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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 2] *Poll Reset*

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  • #2
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    In before the 10000 post lock on this one!


  • #3
    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    emo72 wrote: »
    no absolutely not. i dunno where you got idea from?

    keep borrowing we're screwed.

    don't borrow we're screwed.

    when we nationalised private debt, thats when it became game over. we ran out of choices that day. either the troika allow us to write off debt or.......we default. not arguing with anyone here, thats my view. it seems clear to me.


    So the econonmy can't afford to have €3.5bn taken out of it but it can afford to have €16bn over night? The country will pretty much be a write off if we had to do that tomorrow.


  • #4
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    cheeky mod, stealing the glory of the 10,000th post


  • #5
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    Still no.


  • #6
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Well done sam on getting the final post in part 1.


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  • #7
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    KeithM89 wrote: »
    [Part 2]

    This is a continuation of this thread.

    No trolling or flaming or face a €100 fine.

    aaaannnnddddddddddd go.....

    This is the first time ever in AH a thread has reached 10000 posts. That's amazing. Should we do something to celebrate?


  • #8
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    And, we're off.......

    DON'T REGISTER / DON'T PAY


  • #9
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    the groutch wrote: »
    cheeky mod, stealing the glory of the 10,000th post

    Cheeky Mod - taking the wind out of my reply to Alistair :(

    Here it is anyways.....

    Also Al, the €90,000,000 extra in interest payments on the increased debt the brilliant Baldy Noonan just managed to negotiate in Brussels must now be paid for - so higher taxes all around.

    Excellent Turner cartoon in the IT today (I'm nearly surprised they published it) - we have Noonan descending from a plane, Chamberlain-style, holding a piece of paper saying

    "AUSTERITY NOW - PAY LATER"

    The pithiest summary of the illegitimate Regime's economic policies I've seen


  • #10
    jonon9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭jonon9


    What if this charge is dropped in the end what about all the people that paid the 100 euros do they get there money back?


  • #11
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    The thread poll figures are a little redundant now, I reckon.


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  • #12
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Well done sam on getting the final post in part 1.

    Thanks Gerry, can I be exempt from paying?:p


  • #13
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    The postings have slowed now the 10,000th post target is gone.


  • #14
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    @KeithM89: What happened to the poll question? It has completely changed.


  • #15
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Seeing the old thread with 9999 posts gives me a massive unscratched itch of some kind.


  • #16
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Yea, no fun now.
    Time for a chinky and a bottle of wine.
    All this protesting has me starving and thirsty.......:D


  • #17
    KeithM89_old
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,806 ✭✭✭✭KeithM89_old


    dvpower wrote: »
    @KeithM89: What happened to the poll question? It has completely changed.

    Well since the deadline is practically up i thought past tense is more suited. Il change it back if ye wish.


  • #18
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    dvpower wrote: »
    @KeithM89: What happened to the poll question? It has completely changed.

    It got into government........


  • #19
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,065 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Paid just to piss off the non payers


  • #20
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Yea, no fun now.
    Time for a chinky and a bottle of wine.
    All this protesting has me starving and thirsty.......:D

    Aww. I was looking forward to hearing how regular teachers (ordinary PS workers) - who you don't blame for the excesses of the PS 'fat cats' - should lose their income for the duration of school holidays, but not in a 'blamey' fashion.


  • #21
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Paid just to piss off the non payers

    Genius!


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  • #22
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Aww. I was looking forward to hearing how regular teachers (ordinary PS workers) - who you don't blame for the excesses of the PS 'fat cats' - should lose their income for the duration of school holidays, but not in a 'blamey' fashion.

    What happened, did it take you 10 mins to find us?


  • #23
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    What happened, did it take you 10 mins to find us?

    Given that I've posted in this thread before you - no. I don't think so.


  • #24
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Aww. I was looking forward to hearing how regular teachers (ordinary PS workers) - who you don't blame for the excesses of the PS 'fat cats' - should lose their income for the duration of school holidays, but not in a 'blamey' fashion.
    Actually what I suggested was that the half a billion in allowances should be cut out.
    Good enough for ya?
    Do you not think that the 'allowance culture/sense of entitlement culture' should be got rid of?


  • #25
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Actually what I suggested was that the half a billion in allowances should be cut out.
    Good enough for ya?

    Hmm:
    Give them 4 weeks paid leave and 8 weeks unpaid.


  • #26
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    KeithM89 wrote: »
    Well since the deadline is practically up i thought past tense is more suited. Il change it back if ye wish.
    Meh. Meaningless figures anyway.

    But the deadline hasn't passed. A deadline has.
    People are still free to pay the tax and I reckon there are a lot of people out there that were willing to pay the €11 in interest and penanlties to give the government a bloody nose, but who have no intention of withholding payment in the long term.


  • #27
    the groutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Paid just to piss off the non payers

    them sounds like fightin words!


  • #28
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    Aww. I was looking forward to hearing how regular teachers (ordinary PS workers) - who you don't blame for the excesses of the PS 'fat cats' - should lose their income for the duration of school holidays, but not in a 'blamey' fashion.

    There is no such thing as an 'ordinary' public sector worker. The preferential treatment afforded them is quite extraordinary and borders on the discriminations towards the rest of us - who are expected to pick up the tab for their gravy train.


  • #29
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    No.
    Didn't register nor pay.

    ...Either did my sister (a council office worker) or my old parents either,


  • #30
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    dvpower wrote: »
    Meh. Meaningless figures anyway.

    But the deadline hasn't passed. A deadline has.
    People are still free to pay the tax and I reckon there are a lot of people out there that were willing to pay the €11 in interest and penanlties to give the government a bloody nose, but who have no intention of withholding payment in the long term.

    Maybe you should get a job as a clairvoyant.:rolleyes:


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  • #31
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    There is no such thing as an 'ordinary' public sector worker. The preferential treatment afforded them is quite extraordinary and borders on the discriminations towards the rest of us - who are expected to pick up the tab for their gravy train.

    That'll be another vote for taking wages away from teachers during school holidays then?


  • #32
    Freddie59
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    alastair wrote: »
    That'll be another vote for taking wages away from teachers during school holidays then?

    Actually no. Just give them the same working hours, wages, conditions and holidays as the rest of us and I'd be quite happy.


  • #33
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    Hmm:
    I did a U-turn on that one, following our government's example.


  • #34
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Maybe you should get a job as a clairvoyant.:rolleyes:

    To join the one who can expound on the MILLION who are protesting against the tax by refusing to pay?


  • #35
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Actually no. Just give them the same working hours, wages, conditions and holidays as the rest of us and I'd be quite happy.

    You have the same working hours, wages, conditions and holidays as me?


  • #36
    gerryo777
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    alastair wrote: »
    You have the same working hours, wages, conditions and holidays as me?

    Answer my question there, post 24.


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  • #37
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    KeithM89 wrote: »
    Il change it back if ye wish.

    Good God don't! I've got over the shock ;)


  • #38
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Answer my question there, post 24.

    That's an entirely subjective statement. You could ask that of someone you believe to be fully embedded in a culture of entitlement, and they'd probably agree with you. Everyone loves apple pie, and hates waste. You need to define specifics.


  • #39
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    There is no such thing as an 'ordinary' public sector worker. The preferential treatment afforded them is quite extraordinary and borders on the discriminations towards the rest of us - who are expected to pick up the tab for their gravy train.

    How have you come to this conclusion? How many PS workers do you know?


  • #40
    dvpower
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Maybe you should get a job as a clairvoyant.:rolleyes:
    In this economy?


  • #41
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    hondasam wrote: »
    How have you come to this conclusion? How many PS workers do you know?

    He's very familair with gravy train drivers. He reckons they should be privatised.


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  • #42
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,288 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Went out for a bit and only back now. Couldn't find yis at all and thought Hulk Hogan gave in and cancelled the whole thing !!
    Bit early maybe.


  • #43
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Just back from my meal and shopping.

    I was told by another member on the other thread that Im a FF man.

    In the election before last years election,I voted for FF,as did most of the country.

    Last year I voted for FG as I actually believed the (now total bullsh1t) prommises that Enda Kenny was making and that FG were pedaling.



    Now,the reason why I have not bothered to pay up is that I have been lied to over and over again by Enda Kenny.

    So while he and his ministers all get pay hikes,give their advisors 37K salary increases,give bank directors bigger salaries and blow wads of tax payers money on laundry bills,expensive nights out and port tunnel trips at peak hour,the rest of the country is told to shut up,buck down and do the decent thing and accept these austerity measures....even thoughs ITS NOT OUR FAULT (remember the address to the nation speech).

    And then,ontop of all that,these ministers are actually exempt for the household charge too (if its true what I was told this afternoon by a chef).



    Sorry but....NO FCUKING WAY will I bow down and pay this 100 euro charge when the goverment laughs in the Irish peoples faces and keeps on telling lies.


  • #44
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Just back from my meal and shopping.

    I was told by another member on the other thread that Im a FF man.

    In the election before last years election,I voted for FF,as did most of the country.

    Last year I voted for FG as I actually believed the prommises that Enda Kenny was makning and that FG were pedaling.



    Now,the reason why I have not bothered to pay up is that I have been lied to over and over again by Enda Kenny.

    So while he and his ministers all get pay hikes,give their advisors 37K salary increases,give bank directors bigger salaries and blow wads of tax payers money on laundry bills,expensive nights out and port tunnel trips at peak hour,the rest of the country is told to shut up,buck down and do the decent thing and accept these austerity measures....even thoughs ITS NOT OUR FAULT (remember the address to the nation speech).



    Sorry but....NO FCUKING WAY will I bow down and pay this 100 euro charge when the goverment laughs in the Irish peoples faces and keeps on telling lies.


    First of all was it sirloin or t bone?

    Second, did u spend all of the €100

    third, still rte talk about the 700k plus that have paid, not the 900k that have not

    And, NO, I wont pay it, its immoral and wrong. Now we hear that teachers have been sharing a 500m windfall every year for the last 5 years, what other c rap is in the croke park agreement. the public service needs to be sorted, no way am I paying for somehting i already paid for and no way am i paying another €100 for 8 concil men (on average) to stand around and look into an empty hole.


  • #45
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭emo72


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Just back from my meal and shopping.

    I was told by another member on the other thread that Im a FF man.

    In the election before last years election,I voted for FF,as did most of the country.

    Last year I voted for FG as I actually believed the prommises that Enda Kenny was makning and that FG were pedaling.



    Now,the reason why I have not bothered to pay up is that I have been lied to over and over again by Enda Kenny.

    So while he and his ministers all get pay hikes,give their advisors 37K salary increases,give bank directors bigger salaries and blow wads of tax payers money on laundry bills,expensive nights out and port tunnel trips at peak hour,the rest of the country is told to shut up,buck down and do the decent thing and accept these austerity measures....even thoughs ITS NOT OUR FAULT (remember the address to the nation speech).



    Sorry but....NO FCUKING WAY will I bow down and pay this 100 euro charge when the goverment laughs in the Irish peoples faces and keeps on telling lies.

    paddy, i didnt vote FG/FF in the last election. if we want real change we need to keep that shower out. labour and the greens not much better.

    all i can say is well done to the mainstream parties for chasing the electorate into the arms of the likes of sinn fein. its true, theres nearly no one worth voting for. whatever you do Paddy dont go back to to FF!


  • #46
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    Royal Legend wrote: »
    First of all was it sirloin or t bone?

    Second, did u spend all of the €100

    third, still rte talk about the 700k plus that have paid, not the 900k that have not

    Sirloin.

    All 100 euro spent (meal and some bits and bobs for me and for the house)

    Yep,RTE isnt biased,is it???:rolleyes:

    Kenny hasnt got the balls to go TV3 as he knows that they would tear him a new ar5ehole.:D


  • #47
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Just back from my meal and shopping.

    I was told by another member on the other thread that Im a FF man.

    In the election before last years election,I voted for FF,as did most of the country.

    Last year I voted for FG as I actually believed the (now total bullsh1t) prommises that Enda Kenny was making and that FG were pedaling.



    Now,the reason why I have not bothered to pay up is that I have been lied to over and over again by Enda Kenny.

    So while he and his ministers all get pay hikes,give their advisors 37K salary increases,give bank directors bigger salaries and blow wads of tax payers money on laundry bills,expensive nights out and port tunnel trips at peak hour,the rest of the country is told to shut up,buck down and do the decent thing and accept these austerity measures....even thoughs ITS NOT OUR FAULT (remember the address to the nation speech).

    And then,ontop of all that,these ministers are actually exempt for the household charge too (if its true what I was told this afternoon by a chef).



    Sorry but....NO FCUKING WAY will I bow down and pay this 100 euro charge when the goverment laughs in the Irish peoples faces and keeps on telling lies.

    Firstly - Ministers (and TD's in general) are not exempt - unless they happen to live in one of the designated unfinished estates.

    Secondly - most of us did not vote for FF back then. 41.6% of those who voted, voted FF.

    Thirdly - it pretty much is your fault if you voted those jokers in. Their cosy arrangements with the property industry and greater corruption wasn't exactly a secret, was it?


  • #48
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    Did the no campaign succeed in getting the charge scrapped after haven't seen the news today!!!


  • #49
    paddy147
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,858 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    alastair wrote: »
    Firstly - Ministers (and TD's in general) are not exempt - unless they happen to live in one of the designated unfinished estates.

    Secondly - most of us did not vote for FF back then.

    Thirdly - it pretty much is your fault if you voted those jokers in. Their cosy arrangements with the property industry and greater corruption wasn't exactly a secret, was it?

    So is it my fault then that I actually believed what FG were prommising,voted for Enda Kenny and FG,but they have told nothing but lies since day 1.

    Its my fault for that then too????:rolleyes:

    But didnt Enda tell me,via my TV,that it wasnt my fault for the mess???


  • #50
    Roverek
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19 ✭Roverek


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    There is no such thing as an 'ordinary' public sector worker. The preferential treatment afforded them is quite extraordinary and borders on the discriminations towards the rest of us - who are expected to pick up the tab for their gravy train.

    And I know social worker, she gets 50000 a year working from 9-4pm. Sorry she is at work from 9-4pm. She is working 3 h daily the most with 2 months holidays. She helps poor families. She thought Chlid Benefit was 140 a week, just to mention one of her believes. PS are overpaid ignorants employed by Mr Nepotism living in the LooLoo land.


  • #51
    Royal Legend
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭Royal Legend


    emo72 wrote: »
    paddy, i didnt vote FG/FF in the last election. if we want real change we need to keep that shower out. labour and the greens not much better.

    all i can say is well done to the mainstream parties for chasing the electorate into the arms of the likes of sinn fein. its true, theres nearly no one worth voting for. whatever you do Paddy dont go back to to FF!


    Politics is all a game, the most important thing in fine gaels mind tonight is to celebrate that they are in government, slapping each other on the back about how they won back power, drinking champagne and wine, telling phil hogan what a clever fella he is on winning them the election and how the plebs refusing to pay his social charge are just sinn fein activists, (all 900,000 of them) plus then in front of the cameras throwing around rhetoric about saving the country and how they inherited the problem and that they have no choice etc etc.

    All fine gael care about is power, they lied to get power and now they continue to lie while in power. this is still about civil war politics and at present the blueshirts are on top. to them, that is all that matters, they have no plan of their own, we are being run by europe. we have clueless people in charge, who have not got a clue how to solve our issues and who have no concept of what the ordinary joe soap goes through every day.


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