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Text service being removed from Eircom Landlines

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  • #52
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    In the long run upgrading to an IP panel with free apps, free notifications and free remote access would be the cheapest option. As all these services only require an Internet connection you will never be tied to any provider either.
    Just beware of companies trying to sell or over sell you subscription service for these.
    Siemens, Risco and GSD provide all this for free.
    I was pricing a job the other day where the customer was quoted €120 a year just to use an app to connect to the alarm.


  • #53
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    altor wrote: »
    No it will not effect you if using a GSM-P.
    These systems use there own sim card. Nothing to do with Eircoms Phone service.

    GSM is almost pointless unless it has heartbeat/keepalive

    blocker - 5 dollar :(


  • #54
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    I agree,
    Very frequent polling. Looking into the setting on the new Siemens software you have the ability to set polling as high as you want.


  • #55
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    Darando wrote: »
    Just came across this thread, never heard about fixed line SMS being phased out as currently don't have Eircom as our service provider on the fixed line so didn't get /probably won't get notice about the seice becoming redundant.

    We sue the fixed line SMS of a SW812 and its very handy feature, so when the service disappears then looks like 2 options really?

    GSM-P unit to exisitng panel

    Replace with a new control panel

    What would the cost for either?

    A voice dialler would be your best option.


  • #56
    Zith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭Zith


    Spotted this is the Eircom November roadmap document here

    Withdrawal Fixed SMS Service
    eircom are withdrawing the Fixed SMS service as of the 30 June 2015 to all Operators.

    It's on the bottom of page 24 in the November 2014 roadmap doc.


  • #57
    kub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Zith wrote: »
    Spotted this is the Eircom November roadmap document here

    Withdrawal Fixed SMS Service
    eircom are withdrawing the Fixed SMS service as of the 30 June 2015 to all Operators.

    It's on the bottom of page 24 in the November 2014 roadmap doc.


    I just received an email from the PSA confirming same.


  • #58
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    gctest50 wrote: »
    GSM is almost pointless unless it has heartbeat/keepalive

    blocker - 5 dollar :(

    Heartbeat/keepalive?
    I take it you are comparing to a polling device?

    www.altor.ie



  • #59
    faolteam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭faolteam


    to people who use this service on there alarm ?


  • #60
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    faolteam wrote: »
    to people who use this service on there alarm ?

    Radio would be the hardest to block.
    Polling devices work by missing so many polls but by the time that happens an intruder may be long gone.

    www.altor.ie



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  • #61
    faolteam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭faolteam


    so what would be the best option now


  • #62
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    faolteam wrote: »
    so what would be the best option now

    They are all different and most situations will come down to cost and what the customer is looking for.
    Multi paths is the best option to use.

    www.altor.ie



  • #63
    faolteam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭faolteam


    is Multi paths


  • #64
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    faolteam wrote: »
    is Multi paths

    GSM, Gprs, IP, Radio, digi/voice dialers, dual com. all devices that are used to monitor your alarm. If you use a combination of these its called multi paths.

    www.altor.ie



  • #65
    faolteam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭faolteam


    which would be the cheapest ?


  • #66
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    faolteam wrote: »
    which would be the cheapest ?

    After the initial outlay on buying the device, IP with an app once internet is available in a premises is the cheapest.
    Not the most secure with regards to using one path as could be off for a number of reasons.
    Some will choose GPRS where internet or a line is not available.
    Some will choose a GSM if they have no line either.
    Some will choose a voice dialer if they just have a phone line.
    Some will choose Radio where no line or internet is available also.
    Dual com can also be used which polls to the monitoring station.
    Its all about what suits a customer and budget.
    Do they want to self monitor the system, do they want it monitored by a monitoring station.
    To be honest every device used to monitor your alarm has flaws, that's why multi paths where available are used to back each other up.
    I am not saying every system out there has this but with this becoming cheaper to do then its becoming more popular.

    www.altor.ie



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  • #67
    faolteam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭faolteam


    i have internet but if i get rid of eircom i will have no line my alarm is a HKC Quantum 70


  • #68
    deandean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,236 ✭✭✭deandean


    I got a letter from Eircom today announcing increases in every part of my contract plan, plus termination of the SMS service as of June 30th 2015.

    It'll be 'bye bye Eircom'.


  • #69
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    faolteam wrote: »
    i have internet but if i get rid of eircom i will have no line my alarm is a HKC Quantum 70

    If you get rid of your Eircom line are you planing to get another service provider?

    www.altor.ie



  • #70
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    deandean wrote: »
    I got a letter from Eircom today announcing increases in every part of my contract plan, plus termination of the SMS service as of June 30th 2015.

    It'll be 'bye bye Eircom'.

    A lot of people doing the same.
    Just dont like the UPC straight down the front of the house.

    www.altor.ie



  • #71
    faolteam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭faolteam


    altor wrote: »
    If you get rid of your Eircom line are you planing to get another service provider?

    just have none


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  • #72
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    faolteam wrote: »
    just have none

    A GSM would be the cheapest solution.
    You can use a ready to go sim with the GSM.

    www.altor.ie



  • #73
    faolteam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭faolteam


    Altor ill be in touch maybe you could pm me how much it would cost thanks


  • #74
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    faolteam wrote: »
    Altor ill be in touch maybe you could pm me how much it would cost thanks

    Thats no problem.

    www.altor.ie



  • #75
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    Hi,

    Can someone give me the cost of installing a Siemans panel and dialler that would use LAN and a link to what it looks like and to confirn cost of the panel and dialler?

    Thanks


  • #76
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    Hi,

    Can someone give me the cost of installing a Siemans panel and dialler that would use LAN and a link to what it looks like and to confirn cost of the panel and dialler?

    Thanks

    Here is a link to the App.
    For pricing an install you would need to contact local installers.
    Here is a link to the PSA website of installers.

    www.altor.ie



  • #77
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    altor wrote: »
    Here is a link to the App.
    For pricing an install you would need to contact local installers.
    Here is a link to the PSA website of installers.

    Thanks, is there a link to the appropriate Siemans panels and LAN dialler you can give me too?


  • #78
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    Thanks, is there a link to the appropriate Siemans panels and LAN dialler you can give me too?

    Here you go.

    www.altor.ie



  • #79
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    altor wrote: »
    Here you go.

    Thanks again. Generally how much would it be for a panel and LAN dialler to replace a HKC panel and dialler including installation or how much just for those items?


  • #80
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    Thanks again. Generally how much would it be for a panel and LAN dialler to replace a HKC panel and dialler including installation or how much just for those items?

    Prices can vary, you would need to contact local installers to compare prices for an installation.

    www.altor.ie



  • #81
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    altor wrote: »
    Prices can vary, you would need to contact local installers to compare prices for an installation.

    Grand. But the equipment itself would be around how much for the above panel and LAN card? I couldn't see any prices on the website provided?


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  • #82
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    Grand. But the equipment itself would be around how much for the above panel and LAN card? I couldn't see any prices on the website provided?

    Here is a link to the suppliers list if you want to ring for pricing.

    www.altor.ie



  • #83
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    altor wrote: »
    Here is a link to the suppliers list if you want to ring for pricing.

    I did get a quote for a Siemans panel and LAN dialler of €450 including installation during the week. Seemed steep. I'm wondering is it?


  • #84
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    For Siemens IP panel with keypad battery and installation? That's not bad.


  • #85
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    I did get a quote for a Siemans panel and LAN dialler of €450 including installation during the week. Seemed steep. I'm wondering is it?

    Great price, I would go for it if that's what you want installed.

    www.altor.ie



  • #86
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    When does this service actually get withdrawn?


  • #87
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    When does this service actually get withdrawn?

    End of June.

    www.altor.ie



  • #88
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    altor wrote: »
    Great price, I would go for it if that's what you want installed.

    Based on the following price list it is dear no as I would only need the SPC4000 which is €218?

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/644434/270639.jpg


  • #89
    altor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,764 ✭✭✭✭altor


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    Based on the following price list it is dear no as I would only need the SPC4000 which is €218?

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/644434/270639.jpg

    If you add installation, vat plus other costs the first price you received was great value.

    www.altor.ie



  • #90
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Not to mention insurance, diesel road tax just for starters.


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  • #91
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    altor wrote: »
    If you add installation, vat plus other costs the first price you received was great value.

    That price includes VAT.

    So, are you telling me I'm being charged €232 to have it installed?

    Insurance, road tax etc business expenses surley tax deductable?!


  • #92
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    That price includes VAT.

    So, are you telling me I'm being charged €232 to have it installed?

    Insurance, road tax etc business expenses surley tax deductable?!

    Lol


  • #93
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    fred funk }{ wrote: »
    Lol

    What's so funny?


  • #94
    Sequence 365
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Sequence 365


    If you ring a company to clear a blocked drain you will pay call out charge & an hourly rate
    If you call an IT company out they also will charge by the hour & not cheap.

    That is a very good price as that company
    1st Must collect your equipment
    2nd Drive to your premises
    3rd Strip out your old alarm panel
    4th Install your new control panel, test & commission
    5th Do you an invoice , lodge your payment
    6th Give you a 3 year warranty

    7th If it is a registered company they have the following expenses

    PSA Licence
    NSAI or EQA Licence
    Public & Product Insurance
    Stationery
    Bank Charges
    Account Fees
    Vehicle payments & servicing
    Tax. & Insurance
    Diesel
    Toll & parking expenses

    There a lot of costs involved & you factor them all in that company has no big profit margin on your quotation


  • #95
    Sequence 365
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Sequence 365


    If you ring a company to clear a blocked drain you will pay call out charge & an hourly rate
    If you call an IT company out they also will charge by the hour & not cheap.

    That is a very good price as that company
    1st Must collect your equipment
    2nd Drive to your premises
    3rd Strip out your old alarm panel
    4th Install your new control panel, test & commission
    5th Do you an invoice , lodge your payment
    6th Give you a 3 year warranty

    7th If it is a registered company they have the following expenses

    PSA Licence
    NSAI or EQA Licence
    Public & Product Insurance
    Stationery
    Bank Charges
    Account Fees
    Vehicle payments & servicing
    Tax. & Insurance
    Diesel
    Toll & parking expenses

    There a lot of costs involved & you factor them all in that company has no big profit margin on your quotation


  • #96
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    Sequence 365 wrote: »
    If you ring a company to clear a blocked drain you will pay call out charge & an hourly rate
    If you call an IT company out they also will charge by the hour & not cheap.

    That is a very good price as that company
    1st Must collect your equipment
    2nd Drive to your premises
    3rd Strip out your old alarm panel
    4th Install your new control panel, test & commission
    5th Do you an invoice , lodge your payment
    6th Give you a 3 year warranty

    7th If it is a registered company they have the following expenses

    PSA Licence
    NSAI or EQA Licence
    Public & Product Insurance
    Stationery
    Bank Charges
    Account Fees
    Vehicle payments & servicing
    Tax. & Insurance
    Diesel
    Toll & parking expenses

    There a lot of costs involved & you factor them all in that company has no big profit margin on your quotation

    Come on now. The cost to install is more than the device cost!!!


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  • #97
    Sequence 365
    Registered Users Posts: 104 ✭✭Sequence 365


    notahappycamper wrote: »
    Come on now. The cost to install is more than the device cost!!![/

    Ok if you asked an Electrican to change a fuse board what way do think there charges would be and their RECI licence is a lot cheaper than ours
    Just an example

    You should get two more quotations for the same job and compare them .


  • #98
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    Can I ask where that price list is from?
    If that price includes vat a few reps will be getting calls from me.


  • #99
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    KoolKid wrote: »
    Can I ask where that price list is from?
    If that price includes vat a few reps will be getting calls from me.

    I'm not sure but it was posted in this forum a year or two ago.

    I can sure see why it would aggravate a lot of installers...


  • #100
    notahappycamper
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    KoolKid wrote: »
    Can I ask where that price list is from?
    If that price includes vat a few reps will be getting calls from me.

    Is the price on that list incorrect? How much does it cost to buy that panel?


  • #101
    KoolKid
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 24,789 Mod ✭✭✭✭KoolKid


    That's convenient. You come on here making claims re the prices you post and you have nothing to back it up.
    I would suggest that those prices have increased in the past couple of years. I would also suggest that they are exclusive of vat. No suppliers would create a price list that includes vat.
    As advised, get a few quotes and see how you get on. The percentage of price related to the equipment price is irrelevant.
    If I replace something that costs €10 should I charge you €15?


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