SAS Operating in Ireland (Republic of)

PatsytheNazi · 14-02-2011 2:56pm

Here's the report on the arrest of the SAS in Monaghan. It should be noted that their arrest happened 4 days after the brutal murder of 46-year-old Seamus Ludlow having picked him up as he hitched a lift out of Dundalk and dumped his body near his home.

"The alert Garda, in compliance with his duty, ordered the men to step out of the car. They were very reluctant until, unknown to the men, members of the Irish Army, rifles at the ready, stepped out of the bushes when they realised that the Garda’s instructions were not being obeyed. Surrounded in their car by Irish soldiers pointing rifles at them, the men’s attitude dramatically changed. They stepped out of the car and meekly submitted. When the Garda searched their vehicle they were surprised to discover two sub machine guns, pump action shotguns and a number of hand guns. "

" Not only that but about 20 minutes after the first two men were arrested and taken under escort to Omeath station a second vehicle, containing six men drove up to the checkpoint. They too were armed and claimed that they were searching for the first car. "

http://www.seamusludlow.com/argus030506.htm

Fratton Fred · 14-02-2011 3:48pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

''The SAS in Ireland'' by Raymond Murray is the best book written on the subject. Raymond Murray has worked with Amnesty International and other human rights groups on state sponsored murder, torture etc Like an Amnesty report, the book is written in clinical and factual fashion unlike the self glofyification daring do adventure stories of how the SAS took out the ' terrorists ' while hiding in a ditch for a week surviving on rats p!ss in sub zero temperatures etc, etc

I guess that answers the question on the neutrality of the book.

cyrusdvirus · 14-02-2011 3:52pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I guess that answers the question on the neutrality of the book.

Oh stop poking him, you know he thrives on the attention.

Funfair · 14-02-2011 4:26pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

self glofyification daring do adventure stories of how the SAS took out the ' terrorists ' while hiding in a ditch for a week surviving on rats p!ss in sub zero temperatures etc, etc

lol

Andy McNab comes to mind..

PatsytheNazi · 14-02-2011 4:38pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I guess that answers the question on the neutrality of the book.

If anything isn't " the British army the greatest army in the World " - it's unbalanced and baised with you isn't it

cyrusdvirus · 14-02-2011 4:51pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

If anything isn't " the British army the greatest army in the World " - it's unbalanced and baised with you isn't it

Whereas with you if any thing isn't " The PIRA and their buds are brilliant and the Brits are all a bunch of bunglers in the SAS or bloodthirsty killers in the regular army" it's unbalanced and biased.

danbohan · 14-02-2011 5:06pm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I guess that answers the question on the neutrality of the book.

the neutrality of the book might be questionable , yours however was never in any doubt ,

RMD · 14-02-2011 6:41pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

''The SAS in Ireland'' by Raymond Murray is the best book written on the subject. Raymond Murray has worked with Amnesty International and other human rights groups on state sponsored murder, torture etc Like an Amnesty report, the book is written in clinical and factual fashion unlike the self glofyification daring do adventure stories of how the SAS took out the ' terrorists ' while hiding in a ditch for a week surviving on rats p!ss in sub zero temperatures etc, etc

Quite true Patsy, I'll agree on that. But as much as you hate the "glorious SAS did no wrong" bias, I also hate the "IRA freedom fighters were shot indiscriminately by the SAS devil-worshiping monsters" type crap which this book is supposedly filled with. I want an unbiased book, a book which is straight down the middle and details both sides as how they were. Both were killers and scumbags, I want a book that doesn't glorify one and demonise the other.

goldie fish · 14-02-2011 9:33pm

RMD wrote: »

Quite true Patsy, I'll agree on that. But as much as you hate the "glorious SAS did no wrong" bias, I also hate the "IRA freedom fighters were shot indiscriminately by the SAS devil-worshiping monsters" type crap which this book is supposedly filled with. I want an unbiased book, a book which is straight down the middle and details both sides as how they were. Both were killers and scumbags, I want a book that doesn't glorify one and demonise the other.

Have you read "Big Boys Rules"?

RMD · 14-02-2011 9:59pm

goldie fish wrote: »

Have you read "Big Boys Rules"?

No just googled it there, certainly does look like a good read. The idea of PMCs has always interested me, the likes of Blackwater (now called Xe group) are certainly a interesting bunch to read about. I don't really see what relevance it holds though to a SAS (seemingly IRA) related thread though.

Dogwatch · 14-02-2011 11:52pm

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

Here's the report on the arrest of the SAS in Monaghan. It should be noted that their arrest happened 4 days after the brutal murder of 46-year-old Seamus Ludlow having picked him up as he hitched a lift out of Dundalk and dumped his body near his home.

Read this Patsy and then explain how you connected the SAS with the murder of Seamus Ludlow.

http://www.seamusludlow.com/

Yet more unsubstansiated propoganda as usual

Funfair · 15-02-2011 4:08pm

RMD wrote: »

I don't really see what relevance it holds though to a SAS (seemingly IRA) related thread though.

The book Title is... "Big Boys' Rules: The SAS and the Secret Struggle Against the IRA"

were you on the beer last night

RMD · 15-02-2011 8:59pm

Funfair wrote: »

The book Title is... "Big Boys' Rules: The SAS and the Secret Struggle Against the IRA"

were you on the beer last night

When I googled it first few links are in relation to http://www.bigboyrules.com/, an American book on PMCs in Iraq. No I wasn't on the beer last night, great question though, very intelligent. Considering my post wasn't anyway related to the actual book he was talking about it's clear I was thinking of the wrong book perhaps?

Funfair · 15-02-2011 11:47pm

RMD I don't do mind reading..also why come back with the attitude when I was being nice to you..could have went to town on you for that cock up but decided to go easy on ya

RMD · 16-02-2011 12:34am

Funfair wrote: »

RMD I don't do mind reading..also why come back with the attitude when I was being nice to you..could have went to town on you for that cock up but decided to go easy on ya

I'd consider my reply just as nice as your original reply. I don't do mind reading either, so how am I supposed to know what book he's talking about when he didn't give the full title? Anyway let's leave this, it will only go off-topic.

folbotcar · 11-10-2014 2:05pm

With only six posts, isn't a bit early to be resurrecting an ancient thread so you can start trolling straight away?

laoch na mona · 15-10-2014 8:10pm

RMD wrote: »

Supposedly it's a load of biased crap, but that really depends on what side you view it from.

biased crap if you believe plain clothes soldiers shooting people who were unarmed is ok. If you do I'd hope your not in any army :eek:

Tenger · 18-10-2014 12:27pm

Dean0088 wrote: »

Just to clarify on the first guy to reply they wern't exactly invading... Plain clothes SAS guys ... not in full combat gear etc ... :P....

danbohan wrote: »

y......
terrible problems with the old map reading the sas .

punchdrunk wrote: »

the boarder isn't a nice big yellow line painted across the country...
it isn't just the SAS,alot of farmers in the area seem to get lost when it comes to nipping out for cigarettes and petrol

That pretty much sums it up. Multiple inadvertant crossing by Army foot patrols. However this was not an issue in South Armagh due to the "no-surface transport" regulation in the 1980's-90's.

Honest opinion wrote: »

As much as i Hate that the border exists there are obvious signs that it does eg Mile/kilometers road sign English/Irish words fair democratic state/unfair gerrymander sectarian majority:D

Not a lot of road signs among the rollings hill of Cullyhanna, Creggan and Forkhill! And I suspect an Army Surveillance/Intelligence Units in that area knew exactly where they were.

I myself proudly smuggling my bike across the border in 1986.... 8pm at night, Dad dropping my brother and me off on the way back from Keady. Told me to go up a road and turn left at the house with the red door. He drove through the checkpoint, let the Irish customs look into the car, 30 minute he met me in the agreed spot which was south of the border.

Morpheus · 21-10-2014 2:10pm

[MOD]MOVED to politics of war.

This thread is ancient. if anyone resurrects it after some of the crap ive had to clean up in it they will recieve infractions or bans. on the other hand if anyone wants to discuss political views, move to politics please this is not the place.

Finally if you wish to discuss operational details or tactics used by the SAS either in Ireland or other countries / domestically, please create a new thread. Anything "politically" motivated about the British or Irish armed forces or any of the terrorist groups involved on either side during the troubles can live elsewhere.[/MOD]

SAS Operating in Ireland (Republic of)

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