adaptable people going - We wouldn't be in some many different situations in so many different countries around the world if we weren't...... :cool:

Just because you may have hung around with a bunch of parochial losers, don't use that as a basis to make disparaging comments about Irish people in Canada in general ! .:eek:

el diablo · 08-01-2016 8:27pm

Long Gone wrote: »

You can't just make a general statement that Irish people fail in Canada - I've certainly never failed ! - Far from it. Neither do I accept for one minute that Irish people in general fail in Canada. And contrary to what you state I've found Irish people in general to be a among the most adaptable people going - We wouldn't be in some many different situations in so many different countries around the world if we weren't...... :cool:

Just because you may have hung around with a bunch of parochial losers, don't use that as a basis to make disparaging comments about Irish people in Canada in general ! .:eek:

I must agree with my old buddy Long Gone here.

I haven't really seen much evidence of Irish people "failing" over here.

blackbird 49 · 08-01-2016 8:50pm

Are work prospects good in Canada, particularly in Vancover Island, My son went over at the beginning of November, he graduated this year with a BA Hons degree in Computers and German but he will try work at anything, he has so much money with him but can see that going quick enough over time what with paying for rent and other bills, here's hoping something will turn up soon

circular flexing · 08-01-2016 9:08pm

blackbird 49 wrote: »

Are work prospects good in Canada, particularly in Vancover Island, My son went over at the beginning of November, he graduated this year with a BA Hons degree in Computers and German but he will try work at anything, he has so much money with him but can see that going quick enough over time what with paying for rent and other bills, here's hoping something will turn up soon

Why Vancouver Island?

blackbird 49 · 08-01-2016 9:12pm

circular flexing wrote: »

Why Vancouver Island?

He met a Canadian girl when he was in Germany for a year, he is gone over to her that's where she lives

circular flexing · 08-01-2016 9:25pm

blackbird 49 wrote: »

He met a Canadian girl when he was in Germany for a year, he is gone over to her that's where she lives

I can understand that. With computers and German, he might have more luck in Vancouver itself, though trying to get any job without any Canadian experience is not easy, in my experience.

el diablo · 08-01-2016 9:30pm

blackbird 49 wrote: »

Are work prospects good in Canada, particularly in Vancover Island, My son went over at the beginning of November, he graduated this year with a BA Hons degree in Computers and German but he will try work at anything, he has so much money with him but can see that going quick enough over time what with paying for rent and other bills, here's hoping something will turn up soon

He'd probably have better job prospects if he headed across the water to Vancouver.

astonaidan · 12-01-2016 1:21am

Long Gone wrote: »

You can't just make a general statement that Irish people fail in Canada - I've certainly never failed ! - Far from it. Neither do I accept for one minute that Irish people in general fail in Canada. And contrary to what you state I've found Irish people in general to be a among the most adaptable people going - We wouldn't be in some many different situations in so many different countries around the world if we weren't...... :cool:

Just because you may have hung around with a bunch of parochial losers, don't use that as a basis to make disparaging comments about Irish people in Canada in general ! .:eek:

Id honestly find it is the majority who will hang around other Irish, I found the Irish I had met over in Canada who had integrated into Canadian life were much more enjoyable people to around.
Can you honestly never tell me you never heard a friend of yours say something like "these Canadians are no craic"
I was always asked how I kept hanging out with lads from work and the group thought they were dry, its why I cut the Irish out,
In Australia it was the same thing, the Irish who made Aussie friends were the open fun ones that people would talk about, the ones who give us a bad name were the Bondi guys.
Everywhere theirs a group of 10 or more Irish its a parish like it or not

Long Gone · 12-01-2016 10:08pm

astonaidan wrote: »

Id honestly find it is the majority who will hang around other Irish, I found the Irish I had met over in Canada who had integrated into Canadian life were much more enjoyable people to around.
Can you honestly never tell me you never heard a friend of yours say something like "these Canadians are no craic"
I was always asked how I kept hanging out with lads from work and the group thought they were dry, its why I cut the Irish out,
In Australia it was the same thing, the Irish who made Aussie friends were the open fun ones that people would talk about, the ones who give us a bad name were the Bondi guys.
Everywhere theirs a group of 10 or more Irish its a parish like it or not

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hanging around with other Irish people. To only hang around with a clique of Irish guys to the exclusion of anyone else when you're in another country is not a good idea. I do have to say that if you're out to "meet" the local ladies (in America in particular ),they have such a fascination for the Irish and English that it is definitely not a good idea to have an American with you - Much better off on your own or with another "alien".

You're right - I have heard friends say that the Canadians are not much fun ( I wonder why they would say that ? ...........

)

Still think you're generalising too much based on your own limited experience, but fair play for discussing the issue rationally ! .:cool:

alexsmith · 12-01-2016 11:47pm

Long Gone wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hanging around with other Irish people. To only hang around with a clique of Irish guys to the exclusion of anyone else when you're in another country is not a good idea. I do have to say that if you're out to "meet" the local ladies (in America in particular ),they have such a fascination for the Irish and English that it is definitely not a good idea to have an American with you - Much better off on your own or with another "alien".

You're right - I have heard friends say that the Canadians are not much fun ( I wonder why they would say that ? ........... )

Still think you're generalising too much based on your own limited experience, but fair play for discussing the issue rationally ! .:cool:

Don't get me wrong I like the Canadians but I just don't get them and they don't get us. It's just a reality. We are completely different from them and that's fine. Theres a reason why Irish people stick to each other abroad, because they can relate. The craic is an integral part of Irish people's personality and how canadians have fun is different or ****e as some Irish would say. The way Irish people talk to each other is different than if an Irish person was talking to a canadian. I can be myself a bit more when im around people from Ireland.The personalities are different and their attitudes are too and there's nothing wrong with that at all in my opinion.

One thing I have noticed in my two years in Alberta is this. A huge number of people here, I admit, are quite stupid. Lack of "cop on". Maybe I've just been on too many job sites. I hear its different outside Alberta. Rant over

blackbird 49 · 13-01-2016 12:15am

circular flexing wrote: »

I can understand that. With computers and German, he might have more luck in Vancouver itself, though trying to get any job without any Canadian experience is not easy, in my experience.

Good news my son got a job in Web development, it only a 6month contract, but it's gaining experience and you never know what could come out of it

astonaidan · 13-01-2016 9:57pm

Long Gone wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hanging around with other Irish people. To only hang around with a clique of Irish guys to the exclusion of anyone else when you're in another country is not a good idea. I do have to say that if you're out to "meet" the local ladies (in America in particular ),they have such a fascination for the Irish and English that it is definitely not a good idea to have an American with you - Much better off on your own or with another "alien".

You're right - I have heard friends say that the Canadians are not much fun ( I wonder why they would say that ? ........... )

Still think you're generalising too much based on your own limited experience, but fair play for discussing the issue rationally ! .:cool:

I have no problem hanging around with Irish people, my best friend over their was Irish, its the guys who hang around exclusively with Irish are the ones I have a problem with, they create themselfs as world travelers but well....

Honestly I think the Irish think the Canadians arent fun cause we have a massive drinking culture that doesnt exist to them, as Im not a big drinker, I personally would rather go to a basketball game than go out and get smashed, I would easily be a lot more comfortable with Toronto lifestyle than with Irish lifestyle,

My experience isnt really limited, Ive noticed it in every country Ive lived in regarding Irish, my wife is Argentine and she the same as me that she found it strange that if you meet one Irish person in a bar they are 99% of the time with other Irish people.

Biggest pitfalls for Irish people in Canada

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